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great suggestions, I thought the same thing when i saw 2lbs of corn sugar in the recipe kit initially i thought they messed up, but looked at the paper directions and there it was .. hah glad to keep that for bottling anyhow. Also agree on the yeast to use. Thanks for your help!

looking at 5 gallon.. havent really done any 10 gallon stuff yet even though i have the carboys for it.. and an 8 gallon brewpot i guess i could.. no temp control and just the standard safale us-05 and lallemand diamond lager yeast

came up with this on my own anyhow.. will keep and steep the same grains.. 8oz cara munich dark grain 4oz cara red grain 6oz munich light grain Amber LME 6lb - 60min Amber DME 1lb - 60min Gold Malt LME 6lb - 15min 1LB Corn Sugar - 0min 1oz german northern brewer hops - 60min 1oz " " "...

So i bought these two 5 gallon ingredient kits when i first started out a few months ago from amazon. I have yet to use either of them and was just curious if anyone more experienced at this might see something i could make without using the directions and combining a few of the ingredients...