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If you work retail and don't know what yer talking about, just admit it and help me find someone who can. The HD I most frequent (South Setauket) has the best electrical and plumbing SAs going. Retired master plumbers and electricians. I've been on both sides of the aisle and have found dealing with rude dipsticks is an art. Admittedly one I don't always possess...

We have a hardware place here in NZ that boosts "experts". If you need advice you need to approach all the SA slowly so if they are not an expert they will quickly scamper. If you find one that doesn't, they normally know what they are talking about or know who to get :D
 
As an owner of a smallish (13 store) retail chain, I can say that finding good help is hard. I provide benefits, nice commission structure and pay my employees a wage that a family can live on. Good help is hard to find.

With that being said, the way that I see customers sometimes treating my coworkers is nothing short of despicable. It amazes me how someone can be so rude and condescending.
 
The most annoying employees around are at THE HOME DEPOT.

Are they stupid? I think so.

Are they rude? Probably.

Are they new? Can't tell.

Are they in a catatonic zombie-like trance? Possibly. They walk by as if you are not there.

When you o to check out? 1 cashier slowly ringing people up. 7 or 8 others in the managers office or whatever that room is apparently having a seance or watching TV, I can't tell which.

FU(K that place. Never again.
 
So... Who is correct when you specifically ask for plain jane american two row and the guy at the LBHS tries to pass off a bag of Vienna as the same? I mean, come on. I can clearly see the sack in the back from Breiss that clearly DOES NOT say... Interchangeable with Vienna malt as well...
 
Yuri_Rage said:
I do not understand this argument. I will not ever understand it. We do not live in a socialist economy. I am not required to tip, and if I perceive you do be doing a crappy job, I will not do so. You are allowed to have hurt feelings because of my choice, and you are allowed to blame the cook if you think it's his fault that your tip suffered. In fact, if it was his fault, I expect you to go give him a piece of your mind. Maybe next time he'll do a better job, the food will show up on time, and you'll get a better tip. It's not my fault that your restaurant did not motivate me to spend extra cash, and I do not feel sorry for you. If you want more money, do something about it. Don't blame me.

I will say that I agree with Yuri. I am a very generous topper but if the service sucks and its the waiter/waitress' fault then I leave very little.
 
You all sound like Dwight schrute from the office with your tipping frugality.

"3Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones." Dwight
 
Sir, a flag is more than cloth. That is an argument for another thread. I would have no problem with you standing up for yourself, either. I would actually prefer that you stand up for yourself, and then retrieve the food and beverage that you are being paid to do .

I'm a server, cashier, cook, drink maker, etc. If you or anybody else talked to me in the manner you described a few pages ago I'd ask you to leave. You wouldn't get food, drink, anything. Bye bye and don't ever come back. I have no problems refusing service to rude people.
 
I want "taxes-in" advertising! I want everyone to work like gas stations!

If gas is $3.50/gallon, then I know I can get a gallon of gas if I only have $3.50 on me.

Why can't everything else work the same way?

I want gas for $3.50. I paid $4.75 a week ago, and that was the "cash price". They dont tell you on the sign its an extra 5cents a gallon to use your card.

I am ------> :off:
 
A customer's perception will likely become the basis of his generosity. Every server should understand that.

I take issue with the argument that leaving a tip is somehow a social responsibility. And I take extreme exception to the idea that compulsory public servitude should be institutionalized in my country.

This. A thousand times this. A server's job is not hard. You have a few core responsibilities that, if met, will likely earn your tip. I like to tip well for a job well done. I know that doing so lets the server know - in hard, countable form - that I appreciated their good service.

But a "tip of the hat" is just that. It is not a requirement. So don't act like you are entitled to it, and do something to earn it.

I've worked in the banking industry before, so I'm more dialed into certain banking things that most people are ignorant to. However that doesn't mean that I go around spouting off about how everyone should be forced to work in the banking industry for a year so that they have a better understanding of just why you shouldn't treat your debit card like a credit card. Or any of a thousand other common problems.

I'm not "enlightened" because I have experience in that industry. It's actually the other way around. I used to deride our customers to my coworkers over the customers' actions that we saw from a different viewpoint because we were on the inside.

Similarly, food & bev folks are also not "enlightened" on the matter of tipping simply because they've worked in that industry. Their viewpoint is simply different.

Ignorance like this is why ppl should have to work a service job like shoreman said. Whatever perception you have in your head of how a restaurant works is dead wrong. Its not Hells Kitchen where you just go yell at the cook as you suggest. Ive had plenty that though they could but those that have worked for me know thats the easy way to find yourself unemployed. Second for the most part I know a lot of servers that have done the job for years and make really good money, thats why they do it. Its people like you and a couple others here that blow my mind on this deal. This tipping thing is not a new concept, servers and most bartenders make $2.25/hr. As for make the company pay them argument, if restaurants had to pay 30-40 more ppl $10/hr a day to serve, most ppl are not gonna be able to afford to go out to eat. But you have ypur argent and thats fine, bottom line is if you cant afford to go out to eat or are to cheap to, then just eat at home.

Ignorance isn't the problem. It's entitlement. You're saying if someone doesn't tip, you don't want to serve that person? My, oh my. I guess you also don't want a job and the opportunities for a tip that those customers bring to you.

Those servers and bartenders accepted that employment of their own volition. A predefined level of compensation is not guaranteed with such a job, and this is very common knowledge. If that's something that is a requirement for them, there are plenty of other fixed-wage jobs that will fulfill that.

You do know that many who do this type of work are in fact working towards a better career - such as one going to school.

And I applaud their efforts and wish them well. I really and honestly do.

But that doesn't mean I'm obligated to bankroll their future because I am dealing with them when I want food or drink. Nobody did that for me. I am, however, very happy to reward them for a job well done. Or not if they fail to do their job.

Honestly, part of the price of a meal or a beer at a bar is a tip. I'm not thrilled with the system, either, but it is what it is. If you sit down to eat, get the food you ask for in a reasonable amount of time and hasn't flung feces at you like a capuchin, you have already agreed to tip appropriately. Sorry.

Realistically, yes that tip is part of the cost of going out, and I accept that. BUT unless it is built in to the cost of the food/beverage explicitly already, no, you did not agree to do anything. Tips are voluntary. Period.

For me to not tip at all they would have to insult me or my wife, or just flat out not listen to my order/never being food. I've tipped 10 percent and said "that'll teach em."

Had too many friends who served call me furious or crying to not tip.

It basically is the same with me. The lowest tip (10%) I've left anytime recently was at a sushi place last weekend. But that was because the server was absent and I had to ask him to do simple things like get me more tea.

As far as the crying friends goes: some people are just horrible arseholes. But this works both ways. On average, an arsehole server isn't going to get a tip (assuming the customer did no wrong) and an arsehole customer isn't going to leave one (assuming the server did no wrong). Nothing much can be done about the arsehole customer, but the server does have control - on average - over what their tips will look like.
 
Nope just saying that there are people that feel entitled as you say to be ****** bags and on top of that not tip because they feel they shouldnt have to. The job is server, not a servant know the difference.
 
Nope just saying that there are people that feel entitled as you say to be ****** bags and on top of that not tip because they feel they shouldnt have to. The job is server, not a servant know the difference.

Agreed, and we should line such people up and shoot them in full view of the public as an example to others.

But if we do that, we also have to shoot those who don't know the difference between a tip and a handout as they're pretty *****ey too.

:mug:
 
Nope just saying that there are people that feel entitled as you say to be ****** bags and on top of that not tip because they feel they shouldnt have to. The job is server, not a servant know the difference.

Then get out of the kitchen. Honestly with out the customer paying his wages he would have no job but then to have to pay some one to serve you who is demanding to be treated a certain way....

And the bit by someone else saying everyone should have to be a waiter for a year. Does that person honestly think that their job is so horrible that everyone should do it just to feel sorry for them. They do not spell work f.u.n It is work and dang if they hate it so much get out of the kitchen and do something that they like instead.

Trust me their are much worse jobs in the world and I have done a few.
 
Then get out of the kitchen. Honestly with out the customer paying his wages he would have no job but then to have to pay some one to serve you who is demanding to be treated a certain way....

And the bit by someone else saying everyone should have to be a waiter for a year. Does that person honestly think that their job is so horrible that everyone should do it just to feel sorry for them. They do not spell work f.u.n It is work and dang if they hate it so much get out of the kitchen and do something that they like instead.

Trust me their are much worse jobs in the world and I have done a few.

Their employers pay them almost nothing. We do have to pay them to do their jobs or they wont be able to afford to do them. The argument just doesnt stack up.
 
When I waited tables they paid 2.15/hr when minimum wage was 5.15 or so.

YES especially the people who say otherwise should be made to wait tables.

Don't want to tip *****ey? Eat at f**cking Mcdonalds then.
 
Their employers pay them almost nothing. We do have to pay them to do their jobs or they wont be able to afford to do them. The argument just doesnt stack up.

But it does stack up creamy. If they enjoy their job and work hard they will get tips and earn a good wage. But sitting around griping about how hard their job is and demanding that we pay them more for doing less well that kind of irks me. Let them get out of the job and make way for some one who wants to be there.

I tip when I eat out. If the service is good I tip good. If it is crappy then the tip I give is don't wear your shoes in the shower.

I have worked in shops where a 100% of my pay came from what I produced. I hired people to work there and you would not believe the number of people knowing how they would be paid would do nothing and then gripe about their pay. I told them the same thing get out and make room for some one who wants to work.

The service industry is the same. If they get paid not to perform then why would they ever perform. I realize that a server is for the most part a entry level job and most likely not a ton of fun. Kind of weeds out the good people who you want to promote though from the entitled pukes who want to get paid more for doing less.
 
When I waited tables they paid 2.15/hr when minimum wage was 5.15 or so.

YES especially the people who say otherwise should be made to wait tables.

Don't want to tip *****ey? Eat at f**cking Mcdonalds then.

Cheezy my first job was at a dairy standing ankle deep in cow ummm milking cows. I was paid a buck a hour when minimum wage was I think 3.25. Next time you have a dairy product should I shout that you should work in a dairy because I did and did it for crap money or demand that I get tips for working.

That would be silly because I decided to accept the job. Just as it is silly for you to expect others to tip unconditionally or work in a job you thought crappy.

By the way at the time I was also doing dishes in a restaurant. Part of my pay was 2 pitchers of beer while I was working. Not bad for a 15 year old :rockin:
 
I always like the reverse side of this topic: the stoopid things customers say.
Years ago when I was working in retail at a pet store in Virginia my fellow employees and I would actually have a contest each week to see who got the worst question.
Here are just a couple:

Me stocking the shelves with another employee, both of us wearing our work shirts with company logo printed clearly and our name tags.
Costumer walks up and asks "Do you work here?" This one would literally happen at least once a day.

Costumer asks for a manager, when he arrives they ask "do you guys have penguins".
And no, they weren't kidding.

and... "Do I have to get my dog vaccinated?"

Point being, the costumers can be just as moronic as the employees.
 
I witnessed one just like that last night... SWMBO and I were at the local Lowe's getting a couple paint samples, and another guy steps up to the paint counter, patiently waiting his turn. When the guy gets done and hands us our samples, he turns to this other guy and asks how he can help him, and the guy hands him a couple keys to duplicate. Now, I don't know if this guy has never had a key copied in his lifetime, but there is nothing at the paint counter at Lowe's that even remotely resembles a key making machine, and this guy stood there a good 10 minutes or so waiting so he could be told that he was in completely the wrong part of the store.

And on the opposite side of the counter, the poor girl at the register must've been having a rough night. We walked up, she scanned my MyLowe's card, then immediately asked if we had a MyLowe's membership or would like to sign up for one. I, as gently as I could, pointed out that she had just scanned our card, and said "one of those night, huh?" To which she replied something like "you have no idea," and checked us out without another word... I felt kinda bad for her.
 
It's funny because most here arguing against tipping seem to have not worked on the other side of the table BUT from what I can gather the people that have are more than happy to tip.

That's why I stand with my statement that every citizen should work a service job and a manual labor job at least once in their life - the world would be a better place, trust me.

...and I never said a year - 2 days in each one would do the trick.
 
Oh trust me, the stories the servers shared with Chuck Palahniuk are so much worse.

egads. I believe it. but the trailer didn't show the guy reaching into his pants for "parsley"

oh, don't worry, those who don't tip and are complete jackholes to the staff at a restuarant... they would NEVER do that to YOU

and I would NEVER say you deserved it
 
It's funny because most here arguing against tipping seem to have not worked on the other side of the table BUT from what I can gather the people that have are more than happy to tip.

That's why I stand with my statement that every citizen should work a service job and a manual labor job at least once in their life - the world would be a better place, trust me.

...and I never said a year - 2 days in each one would do the trick.

What the heck are you saying. I have never worked as a waiter yet I tip. I refuse to reward bad work ethics though by tipping a crappy employee.

And who in the hell are you to tell me what I should do to make the world a better place.I held 2 jobs from 15 years old on and went to school. Not easy jobs like waiting tables either. I have started a business and ran it for many years. My wife has owned and run a international construction firm. I have worked my ass off in my life and will not be cowed by a punk kid complaining that he works to hard for the money he gets.

You know the problem that has not been addressed yet is why can the employers get away with relying on tips for employees. Seems to me that the servers should get a good wage and then if they do not work out let the boss fire them and get some one in that does work
 
Me stocking the shelves with another employee, both of us wearing our work shirts with company logo printed clearly and our name tags.
Costumer walks up and asks "Do you work here?" This one would literally happen at least once a day.

Haha I get this from time to time. But as I meat cutter I wear a white coat that is covered in blood, hairnet, beardnet etc. Makes me want to tell them "no, I'm just a serial killer"

And stupid questions all the time. I was recently asked if we sold grass fed chickens. Hahaha
 
What the heck are you saying. I have never worked as a waiter yet I tip. I refuse to reward bad work ethics though by tipping a crappy employee.

And who in the hell are you to tell me what I should do to make the world a better place.I held 2 jobs from 15 years old on and went to school. Not easy jobs like waiting tables either. I have started a business and ran it for many years. My wife has owned and run a international construction firm. I have worked my ass off in my life and will not be cowed by a punk kid complaining that he works to hard for the money he gets.

You know the problem that has not been addressed yet is why can the employers get away with relying on tips for employees. Seems to me that the servers should get a good wage and then if they do not work out let the boss fire them and get some one in that does work

If servers got a regular wage, costs would be ultra high and not very many would be able to afford to eat out.
 
I am quite the polite consumer as well. What infuriates me is when checking out at the grocery store/retail shop/etc. and they cashier doesn't even bother saying "Hi! Did you find everything ok? or some other prattle that acknowledges me as a customer. Then the white kid with dreads and patchouli cologne jams everything in a bag, pushes it to the side like it's a diaper and also doesn't say a word. Customers are the reason they have jobs, and not some inconvenience that is interrupting their day.

#FirstWorldProblems
#WhiteWhine
#HashtagsOnHBT

The opposite is annoying too, when I go to the lcl hardware store, the employees start asking me if I need help as soon as I walk in the door & every single employee asks me if I need help finding anything about every 30-60 seconds until I leave.

Sometimes I just want to say, "Yes, I need help finding a hardware store where the freaking employees don't bother me every 30 seconds." Sometimes people just want to be left alone to think & shop.
Regards, GF.
 
When my wife was working on the retail end of cheese she would get some really weird questions.

"Do you sell cheese here?"

That was a good one.

"Do you have Pekinese cheese?" "Do you mean Pecorino?" "Maybe"

Hmmmm....

And one of my favorites *holds up a clear jar of pickles* "Is this cheese?"

So I get it, customeres can be tough, but customers have more a prerogative to be dopey than associates do.
 
If servers got a regular wage, costs would be ultra high and not very many would be able to afford to eat out.

Hogwash.

The total cost would be the same as it is today.

For example, if I buy a $20 steak dinner, I'm expected to tip $5. If servers were paid actual minimum wage, but tipping were eliminated, then that steak dinner would cost $25 instead of $20, but I wouldn't have to tip.

The end result is the same. The cost to the customer is the same, and the wage earned by the server is the same. The only difference is that the ACTUAL cost of the meal is advertised, instead of some bogus, unrealistically underpriced cost that isn't actually what you should expect to pay (unless you're a tightfisted ******).
 
Hogwash.

The total cost would be the same as it is today.

For example, if I buy a $20 steak dinner, I'm expected to tip $5. If servers were paid actual minimum wage, but tipping were eliminated, then that steak dinner would cost $25 instead of $20, but I wouldn't have to tip.

The end result is the same. The cost to the customer is the same, and the wage earned by the server is the same. The only difference is that the ACTUAL cost of the meal is advertised, instead of some bogus, unrealistically underpriced cost that isn't actually what you should expect to pay (unless you're a tightfisted ******).

Actually no because your talking almost a $8 raise per server being they get paid $2.25, typical shift about 20 servers. Maybe not increased so high its unafffordable but certainly to the point it would be unreasonably priced.
 
It doesnt work like that though, but I will just go ahead and let you tell me how the buisness Ive been running all my career works because obviously you know it better.
 
Getting into an argument on a thread like this will result in you getting hit with a salmon. You've been warned.

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I prefer getting hit about the head with a flounder....Or better yet a mermaid :mug:

I used to enjoy the mermaid notion until I really started to think about some of the mechanics of such a romance. Leave it said that such a courtship would be... unsatisfactory.
 
I used to enjoy the mermaid notion until I really started to think about some of the mechanics of such a romance. Leave it said that such a courtship would be... unsatisfactory.

Now hold it they had a...umm...pocket to put their waterproof vibrating phone I thought :p
 
When I waited tables they paid 2.15/hr when minimum wage was 5.15 or so.

YES especially the people who say otherwise should be made to wait tables.

Don't want to tip *****ey? Eat at f**cking Mcdonalds then.

If you can't afford the tip, you can't afford the meal.

We got out to sit on our asses and be waited on like fabled royalty. That's worth a few bucks to me.
 
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