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Old 02-28-2013, 11:44 PM   #11
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Probably because he's been in on many previous discussions of the same topic that keeps getting rehashed with no new information.

Would you rather he said "learn to use the search function" like is common on other forums?
I do understand your point, But maybe to the person posting that's a bit harsh. And is it the fault of the new forum member not to follow the past posts of old? I understand the search function but if the guy is new then shouldn't we be helpful and not brisk.
Lastly, If someone is frustrated with information being brought up over again maybe not commenting is the right way to go.

Please don't get me wrong guys, I'm not trying to be persnickety or argumentative, I just had someone be kind of short with me once when I was brand-new on a forum and it seemed a little unfriendly...
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:45 PM   #12
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I apologize for my snippiness. I just know the Anti-Glass Nazis are going to be coming for me. It's making me irritable.
Lol... That was good Lincoln...
I know a few of those guys too, There goose-stepping towards us... Hahaha
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Old 03-01-2013, 12:05 AM   #13
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I've never used a better bottle...I'm just a glass man at heart. I've got Pyrex carboys that are probably older than many members.

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Old 03-01-2013, 12:27 AM   #14
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In most carboys it is the closure/airlock that causes problems in long term storage. (PETE carboys)

Better Bottles with their particular closure, as well as a glass carboy with a suitable (similar) closure are both good for long term storage.

From an old post ...
Common silicone or PVC stoppers are really not suitable for long term storage and are notorious for allowing in oxygen long term. As well, any closure using liquid over the long haul will gradually leach oxygen thru the liquid in the airlock.

The best against oxygen infiltration are something like the closure products from Better Bottles. Other things that work well are natural rubber stoppers or carboy-caps ... although with natural rubber, very old ones will eventually dry out.
The old, stinky black or red neoprene stoppers are also decent against oxygen infiltration ... it just the odor potentially getting into your product that seems to be a downside.


One other potential downside for glass carboys is that they are subject to micro-cracking from rough handling, crappy manufacturing, and also from significant freeze/thaw cycles. For instance, glass carboys kept long term in a garage where the winter temps get below -0* winter and +90* summer could potentially introduce structural problems. While this does not *necessarily* mean that you will have increased oxygen infiltration or a carboy failure (you pick it up full of liquid one day and it falls apart) ... it is still something to keep in mind. Particularly if you buy carboys used.

A downside for Better Bottles carboy? ... although the BB carboy is manufactured to have much less oxygen infiltration than other PETE carboys, I believe that just as with wine bottles; a new, well manufactured solid glass carboy with a proper closure will prevent undesirable oxygen infiltration better than the plastic BB carboy will, long term ... but I am talking about very long term storage ... 3 or 5 years plus. And when you are storing something that long there are a whole host of other factors that one needs to be on top of to improve the likelihood of successful long term storage.

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I've got 12 better bottles and 8 glass carboys and have used both for many years. I prefer the BBs for reasons that you can easily find with the search function, so I wont repeat here - but people keep giving me their old glass carboys and I've held on to a few of the nicer ones.

I will add this: I know dozens of brewers and have seen quite a few switch from glass to BBs, but never the other way around. Check your local craigslist. Old glass carboys can be found a dime a dozen. I doubt you'll find anyone selling a BB. There is a reason for this.

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I like the BB beacause they are much lighter to move around. The one thing that has me curious is I let my dirty BB's sit outside at times for a week soaking in Oxy Clean. Will the sun eventually weaken the plastic?

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Wow, convincing argument.

But as Triumph the insult comic dog would say
"Better bottles are nice.... FOR ME TO POOP ON"!

I'm sticking with glass.

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I like the BB beacause they are much lighter to move around. The one thing that has me curious is I let my dirty BB's sit outside at times for a week soaking in Oxy Clean. Will the sun eventually weaken the plastic?
I would bet "Yes"
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I have both. If I was starting over I would only have BB, mainly because the are light and easy to move around and I don't have to worry about breaking them.

Actually, it I was starting over, I probably would have nothing but buckets...

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i almost strictly use buckets. my 1 carboy is a better bottle. reason? because when i rack the few types i rack, i've sometimes had a few, and i've never dropped and broke a bb, then cut myself on it. never cut myself on a glass carboy, either, but would be much easier, and i have dropped a couple of them...

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