You Wanna Read Some Serious Anti-Beer Propaganda?

[Buford]

The chemistry part is just retarded. Sure, humulone has a similar emperical formula to cannabinol, but that's like saying hydrogen peroxide is the same thing as water because there's only one number different in the formula. And that's not even taking into account how complicated (and different) organic compounds can be besides the empirical formula. Chemistry FAIL.

 

[Baldy_Beer_Brewery]

You Wanna Read Some Serious Anti-Beer Propaganda?

Not usually what I come to HBT for.

 

[Evan!]

The chemistry part is just retarded. Sure, humulone has a similar emperical formula to cannabinol, but that's like saying hydrogen peroxide is the same thing as water because there's only one number different in the formula. And that's not even taking into account how complicated (and different) organic compounds can be besides the empirical formula. Chemistry FAIL.

Reminds me of this post that I saw the other day. Awesome.

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

Reminds me of this post that I saw the other day. Awesome.

I am getting nothing on that link there Evan!

EDIT: Gotta copy/paste the link and fix where "s-h-i-t" has been censored.

 

[flyangler18]

I am getting nothing on that link there Evan!

The S*H*I*T gets censored out; check the URL.

 

[Evan!]

sorry, I missed that...stupid puritanical HBT filter. I feel like I'm in Utah. ANYway, here's a new linky.

 

[tomwirsing]

I know quite a few Catholics, and they do have quite a remarkable about enjoying the products of fermentation.

If everyone in this country were Catholic:

Prohibition never would have occurred

No one would ever have to endure the misery of a cash bar at a wedding, or worse, a dry wedding

All wakes and funerals would be as much fun as they're supposed to be, celebrating the memory of the deceased

Any other suggestions?

 

[farmbrewernw]

I love how they use chemical formulas and say that since they are similar they must be the same thing, anyone with half a brain knows that if you change even one atom in a organic chemical formula you usually get something completely different.

 

[Evan!]

I love how they use chemical formulas and say that since they are similar they must be the same thing, anyone with half a brain knows that if you change even one atom in a organic chemical formula you usually get something completely different.

see my link above!

 

[david_42]

And we all remember when Jesus changed the wine into water.

 

[Otis The Drunk]

funny how they just pick out passages in the bible that suit their purpose...... I guess they for got to read Proverbs 31.

Proverbs 31 verses 4-7 (New International Version)

4 "It is not for kings, O Lemuel—
not for kings to drink wine,
not for rulers to crave beer,

5 lest they drink and forget what the law decrees,
and deprive all the oppressed of their rights.

6 Give beer to those who are perishing,
wine to those who are in anguish;

7 let them drink and forget their poverty
and remember their misery no more.

My Mom was ordained as a minister through the Assembly of God Church.

 

[chefchris]

Surely everyone knows that you cannot take something typed out in Comics Sans Serif to be fact.

 

[Pogo]

Ok, guys and gals,

I couldn't read but the first page of the provided link in the OP of this thread.

As a Christian who was drawn into wine making by the local laws of my DRY county, let me urge everyone, Christian or not, to become as knowledgeable as you possibly can on this subject!

Then...hopefully...when you run across a Bible thumper spewing error, you can stuff their errors down their throats!

The internet is a wonderful source for the ammunition needed to kill these lies DEAD.

America's Temperance Movement of the early 1800's was killed...DEAD...by the truth!

Most of the error being followed by the churches today is supported by the work of a man named named Patton during the 1800's.

PLEASE take the time to study the link contained in the quote below, which is taking issue, and exposing the fraud being perpetrated by Patton's book...

"Patton did not seem to be aware that both articles had been thoroughly discredited in 1841 by Rev. John McLean in the April (http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/tex ... f4325.1-13 .002) and October (http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/tex ... f4325.1-13 .004) issues of the Princeton Review [2]. McLean was a professor of ancient languages at the College of New Jersey. Patton presents quotes that Parsons and Grindrod took from authors such as Pliny, Columella, Aristotle, and others who lived contemporarily with the Apostles or earlier. McLean shows that some of these quotes were taken out of context, and that these ancient authors actually provide ample proof that the Two Wine Theory is false."

Thanks,

Pogo

 

[monty67]

Hah! This kinda crap cracks me up. Especially the stuff at the end with the bible quotes :rockin:. My father was a minister and i lived with him while he was going to seminary school before getting ordained and after while he was preaching, now he's retired. The funniest part about this is that if these people believe this stuff they must be pretty pissed that Jesus turned water into wine. Back in the day wine was safer than a lot of the sources of water and on top of that not too many people like to be around a beiligerent drunk, i'm told that on the rare occasion anyway. Instead of picking and choosing lines look at the whole story and see what it's telling you before you condemn the rest of us to hell or where ever. For me i take the lessons to mean drink, but in moderation, still good advice, i think it's up to each to decide what moderation is for themselves. Hey as long as your not harming anyone have a beer. Maybe that's why the Puritans were 'encouraged' to leave Europe. Cheers.

 

[Pelikan]

Maybe that's why the Puritans were 'encouraged' to leave Europe. Cheers.

Nah, the Puritans left Europe because the water was evil. They only drink rain and pure grain alcohol. Precious bodily fluids....

...where's General Ripper when you need him?

 

[goodbyebluesky82]

Hah! This kinda crap cracks me up. Especially the stuff at the end with the bible quotes :rockin:. My father was a minister and i lived with him while he was going to seminary school before getting ordained and after while he was preaching, now he's retired. The funniest part about this is that if these people believe this stuff they must be pretty pissed that Jesus turned water into wine. Back in the day wine was safer than a lot of the sources of water and on top of that not too many people like to be around a beiligerent drunk, i'm told that on the rare occasion anyway. Instead of picking and choosing lines look at the whole story and see what it's telling you before you condemn the rest of us to hell or where ever. For me i take the lessons to mean drink, but in moderation, still good advice, i think it's up to each to decide what moderation is for themselves. Hey as long as your not harming anyone have a beer. Maybe that's why the Puritans were 'encouraged' to leave Europe. Cheers.

Dude, the Puritans BREWED their own beer, though they never actually called themselves Puritans at the time when many came to the New Land.

Funny how all American baptists one way or the other trace their lineage back to these guys. Guess everyone was a winebibber and a sinner until pasteurization was invented, :whew: Thank God for Louis Pasteur and eventually Sam Welch with his "pure" grape juice.

 

[bernerbrau]

but the average guy who shares some brew with his neighbor is in no way in violation of this verse unless he was using it to sexually violate said neighbor.

Why would they, when roofies work so much better?

 

[Coastarine]

I know you guys say never dump it...but...is my soul ruined?

 

[Deacon240]

So dont most bible thumpers not believe in science, yet they use science to try and prove beer is bad?

The active principle in hops is a fine, yellow resinous powder called "lupulin" which is always classified as a narcotic because it will dull the sense in moderate doses and cause stupor or coma in larger amounts.

Yeah... because of the chemical difference hops dont have the same effect as pot. When smoked hops have a similar but more minor and calming effect (and seriously, who goes and smokes hops for a 'high'? The effects dont come out in beer). Don't compare hops to pot, same family, different beast.

 

[jonp9576]

i love this comparison

One of these, "humulone", has the following chemical formula: C21H30O5. "Cannabinol", the active principle of marijuana, has the chemical formula.of C21H26O2.

so this means that we can carb our beer with carbon monoxide since CO2 is nearly the same as CO right?

 

[Homercidal]

Oh, crap, I just drank a bottle of barleywine! I'M GONNA DIE AND GO TO HELL!!

 

[Pelikan]

So dont most bible thumpers not believe in science, yet they use science to try and prove beer is bad?

Yeah... because of the chemical difference hops dont have the same effect as pot. When smoked hops have a similar but more minor and calming effect (and seriously, who goes and smokes hops for a 'high'? The effects dont come out in beer). Don't compare hops to pot, same family, different beast.

Not to defend that article (I'd never do that), but the psychoactive component of hops does come through into beer. As you've mentioned, the effects are mild, and generally overshadowed by the alcohol. But beer does tend to give a different buzz when compared to a similar quantity of straight booze or wine, at least from my perspective. Nothing dramatic, though. Similar to the difference between Absinthe and Vodka, for example, or Tequila and Whiskey.

There's really nothing wrong with cannabis anyhow (again, in my option). If it were legal, I'd be making a "Reefer Barleywine" on a regular basis. The guy that wrote the article would probably have a nervous meltdown if that were the case. I can see the write-up now, "Double the Trouble???"

 

[burns629]

I love how they use chemical formulas and say that since they are similar they must be the same thing, anyone with half a brain knows that if you change even one atom in a organic chemical formula you usually get something completely different.

Exactly theres a huge difference between water (H2O) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) but the chemical formula is "pretty close". What a ******* that dude is. It does however show the intelligence of the person who wrote it.


That article just made me laugh!

 

[DeathBrewer]

So who will be the first to claim this graphic as their avatar?

Only if you add a speech bubble so the skull is saying "BEER HAS EVERYTHING???"

yeah. i'm down.

 

[Brewsmith]

Why don't more people just write these kinds of people off as ignorant morons instead of "Christians" As a Christian, this kind of stuff really bothers me. There are stupid, ignorant people everywhere in every culture and religion and more of them should be ignored rather than listened to.

A love how most of the "chemicals" railed against are naturally occouring in all kinds of different foods and are beneficial in normal amounts. Just about everything is harmful in extreme doses.

After this we should start worrying about Dihydrogen Monoxide!

 

[bernerbrau]

Oh, man, DHMO. You gotta be careful with that stuff. People have inhaled it and died instantly. It can also cause serious burns on the skin.

 

[DeathBrewer]

Why don't more people just write these kinds of people off as ignorant morons instead of "Christians" As a Christian, this kind of stuff really bothers me. There are stupid, ignorant people everywhere in every culture and religion and more of them should be ignored rather than listened to.

because it's a christian propoganda website. i could call them "ignorant christian morons" if that helps. the reason for their propoganda is because of their religious views, so that's what i would be pointing at.

i also understand that they don't represent the whole of christianity

 

[Wrathbone]

Is it against forum rules for me to post the WHOIS results on this website?

 

[DeathBrewer]

why would you anyway? it's some dude that lives in new york. no big whoop.

 

[Wrathbone]

Just in case someone wanted to send an email discrediting all the claims on that page.

Of course, it's probably pointless. He appears to be too far gone.