Worst bar experience ever! (Greenville, SC)

[robtotten]

I wouldn't show my face there again if I were you. There's absolutely no excuse for throwing a glass like that. It sounds like the bartender was an *******, but that doesn't come close to justifying your response.

I've got an appointment to talk to Josh, the owner. I'll update afterward, but I have not given up. I will be going back after this is resolved.

 

[robtotten]

Just out of curiosity - How old was the bartender? How old are you, OP?

 

[Frankfurtvr4]

I have several friends who have come back from fighting the war in the middle east, and a good deal of them (those who have seen combat) are on edge atleast some of the time... So if this is the case, he has the right to have a shorter fuse than the rest of us.... And if you think otherwise, go witness war first hand and prove that you can remain totally normal afterwards.

I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.

 

[northernlad]

Obviously thats a tough situation. Were you wrong to break a glass? yes, although you admitted it was an overreaction. Personally I would have been pissed in that situation, too. I dont think the bartender had any right to say what he did to you. I had a bartender (off-duty) complain to me about a tip I gave to another employee on an earlier night once (i wasnt happy with the treatment so didnt tip her once), so i stopped going there. I didnt feel the need to explain anything to them. Now they dont get my 50% tip anymore.

Recently I went to Australia. It is not common practice to tip your server so imagine my satisfaction to leave a little extra to someone who truly appreciated it.
Servers, bartender, doormen, bellhops, baristas and the feckin mailman all take it for granted. If someone bitched at me regarding a tip, I''d have his job. End of report.

 

[DubbinFive1Eight]

I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.

I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.

Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...

 

[Frankfurtvr4]

I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.

Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...

I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you. And you, sir, don't have the right to disagree since you clearly don't know what war is like. That would be like me telling someone like you about AG brewing

Not being disrespectful to you... Not trying to be a tough guy... Not even my $.02..... Just fact.

We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.

 

[DubbinFive1Eight]

We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.

Fair enough then, to each their own.

lol and I don't think anyone was abused..

 

[jfr1111]

These would be excellent arguments against me if I was saying the managers did not have the authority to override the bouncer. Unfortunately I did not say this and can't for the life of me see why you think I said it.

And far from being dime-a-dozen, I think the bouncer would be the hardest person to replace in the whole restaurant. He would require a full criminal background check, a class, and a state-granted licence. No one else needed anything like that. And if they took your advice and just pulled someone off the street, they would probably get a massive fine (bad) and they would get their liquor license pulled (fatal). They can also get their liquor license pulled if they let drunk ******** who start fights in too often. And if their liquor license was pulled, it would actually be impossible to get it back. We were situated next to a college dorm, and a law came out after we opened that no new liquor licences would be issued to locations within 500 feet of a dorm, school, or church. As this blanketed the entire area, it would be impossible to open again in the city.

Seriously dude, people get thrown out of clubs for being pissy, too drunk or starting fights on a daily basis. Nobody loses their license for that, at least around here. Serving minors or seriously intoxicated people is what gets you. We had a bar that was told by the city council to stop selling wine and hard alcohol because there were too many damn fights in the place. It stayed open and sold gallon pitchers of beer. 15$, 4 liters of beer. The police was there once a week. It took a decade for them to finally lose their license for good. Also, there weren't ANY bouncers there. Not one.

Bouncers are like pro athletes: they never stay long at the same place and they just go through the bars/restaurants until they finally graduate from college or get tired of the job. Maybe not if they need a license and a clean criminal background, but up here, an employer can look at your criminal history but cannot refuse to hire you because of it unless having a criminal background means you are unfit for the job. This pretty much only applies to jobs where you either handle large sums of money and have been conficted of theft/robbery/embezzlement (such as a banker) or where you are in a position of authority (policeman, judge, etc.).

So yeah, bouncers are very expendable up here. There's a always a younger, bigger guy willing to take the job.

 

[shamrockdoc]

I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.

I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.

Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...

We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.

Wow this whole string of comments made me rage a little. Although there is a PTSD issue going on within our ranks it DOESN'T give you "I get to act like a ******* card". And another thing son I would watch how you pipe off about war and your experiences. Not trying to turn this into a "no **** there I was.." thread. We are not ticking time-bombs in need of special pats on the head a meds shoved down our throats. ON TOPIC. There are wolves and there are sheep. Should've used your words and pulled his punk card...mental victory is yours. Psywarops 101.

 

[TheCarnie]

Originally Posted by Frankfurtvr4 View Post
I think otherwise. Going on a deployment doesn't give you the right to be a ****** bag. So, he doesn't get to have a "shorter fuse" and at the very least should have learned some form for of discipline. If he has a legitimate issue there are programs available to help him deal with his anger issues.
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Originally Posted by DubbinFive1Eight View Post
I never said going to Iraq gave him the right to be a ''****** bag'', I said experiences over-seas can make it highly difficult (and sometimes impossible) to resume civilian life. Yes, there are medications and therapy which can help, but there are always pieces left with you.

Something about your profile tells me you'll find out soon enough...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frankfurtvr4 View Post
We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.

Uh, wow, is this gonna turn into a "My drill instructor is harder than yours" argument?
Crap like this is why I can't mention being a vet to anyone. Once again i should have omitted that part here. I don't think i have ever pulled the "I'm a veteran, you can't do that/say that to me" card.

Anyways, thanks for your opinions everyone, good, bad, and absurd.

 

[Frankfurtvr4]

Uh, wow, is this gonna turn into a "My drill instructor is harder than yours" argument?
Crap like this is why I can't mention being a vet to anyone. Once again i should have omitted that part here. I don't think i have ever pulled the "I'm a veteran, you can't do that/say that to me" card.

Anyways, thanks for your opinions everyone, good, bad, and absurd.

No, it is a you should know how to act like an adult thread.

 

[DubbinFive1Eight]

Agreed you say that "Vet" word and people look at you like you're at any moment gonna start crackin' heads and pull your secondary weapon and start jerkin' rounds into people.

lol I thought this wasn't ''that'' thread? Off topic and such..?

 

[shamrockdoc]

lol I thought this wasn't ''that'' thread? Off topic and such..?

Agreed I didn't follow my own advice deleted and I give a pic of Awesome Puppy who can't spell.

 

[DubbinFive1Eight]

Phenominal substitute lol

 

[scrambledegg81]

Gents: enough playing the "my military experience was more horrifying than yours" cards already. If you want to talk about experiences, you're more than welcome to PM me about my EMT career in a major metropolitan city for 4 years. Here ain't the place.

Now then!

OP is asking if his actions were nothing but a simple misunderstanding or a major social faux pas. I agree that, while bartenders are forced to deal with a lot of crap which they realistically shouldn't have to, it's up to the person behind the bar to both A) know their product, B) know their clientele, and C) market those products to the right client(s). In this case, the bartender was obviously put off by OP's lack of, shall we say, speediness in ordering. There's absolutely no reason for him to go off on a paying customer, especially one who, up to that point, had frequented the bar several times.

 

[Frankfurtvr4]

Gents: enough playing the "my military experience was more horrifying than yours" cards already. If you want to talk about experiences, you're more than welcome to PM me about my EMT career in a major metropolitan city for 4 years. Here ain't the place.

Maybe I am missing something here. The only person that made this an issue of the OP being a ****** bag because he deployed is someone that is not in the military. Please go back and quote something other than a response to that outside looking in thinking.

If this is what you are talking about go back and read the post that it is in response to.

We will go back to your pre-edit post. This is my 5th deployment, I still say it doesn't give anyone the right to abuse civilians when they return.

I don't think anyone here has said anything about what their service entailed or the extent of what combat they may or may not have experienced. My arguement since this started has been one of general ******-baggery of the OP. I don't care if he is a 30 year vet or works for the TSA it still doesn't make his piss poor behavior anymore acceptable.

Defend him all you want, there are standards of acceptable behavior in any culture. In just about every case I can think of if I had witness such a childish display I would have thought, "Wow, what a ****** bag."

 

[bknifefight]

Frankfurtvr4 wins.

 

[robtotten]

I have several friends who have come back from dropping acid and going to see Avatar in 3d and a good deal of them (those who have seen tracers) are on edge atleast some of the time... So if this is the case, he has the right to have a shorter fuse than the rest of us. Don't do drugs, kids!

 

[shamrockdoc]

Frankfurtvr4 wins.

Whoops +1

 

[malkore]

Bartender:You complain about that every time, we have the best beers in greenville!

Ok, did he say this in displeasure, or was he just giving you a little ****, as guys tend to do at the bar?

Because then you turn around and basically asked him if he was being a jerk because he was having a bad day.

In any event it sounds like he might have been a little unprofessional, and you acted like an 8 year old who's mommy didn't buy him the toy he wanted and now everybody at WalMart is staring at the bawling kid get dragged out of the store.

Next time if you think the staff is treating you wrong, go talk to the manager first, like an adult.