Spike Brewing 12.5 Conical Fermenter Giveaway!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Equipment/Sanitation > Brewering Rig concept - single tier with 1 march pump

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-11-2007, 12:51 PM   #1
Rhino17
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 81
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default Brewering Rig concept - single tier with 1 march pump

So, now that I have acquired my 3 sankey kegs, it's time to get serious about building a functional rig. For various reasons, I would like to keep it as a single tier. I batch sparge. Maybe one day I will move to RIMS or HERMS, but for now, I'm working with the KISS principle.

I see a lot of people with single tier systems using 2 pumps, or using lots of quick disconnects. But, is there any reason why it couldn't be hard plumbed?

1tier.jpg

The green lines are input into the march pump, and the red are output. From left to right we have HLT, MLT, and Kettle. On either side of the March pump would be 3-way stainless ball valves.

So, any ideas? Do you see any problems with this design?

Cheers,

Rhino

__________________
Rhino17 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 01:47 PM   #2
Lil' Sparky
Cowboys EAC
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Lil' Sparky's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 4,013
Liked 49 Times on 32 Posts

Default

I really like your plan and the idea of 3-way valves! I haven't seen that before.

You could still use soft tubing with that design if you didn't want the added expense and hassle of hard plumbing.

__________________
Lil' Sparky is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 02:29 PM   #3
Ryan_PA
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Philly, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,913
Liked 7 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Where were you planning on sourcing the ball valves?

__________________
Ryan_PA is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 02:45 PM   #4
jdoiv
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
jdoiv's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 1,149
Default

If you are hard plumbing it, how will you remove the kettles for cleaning? I think most people use the hoses and qd's to make cleaning easier. Pumping cleaner, rinse water and sanitizer through all those lines could become a pain. Then again, if you have a plan to move the soap from one kettle to another using the pumps, it may actually be easier so long as you don't forget a step along the way. Just a thought.

__________________
Drinking on the keg: BPA, Brown Ale, Dry Mead, Wee Heavy aged on Oak, CAP
Drinking in the Bottle:
Conditioning:
Fermenting:
Planning:
jdoiv is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 02:47 PM   #5
Rhino17
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 81
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Haven't found a confirmed source yet (IE: a company that will sell direct to me).
But I do know that they exist, as they are sold by S&K automation .

If worst comes to worst, you could always use 2 ball valves with some sort of y-adapter, but obviously the 3-ways would be prefered.

__________________
Rhino17 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 02:49 PM   #6
Ryan_PA
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Philly, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,913
Liked 7 Times on 5 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

If 2 more valves help you get the minimum order (if one is needed) let me know, I would like to get a set.

__________________
Ryan_PA is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 04:04 PM   #7
Bobby_M
Vendor and Brewer
HBT_SPONSOR.png
Vendor Ads 
Feedback Score: 2 reviews
 
Bobby_M's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Whitehouse Station, NJ
Posts: 21,901
Liked 939 Times on 625 Posts
Likes Given: 28

Default

I like the idea, but I'd have to say that it's not THAT much simpler than using QD's.

First there's an issue of cost. Two male and 4 female QDs would be a lot less money than $180 for two 3-way ball valves: http://www.valvestore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=67408

A lot of us also want to pump out of the BK through a chiller so you'd need to splice in a TEE just prior to the pump for that and then you'd need to do the same on the output. You can quickly see how a bunch of QD's make it totally flexible. Where do you want liquid to come from and where do you want it to go to? Plug and play.

You COULD go with brass valves to bring the cost down and if you really need 4-ways like I've described, you can use two valves on the input and two on the output essentially selecting between three sources. It would require deliberate positioning of 4 valves for any one operation. Not so "KISS" anymore.

Along these lines, does anyone use female QD's as the ONLY way of stopping liquid flow out of a vessel? Traditionally you'd go bulkhead, ballvalve, then QD but I wonder what the failure rate of the QD is.

__________________
BrewHardware.com
Sightglass, Refractometer, Ball Valve, Weldless bulkhead, Thermometer, Decals, Stainless Steel Fittings, Compression Fittings, Camlock Quick Disconnects, Scale, RIMS tube, Plate Chiller, Chugger Pump, Super Clear Silicone Tubing, and more!

New Stuff?

Last edited by Bobby_M; 07-11-2007 at 04:09 PM.
Bobby_M is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-11-2007, 05:22 PM   #8
AGBrewer
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
AGBrewer's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 421
Liked 4 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Bobby makes some good points, one thing to add is that 2 position ball valves are always open to one path. So you will always have either hot water or mash water sitting against the input of your march pump, etc

__________________
AGBrewer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-02-2012, 03:06 PM   #9
mcbruwer
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1
Default Valves

Hey Rhino, going through a build process right now in Ontario Canada. Did you ever find a source for your stainless valves up here? seems complicated to find the parts without paying an arm and a leg for them.

We are building a 3 keg herms setup with all stainless coil and connections with 1/2" everywhere to ensure no reduction in flow.

__________________
mcbruwer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Critique my single tier pump plan Bobby_M Equipment/Sanitation 140 11-08-2011 12:04 AM
Mounting March 809 to single tier Smooz1 Equipment/Sanitation 5 10-13-2009 01:42 PM
How to Batch Sparge with one pump & single tier Brewme All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 12 05-28-2009 01:37 PM
pump for single tier android Equipment/Sanitation 15 04-05-2009 06:22 PM
Fly sparging with one pump, single tier? aekdbbop Equipment/Sanitation 10 10-16-2008 06:42 AM