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Old 01-29-2011, 01:32 PM   #1
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Default European bottle capping question + yeast starter question

I've read some posts about european bottles having different sizes. I'm thinking lately to start capping glass bottles as I get so many Franziskaner bottles with all the cases I drink I figure why deal with more plastic bottles (which I do like) when I can simply clean and cap the Franziskaner bottles? So the question is, will they cap fine with the regular wing capper and caps and is there any specific size cap I need or something?

And for the yeast starter, I've read some people refrigerator it for a while for the yeast to drop so they can dump out the starter wort. Is that really necessary? Would a liter or two of starter wort of an impact on a 5 gallon batch?


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Old 01-29-2011, 02:53 PM   #2
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Should do. Tho am obviously working the other way round, my red capper seems to work ok even with imported SN bottles. As long as they are the 26mm (?) caps.



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. . . . I figure why deal with more plastic bottles (which I do like) when I can simply clean and cap the Franziskaner bottles? So the question is, will they cap fine with the regular wing capper and caps and is there any specific size cap I need or something? . . . . .
Plastic bottles, never used plastic bottles. I think the Franziskaner bottles are the regular size caps.

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. . . . And for the yeast starter, I've read some people refrigerator it for a while for the yeast to drop so they can dump out the starter wort. Is that really necessary? Would a liter or two of starter wort of an impact on a 5 gallon batch?
Not necessary, plus you will have less lag time if you pitch it while still fermenting.

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Just measured with my digital tape measure and yep, 26mm. So are the wing cappers pretty consistent? I was looking at various cappers online and the wing cappers still seem rated the highest even compared to bench cappers which a lot report breakage with.


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One more question... will an Oxyclean soak remove the gold foil on the bottles? Since it's foil I'd think it won't absorb the solution and would need to be scrubbed off. Boy I hope I won't have to scrub the foil off!


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One more question... will an Oxyclean soak remove the gold foil on the bottles? Since it's foil I'd think it won't absorb the solution and would need to be scrubbed off. Boy I hope I won't have to scrub the foil off!
Not sure about this, maybe scrape the foil off then soak them. Actually starsan seams to loosen stuff better than oxyclean if you have some.

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Just measured with my digital tape measure and yep, 26mm. So are the wing cappers pretty consistent? I was looking at various cappers online and the wing cappers still seem rated the highest even compared to bench cappers which a lot report breakage with.
Wing cappers work for us because we only cap a sixer or two from a batch, we have 3 but we end up using the old metal wing capper because it's more solid (Not sure you can buy them anymore). You have to be carefull with any capper because you can break a bottle whatever you use.
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The foil is definitely a PITA. In my experience, the Oxyclean will loosen it but you'll still have some scrubing to do.

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One more question... will an Oxyclean soak remove the gold foil on the bottles? Since it's foil I'd think it won't absorb the solution and would need to be scrubbed off. Boy I hope I won't have to scrub the foil off!.
Just wanted to update here... SUCCESS!! I've put 4 Franziskaner bottles in a hot water with Oxyclean soak for a few hours and not only were all the labels already off and floating in the water, but they all had the foil peeling off substantially. When I took them out all but one I was able to simply peel away the foil. The other one I got off 95% of the foil and simply scrubbed the rest off with a plastic brillo style pad, no problem there at all.

Now, I don't know if it was the Oxyclean or just simply sitting in hot water, so I now have 6 more bottles sitting in the now -not so hot- solution and will see if the results are the same or if less peel off. If less peel off then I will just do a hot water soak.

Either way, I'm psyched! Buying 500ml bottles from Northernbrewer for example would cost $1.37 each, which is quite expensive. And considering I drink sooo much Franziskaner I always have a large supply of bottles I'm putting in the recyle bin. I know the family will definitely like the extra room in the recycling bin


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LOL I've found buying bottles costs as much as buying beer. Even with good beer, it's like the beer is a bonus.

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And for the yeast starter, I've read some people refrigerator it for a while for the yeast to drop so they can dump out the starter wort. Is that really necessary? Would a liter or two of starter wort of an impact on a 5 gallon batch?
Pretty much two schools of thought: Pitch the starter at full krausen or wait until it's done, refrig, decant, swirl and pitch a slurry.

The starter wort is unhopped and very neutral (extra light or light DME), so it won't make a difference in your beer's flavor.

If you are a few days out from brewing, I would make a starter and do the fridge and decant method. If you're brewing sooner, time it so you pitch the starter at full krausen.


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