Wow, didn't expect to see that safety label on my new Perlick faucet boxes

[tshinefield]

Some people try to take all the fun out of drinking beer...

 

[PhelanKA7]

Well that can't be good...

 

[Tinhorn]

Its probally fine since you arent in California? That is kinda of a crazy warning tho .. what is it intended for gasoline?

 

[JerTheRipper]

If it contains brass, then they add lead to make it easier to work with. I bet that any brass pipes or fittings have the same warning in CA. You'd probably die of cirrhosis before cancer with the amount of beer you'd have to drink for it to even matter.

 

[Bensiff]

My money says that CA finally got tired of dealing with John Sokolove in their courts so they put out a rule that says everything sold in CA needs a "may cause cancer" sticker

 

[jhoyda]

My plumbing supply rep just informed me that starting in 2014 ALL plumbing components that touch potable water will be subject to California's law. In other words it is becoming national law. Expect brass and bronze components to increase by 20%+. People found out of compliance are subject to heavy fines. Great isn't it? How many people have been dropping dead due to lead poisoning lately?

 

[JRems]

My plumbing supply rep just informed me that starting in 2014 ALL plumbing components that touch potable water will be subject to California's law. In other words it is becoming national law. Expect brass and bronze components to increase by 20%+. People found out of compliance are subject to heavy fines. Great isn't it? How many people have been dropping dead due to lead poisoning lately?

Nah, don't be worried. They will still sell the same old brass, just with new labels "not for potable water"

 

[MalFet]

How many people have been dropping dead due to lead poisoning lately?

About 143,000 per year, according to the WHO.

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GlobalHealthRisks_report_full.pdf

 

[thargrav]

My money says that CA finally got tired of dealing with John Sokolove in their courts so they put out a rule that says everything sold in CA needs a "may cause cancer" sticker

I woudn't be suprised if the hospital maternity wards in California had signs that read "Warning, Life may cause Cancer".

 

[thargrav]

About 143,000 per year, according to the WHO.

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GlobalHealthRisks_report_full.pdf

That's a world wide number, and mostly in countries that don't attempt to control lead.

 

[mccumath]

That's a world wide number, and mostly in countries that don't attempt to control lead.

Hey, someone asked, he just provided the facts...

 

[thargrav]

I'm not bashing, just pointing out that it's a world wide number. This country does a good job of limiting lead exposure but I believe California goes to the extreme.

 

[MalFet]

That's a world wide number, and mostly in countries that don't attempt to control lead.

You mean countries that don't do things like prohibit the use of lead-treated piping for drinking water?

 

[jpalarchio]

I remember seeing that warning on some glasses I was looking at on the Stone website. That's what you really want to see in a product description...

Apparently everything in California causes cancer; fortunately I'm in frigid Michigan.

http://stonecompanystore.com/store/product/622/IRS-Specialty-Glass/

 

[Huaco]

I was in Cali this time last year. They have warning labels on EVERY FREAKING THING in that state! You can't go into a restaurant without being accosted by warning signs! I mean, I honestly think I saw signs that warned people that the food they are consuming will be against their religion!

 

[jhoyda]

About 143,000 per year, according to the WHO.

http://www.who.int/healthinfo/global_burden_disease/GlobalHealthRisks_report_full.pdf

From your linked report:

Overall, 98% of adults and 99% of children affected by exposure to lead live in low- and middle-income countries.

The US is definitely not a low or middle-income country. While I can understand the enjoyment someone may yield from proving another wrong; it is imperative that A) your supporting facts are correct and applicable B) the original question was not rhetorical. Unfortunately, you did not fulfill either.

 

[jhoyda]

Nah, don't be worried. They will still sell the same old brass, just with new labels "not for potable water"

My rep said probably not when I mentioned it doesn't affect us since we deal primarily with steam. She said that it wouldn't be feasible for many companies to make a leaded and lead-free version, they will only offer the lead-free version. The last 2" rising stem valves I bought were already $750 a piece, now tack on another 20%.

 

[MalFet]

From your linked report:

The US is definitely not a low or middle-income country. While I can understand the enjoyment someone may yield from proving another wrong; it is imperative that A) your supporting facts are correct and applicable B) the original question was not rhetorical. Unfortunately, you did not fulfill either.

You're welcome to disagree, of course, but there's no need to belittle my intent as simple one-upsmanship.

You are correct: there is relatively little lead poisoning in first-world countries. Perhaps that has something to do with laws on things like lead-content in drinking water systems. In other words, pointing out that the deaths are predominantly from places without environmental protections on lead doesn't refute my point; it is my point.

 

[jhoyda]

You're welcome to disagree, of course, but there's no need to belittle my intent as simple one-upsmanship.

Indulge me then, what was your point in providing an un-related fact?

 

[MalFet]

Indulge me then, what was your point in providing an un-related fact?

Around the world, many people are killed by environmental lead. In places with relatively more stringent regulations, far, far fewer people are killed by environmental lead. Therefore, to answer your other (probably also intended as rhetorical) question: yes, it is great that potable water systems are subject to stringent requirements on lead-content.

 

[patthebrewer]

Despite the WHO's number about lead poisioning deaths, I'm sure there are a great many time more than that who are completely unaware there lead levels are significantly elevated. They will have children born with birth defects, as well as suffer neurological damage. Personally I would be cautious about using and brass or chromeplated brass for anything that will have food contact. The good news is you CAN buy lead free brass, and chrome.

 

[mpcluever]

Ironically, there's still lead in "lead-free" brass. From wikipedia: "On January 1, 2010, the maximum amount of lead in "lead-free brass" in California was reduced from 4% to 0.25% lead."

 

[JRems]

It's funny they are worried about small brass parts containing a miniscule amount of lead, even when there are still plenty of building and houses with solid lead pipes.

 

[processhead]

Not to worry, since you live in CO, and its only a known carcinogen in CA.

Unless I am mistaken, WHO statistics refer to lead poisoning from lead ingested from all sources.

Statisticly, most lead poisoning occurs through lead ingested via airborne sources like lead based paint dust.

Still worried about beer dispensed from your Perlick faucets?

Pitch the first couple of ounces of beer you dispense before filling your glass.

 

[liquiditynerd]

EPA has been increasing their programs to combat lead poisoning and they're getting into everything. As of last year I am a lead based paint certified firm as well as a lead inspector and risk assessor. Since I deal with historic architecture it was worth the training. EPA has a mandate that requires pre-1960 housing be inspected prior to federal funding. Look up the symptoms to lead poisoning, sounds like today at work doesn't it?

Home depot sells check kits, I'd recommend it if your house is pre 1960. I'll be happy to tell you where to look for common hot spots.

We will start to see stickers and signs everywhere! it will be good to for people to become aware of how toxic an environment can be.

 

[pjj2ba]

I always got a chuckle out of those stickers when we lived in CA. I tended to interpret them more along the lines of, "Well the State of California knows this, but the rest of the people are just clueless and don't know this" (spoken in a smug manner)

 

[processhead]

It never ends...

The other day I purchased this pump with the idea of building a keg washer...

You guessed it, the exact same CA message was printed on the box.

And this was for a pump that was originally used in drinking water coolers!

 

[Spartan1979]

The simple solution is to buy the stainless steel Perlicks.

 

[Huaco]

The simple solution is to buy the stainless steel Perlicks.

No Cali-lead-Cops are going to get me for Lead Abuse... I have two Stainless Perlicks en-route to me right now! Should be here tomorrow!

 

[processhead]

The simple solution is to buy the stainless steel Perlicks.

...Assuming there is actually a problem...