I have the Take the Black Stout as well as Fire and Blood.
I am also local to Hoppin' Frog Brewery, Great Lakes and couple other really good ones.
What are you looking to trade?
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I would cut the hops ~1/2 if your going to lighten the body. This is on the hoppy side for a Vienna lager and would be very hoppy on a lighter base. You should be fine to keep the speciality grains the same especially if your steeping, not mashing them.
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Hmm, yeah, i highly doubt that you got bad ingredients from AHS. I've ordered from them many times without issue.
Are you 100% sure the flavor you were getting was grass? Not vegetable, corn, buttery or apple?
Just trying to help narrow down the cause.
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I'd like to see how the WLP Bock yeast (833 I believe) would do in this beer....I've had nothing but bad results with the s-23.
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That's a bummer paulkantor! Only time I've heard of grassy flavors have been from bad hops or sometimes old malt.
How do you store your hops? If you don't already, put them in the freezer until you use them.
I saw that this was your first all grain attempt, how did the brew day go?
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Use 2 vials. I may of just used 1 vial, but error on the side of caution and pitch more. A big lager like this needs a lot of healthy yeast.
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