Will this be adequate

[BaylessBrewer]

Due to limited space and HOA I'm trying to design a trellis that will work in my back yard without getting any of my neighbors panties twisted. This is where I'm at with rough draft of design
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I plan on only growing cascades this year to see how it works out for me. The 4x4 post will set atop a concrete "pier" that I will dig and pour and it will be anchored using a ZMAX post anchor and then it will be strapped to the top cross bar of my chain link fence @ 4ft with a galvanized post strap and screws. The 2x4 board on top will be one on each side of the post with another piece of 2x4 sandwiched between the 2 on the ends to keep them from bending or bowing from weather.
If you have any advice please give it

 

[fuzzy2133]

Are you planning to grow the bine on the sections of X between the lines?

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Are you planning to grow the bine on the sections of X between the lines?

Yes. I added the x sections as a way of getting more growth out of the the bines due to the trellis only being 8' tall

 

[MickeyJ]

The only thing I think you should add is some length to the hop lines. If you have the ability to, I would pull the "T" assembly away from the fence X distance, pour a larger (18"x18" to 24"x24") Anchor, and run jute or chord from the ground, over the 2x to the fence that is X distance away. Hops can still grow full size horizontally, they just have to maintain their sun and water intake. A big plus to this would be that it would create a very whimsical area underneath the Jute running to the fence. And after the growing season you could string lights on it.
Cheers.

 

[philipCT]

What are the "X"'s between the uplines? Are those for keeping the uplines from sagging or are you going to train some of the bines along them?

 

[BaylessBrewer]

What are the "X"'s between the uplines? Are those for keeping the uplines from sagging or are you going to train some of the bines along them?

They will be more jute line for training the bines on.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Another question:
I have 100' of 1/4" sisal rope and would like to use that. Will that work?

 

[BaylessBrewer]

The only thing I think you should add is some length to the hop lines. If you have the ability to, I would pull the "T" assembly away from the fence X distance, pour a larger (18"x18" to 24"x24") Anchor, and run jute or chord from the ground, over the 2x to the fence that is X distance away. Hops can still grow full size horizontally, they just have to maintain their sun and water intake. A big plus to this would be that it would create a very whimsical area underneath the Jute running to the fence. And after the growing season you could string lights on it.

Cheers.

No can do. I live on a corner lot so I really don't have a back yard so to say. It's basically a small section off the one end of the house that has a fence around it to give the effect of a "back yard"View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1458318065.032887.jpg I'll be adding another raised bed next to the one on the north end of the photo. It looks bigger than the area really is

 

[TeeJo]

Your sisal rope would be overkill, but will work fine.

You are likely to find that he crossed over x's on your strings will be over-run with the side shoots. In reasonable terms, if you wished to fan the bines out, they could go a LOT wider than that before you really started getting away from the reach of the sides.

Those x's will help keep the bines from sliding down the verticals under their own weight, or at least, help.

The bines will do quite well if simply left alone to their devices. You will find that hey will fill all the available space, then bulk out, unless you trim them mercilessly, and provide them with a longer vertical run than they can reach in a season.

You'll see!

TeeJo

 

[thaymond]

Its an intersting take on low trellis. Long lengths could be tough and take up lots of yard, unless your going along the length of fence. My HOA knocked me too for a high trellis. I went low trellis.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=474201

If you're planning on leaving it on chain link, harvest could be tough. I used 4 ply sisal, which was too much. I used tomato jute originally, and it failed due to stress and plant heft. The sisal will definitely do the job.

 

[Singletrack]

I don't know much about growing hops, but I would grow all Amarillo instead of Cascade.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Its an intersting take on low trellis. Long lengths could be tough and take up lots of yard, unless your going along the length of fence. My HOA knocked me too for a high trellis. I went low trellis.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=474201

If you're planning on leaving it on chain link, harvest could be tough. I used 4 ply sisal, which was too much. I used tomato jute originally, and it failed due to stress and plant heft. The sisal will definitely do the job.

I'm thinking this year as a first year crop I'll train all bines up the twine but next year I'll train two on the twine and 1-2 on the fence per plant to try to get the most yield possible.
I ended up getting 2ply sisal at Home Depot tonite and the plan is to double it up on the main line and go single strand on the x sections. If it looks week or like it won't work later on I have no problem bringing in something stronger
By the way I love your setup. I might end up with something like that in the future. Thanks for sharing

 

[BaylessBrewer]

I don't know much about growing hops, but I would grow all Amarillo instead of Cascade.

No can do

 

[thaymond]

I'm thinking this year as a first year crop I'll train all bines up the twine but next year I'll train two on the twine and 1-2 on the fence per plant to try to get the most yield possible.
I ended up getting 2ply sisal at Home Depot tonite and the plan is to double it up on the main line and go single strand on the x sections. If it looks week or like it won't work later on I have no problem bringing in something stronger
By the way I love your setup. I might end up with something like that in the future. Thanks for sharing

The 2 ply will likely work ok. If you double it, it's more than enough.

Thank you for your kind words. I have had good results from the setup, and there are some others on HBT who have replicated the setup with success as well. Best of luck!

 

[brewcat]

I don't know much about growing hops, but I would grow all Amarillo instead of Cascade.

I don't believe Amarillo is even available. Plus Cascades grow great about anywhere.

 

[brewcat]

What you can do for a trellis is buy two shepherd hooks. Probably the 7 foot variety unless you can find bigger. Then tie jute cord between them. You can then run bines horizontal when they reach the top.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Well I spent the past couple hours with my 4yr old building this:View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1458417002.121474.jpg
I still need to string the rope for the hops and get more compost and soil for the bed but we made pretty good progress. He's a good helper but I'm not sure he's cut out for manual labor just yet. Lol

 

[thaymond]

Well I spent the past couple hours with my 4yr old building this:View attachment 345520
I still need to string the rope for the hops and get more compost and soil for the bed but we made pretty good progress. He's a good helper but I'm not sure he's cut out for manual labor just yet. Lol

Looks good. You're going to do all one variety? I'd put 2 on either side, the let them climb to the top and mingle. It will look awesome when it all fills in.

 

[thaymond]

I had my 6 year old clean up dog poop while I hunted rhizomes in my garden. I ended up with about 25 total. I bagged them and tagged them.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Looks good. You're going to do all one variety? I'd put 2 on either side, the let them climb to the top and mingle. It will look awesome when it all fills in.

Yes the plan is 3 cascade. I can get a centennial if I want and throw it in on one end maybe? I'm pretty excited about this project and hope to produce enough hops at some point to have a fresh hop brew day with some of my homebrew buddy's

 

[BaylessBrewer]

I had my 6 year old clean up dog poop while I hunted rhizomes in my garden. I ended up with about 25 total. I bagged them and tagged them.

What will you do with all the rhizomes you collected? Do they keep for a while?

 

[thaymond]

What will you do with all the rhizomes you collected? Do they keep for a while?

I have some earmarked for replanting at friends houses, so I'll try and sell the rest. They might keep for a little bit in the fridge. As soon as they get in the ground, they'll go nuts.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

I have some earmarked for replanting at friends houses, so I'll try and sell the rest. They might keep for a little bit in the fridge. As soon as they get in the ground, they'll go nuts.

Nice! How many years until you start cutting rhizomes? What varieties do you grow?

 

[thaymond]

Nice! How many years until you start cutting rhizomes? What varieties do you grow?

Year 3. I didn't the last two years to establish hardcore roots. I grow Nugget, Zeus, Cascade, and Chinook. All but Cascade gave me rhizomes this year.

 

[DurtyChemist]

Without knowing why you can't have anything taller than 8' I'd say to grow them at much more of an angle. 8' isn't enough when plants start growing 15+ ft. In the third year I'll be interested to see how this is holding up for space and growth.

 

[fuzzy2133]

Without knowing why you can't have anything taller than 8' I'd say to grow them at much more of an angle. 8' isn't enough when plants start growing 15+ ft. In the third year I'll be interested to see how this is holding up for space and growth.

This is what I have ran into. My cascade has spent 2 years in a 25 gal pot at MIL's and never done much impressive. I has since found it does not get enough sun, not growing vertically enough (8' up and ~4' horizontal) and probably have not used enough fertilizer. Moving it to my yard to grow at an angle this year.

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Without knowing why you can't have anything taller than 8' I'd say to grow them at much more of an angle. 8' isn't enough when plants start growing 15+ ft. In the third year I'll be interested to see how this is holding up for space and growth.

Yard space and a strict HOA is limiting me. If it don't do well enough I'll most likely try a different approach tbd at that time

 

[BaylessBrewer]

Added some strings today. I went with 2 vertical and one leading to the fence for each rhizome I'm planting. It may or may not work but it's what I have for this year. View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1458523081.141777.jpg

 

[madscientist451]

Due to limited space and HOA I'm trying to design a trellis that will work in my back yard without getting any of my neighbors panties twisted......
If you have any advice please give it

The original header had the question: "Will this be adequate".
Sorry, but no, it won't be. You need more like 14'-15' of vertical space to grow the hops. Your small trellis will be ok for year 1, but you need to go higher after that. Will your HOA object to putting some larger poles back there? If they do, fly American flags from them and say its freedom of speech then train the hops up the "flag poles".

 

[philipCT]

I don't know much about growing hops, but I would grow all Amarillo instead of Cascade.

I would too, if they weren't patented by and grown only at Washington's Virgil Gamache farms. And they don't sell rhizomes