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Old 09-08-2007, 08:28 PM   #11
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Heather, spruce tips, rosemary...

and yet we give the lemon and lime the snob treatment.


Just throwing that out there.
The former are traditional ways of brewing when hops are scarce or unknown.

The latter are primarily used to mask the flavor of cheaply made beer.

Just sayin'...
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Old 09-08-2007, 08:34 PM   #12
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They balance an unbalanced cheaply made beer in need of a mask.

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Old 09-08-2007, 08:44 PM   #13
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So what do you think.....

Toss a couple sprigs of rosemary in a Corona?

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Old 12-03-2007, 04:07 PM   #14
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What about that beer that Dogfish Head makes, the one that's supposedly based on a recipe from thousands of years ago? Is that Midas Touch, am I thinking of the right one? I haven't tried that, but I'm pretty sure it's hop-free.
I've had Midas Touch and read the BYO article about it. While there is very little hops flavor and aroma there is some used by Dogfish Head for bitterness and to make it more like beer for commercialization.
I've also had a Scottish Heather ale that was similar in that the hops was very restrained.
Both were good beers that I enjoyed. However they were not completely free of hops but the malty sweetness was dominate.
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:11 PM   #15
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Buds from elderberry bushes can be used for bittering. They have a nice and unique aroma. Use the big spear-shaped buds and crush them a little first before putting them into the boil.

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Buds from elderberry bushes can be used for bittering. They have a nice and unique aroma. Use the big spear-shaped buds and crush them a little first before putting them into the boil.
Is this similar to elderflowers which are sold by most wine making shops?
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:28 PM   #17
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What about that beer that Dogfish Head makes, the one that's supposedly based on a recipe from thousands of years ago? Is that Midas Touch, am I thinking of the right one? I haven't tried that, but I'm pretty sure it's hop-free.
I believe you're thinking of
Chateau Jiahu
In keeping with historic evidence, Dogfish brewers used pre-gelatinized rice flakes, Wildflower honey, Muscat grapes, barley malt, hawthorn fruit, and Chrysanthemum flowers. The rice and barley malt were added together to make the mash for starch conversion and degredation. The resulting sweet wort was then run into the kettle. The honey, grapes, Hawthorn fruit, and Chrysanthemum flowers were then added. The entire mixture was boiled for 45 minutes, then cooled. The resulting sweet liquid was pitched with a fresh culture of Sake yeast and allowed to ferment a month before the transfer into a chilled secondary tank.

It is available here in WA but I have yet to try it.
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:41 PM   #18
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I believe you're thinking of
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In keeping with historic evidence, Dogfish brewers used pre-gelatinized rice flakes, Wildflower honey, Muscat grapes, barley malt, hawthorn fruit, and Chrysanthemum flowers. The rice and barley malt were added together to make the mash for starch conversion and degredation. The resulting sweet wort was then run into the kettle. The honey, grapes, Hawthorn fruit, and Chrysanthemum flowers were then added. The entire mixture was boiled for 45 minutes, then cooled. The resulting sweet liquid was pitched with a fresh culture of Sake yeast and allowed to ferment a month before the transfer into a chilled secondary tank.

It is available here in WA but I have yet to try it.
Just had it the other night, fairly interesting but not impressive.

Berliner Weisse and Flanders Red/Oud Bruin both use very little hops.
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Is this similar to elderflowers which are sold by most wine making shops?
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Sorry, I don't know. I would imagine that the flowers are similar to hop cones in their structure, so maybe the flowers do work.

There's a Scottish brewery that makes ales in the tradition of ancient methods (sometimes with no hops) and they have a delicious elderberry black ale.
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:42 PM   #20
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i had a homebrew without hops last night. while it was interesting...i won't be searching out more. my brother said that he had used unhopped beer to cook with and that it worked very well for that, i want hops in my beer...a little or a lot, but give me hops.

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