Ways store associates respond (that make you want to set them on fire)

[OrdinaryAvgGuy]

He wasn't trying to stick it to anybody just his way of doing things. He thought it was generous to leave $5.

understand.

 

[shoreman]

It should be a requirement to work 1 service job & 1 manual labor job to be a citizen in the US. Then we'll see who ******* about tipping their fellow citizen.

 

[dkwolf]

It should be a requirement to work 1 service job & 1 manual labor job to be a citizen in the US. Then we'll see who ******* about tipping their fellow citizen.

We're not going to start this debate again, are we?

 

[shoreman]

We're not going to start this debate again, are we?

Not looking to debate it at all just making a statement

 

[kombat]

BTW, while the US Flag Code is not enforceable by the government, the corporate headquarters of Applebee's agreed with me.

That's because if Monday's headine was "Applebee's tell's war vet to f-off, continues to hang flags upside-down", then they'd lose millions.

 

[kombat]

Leaving a $5 tip is not "sticking it to the man". It's actually sticking it to someone who makes like $2 an hour (or whatever they make).

Who said anything about "sticking it to the man?"

And if a service/product is offered for $x, why is it unacceptable to pay $x +$y for it? Hell, it should be A-OK to pay $x alone for it. $x plus $z where z = anything above 0 should be above and beyond.

If I walk into a Lexus dealership that advertises an IS C for $35,000, and ask to buy one, and they expect me to tip $15,000 (it's actually a $50,000 car) and I don't, does that make me a jerk? Am I being mean to the salesman?

If a company advertises a product for $x, I expect to pay $x. Paying the tax is already a kick in the teeth. Throwing a mandatory tip on the pile is just adding insult to injury, especially when said tip is expected even for mediocre service. The only time paying strictly $x (i.e., tipping $0) is acceptable is in cases of grossly unsatisfactory service, and I think that's pretty manipulative.

That's why I avoid going out to sit-down restaurants as much as possible. Call me cheap, but if I see a billboard advertising a steak dinner for $19.99, I expect a 20-dollar bill to cover it. Anything less is false advertising.

 

[Ostomo517]

Who said anything about "sticking it to the man?"

And if a service/product is offered for $x, why is it unacceptable to pay $x +$y for it? Hell, it should be A-OK to pay $x alone for it. $x plus $z where z = anything above 0 should be above and beyond.

If I walk into a Lexus dealership that advertises an IS C for $35,000, and ask to buy one, and they expect me to tip $15,000 (it's actually a $50,000 car) and I don't, does that make me a jerk? Am I being mean to the salesman?

If a company advertises a product for $x, I expect to pay $x. Paying the tax is already a kick in the teeth. Throwing a mandatory tip on the pile is just adding insult to injury, especially when said tip is expected even for mediocre service. The only time paying strictly $x (i.e., tipping $0) is acceptable is in cases of grossly unsatisfactory service, and I think that's pretty manipulative.

That's why I avoid going out to sit-down restaurants as much as possible. Call me cheap, but if I see a billboard advertising a steak dinner for $19.99, I expect a 20-dollar bill to cover it. Anything less is false advertising.

Cheap

 

[kombat]

I want "taxes-in" advertising! I want everyone to work like gas stations!

If gas is $3.50/gallon, then I know I can get a gallon of gas if I only have $3.50 on me.

Why can't everything else work the same way?

 

[shoreman]

I suspect many (if not all) of you have never worked as a waiter or waitress.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

It should be a requirement to work 1 service job & 1 manual labor job to be a citizen in the US. Then we'll see who ******* about tipping their fellow citizen.

I suspect many (if not all) of you have never worked as a waiter or waitress.

I do not understand this argument. I will not ever understand it. We do not live in a socialist economy. I am not required to tip, and if I perceive you do be doing a crappy job, I will not do so. You are allowed to have hurt feelings because of my choice, and you are allowed to blame the cook if you think it's his fault that your tip suffered. In fact, if it was his fault, I expect you to go give him a piece of your mind. Maybe next time he'll do a better job, the food will show up on time, and you'll get a better tip. It's not my fault that your restaurant did not motivate me to spend extra cash, and I do not feel sorry for you. If you want more money, do something about it. Don't blame me.

 

[shoreman]

I do not understand this argument. I will not ever understand it. We do not live in a socialist economy. I am not required to tip, and if I perceive you do be doing a crappy job, I will not do so. You are allowed to have hurt feelings because of my choice, and you are allowed to blame the cook if you think it's his fault that your tip suffered. In fact, if it was his fault, I expect you to go give him a piece of your mind. Maybe next time he'll do a better job, the food will show up on time, and you'll get a better tip. It's not my fault that your restaurant did not motivate me to spend extra cash, and I do not feel sorry for you. If you want more money, do something about it. Don't blame me.

You've obviously never worked in a restaurant. Although you may think you have it all figured it out, you don't.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

And you've obviously missed my point.

 

[shoreman]

And you've obviously missed my point.

I understand where you are going with that - but believe me someone isn't going to further their awesome 'restaurant career' because this amazing person came in and usually they give me $1 but this time they gave me $2 - 99% of people don't choose to work those jobs - it's all out of need.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

You expect me to throw a pity party and pitch some cash at every waiter or waitress I encounter because they must be working hard and getting underpaid and somehow that's my fault. Sorry, no.

 

[shoreman]

You expect me to throw a pity party and pitch some cash at every waiter or waitress I encounter because they must be working hard and getting underpaid and somehow that's my fault. Sorry, no.

No you just don't get it - re-read my original statement:

Every citizen should work a service job & a manual labor job at least once in this country.

We'll never agree dood - good luck with that.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

No. Compulsory service is not what this nation was built upon. Good luck with what?

 

[shoreman]

No. Compulsory service is not what this nation was built upon. Good luck with what?

Go put in a couple of shifts at a restaurant just for fun and come back and report to us on how it worked out for you. Then maybe reflect on what this nation was built on.

 

[shoreman]

Good luck with what?

all I'm saying is good luck not tipping and always making a big deal about it - IMHO it's no fun going out with people that put so much emphasis on a petty few dollars here and there. It's about the company you are with - not judging the service.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

We still misunderstand each other. I'm usually a pretty generous tipper, and I don't make a big issue of it. I'm also not afraid to leave less or no tip when I perceive the service to be poor. A customer's perception will likely become the basis of his generosity. Every server should understand that.

I take issue with the argument that leaving a tip is somehow a social responsibility. And I take extreme exception to the idea that compulsory public servitude should be institutionalized in my country.

 

[mux]

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[Ostomo517]

I do not understand this argument. I will not ever understand it. We do not live in a socialist economy. I am not required to tip, and if I perceive you do be doing a crappy job, I will not do so. You are allowed to have hurt feelings because of my choice, and you are allowed to blame the cook if you think it's his fault that your tip suffered. In fact, if it was his fault, I expect you to go give him a piece of your mind. Maybe next time he'll do a better job, the food will show up on time, and you'll get a better tip. It's not my fault that your restaurant did not motivate me to spend extra cash, and I do not feel sorry for you. If you want more money, do something about it. Don't blame me.

Ignorance like this is why ppl should have to work a service job like shoreman said. Whatever perception you have in your head of how a restaurant works is dead wrong. Its not Hells Kitchen where you just go yell at the cook as you suggest. Ive had plenty that though they could but those that have worked for me know thats the easy way to find yourself unemployed. Second for the most part I know a lot of servers that have done the job for years and make really good money, thats why they do it. Its people like you and a couple others here that blow my mind on this deal. This tipping thing is not a new concept, servers and most bartenders make $2.25/hr. As for make the company pay them argument, if restaurants had to pay 30-40 more ppl $10/hr a day to serve, most ppl are not gonna be able to afford to go out to eat. But you have ypur argent and thats fine, bottom line is if you cant afford to go out to eat or are to cheap to, then just eat at home.

 

[Billy-Klubb]

We still misunderstand each other. I'm usually a pretty generous tipper, and I don't make a big issue of it. I'm also not afraid to leave less or no tip when I perceive the service to be poor. A customer's perception will likely become the basis of his generosity. Every server should understand that.

I take issue with the argument that leaving a tip is somehow a social responsibility. And I take extreme exception to the idea that compulsory public servitude should be institutionalized in my country.

this. IME, customers are like allergies: an irrational overreaction to a common & mundane situation. the allergy doesn't know it's irritating and demanding. the servers are the cure. they can either do a good job and ease the suffering of the allergy, or do a bad job and make the allergy more irritating. who would you rather tip?

 

[tx-brewer]

We don't eat out all that much anymore. 20 bucks can get some pretty decent take out, but eating there tipping and drinks set you back.

I can kinda see both sides of this argument though. I don't like the idea that servers make little money and customers are supposed to tip just because. But it serves its purpose. If there were no tipping food prices would be more and servers would be less inclined to work hard and EARN a tip.

I feel a tip is earned, not expected. I usually tip 15 to 25 percent based on service, but will tip less if I receive bad service. Only no tipped one time and found out my girlfriend snuck a couple bucks down (started a big fight). She felt bad for the guy and thought that since he admitted he provided poor service to us and said sorry he should get something, absolutely not.

I'm not hard to serve, keep my drink full, get my order right (if its wrong and you didnt write it down cause you can "remember" even worse), check in from time to time, and don't try to talk to much (i didn't come here to talk to you)

Bad food, cold food, crying babyat the next table, long wait for a table, etc does not affect my tipping.

 

[OrdinaryAvgGuy]

You expect me to throw a pity party and pitch some cash at every waiter or waitress I encounter because they must be working hard and getting underpaid and somehow that's my fault. Sorry, no.

I agree with most of your viewpoints on this topic but this one was a little out there.

You do know that many who do this type of work are in fact working towards a better career - such as one going to school.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

Ignorance like this is why ppl should have to work a service job like shoreman said. Whatever perception you have in your head of how a restaurant works is dead wrong. Its not Hells Kitchen where you just go yell at the cook as you suggest. Ive had plenty that though they could but those that have worked for me know thats the easy way to find yourself unemployed. Second for the most part I know a lot of servers that have done the job for years and make really good money, thats why they do it. Its people like you and a couple others here that blow my mind on this deal. This tipping thing is not a new concept, servers and most bartenders make $2.25/hr. As for make the company pay them argument, if restaurants had to pay 30-40 more ppl $10/hr a day to serve, most ppl are not gonna be able to afford to go out to eat. But you have ypur argent and thats fine, bottom line is if you cant afford to go out to eat or are to cheap to, then just eat at home.

Please read my last post before making assumptions about what I can afford. I'm not too cheap to tip; I simply disagree that it is a social obligation. I tip according to service received. It's a simple concept that, by your own argument, clearly works.

 

[Yuri_Rage]

Damn. Usually I kill threads with the "close" button. Good thing this is a mindless mumbling. Back to your regularly scheduled complaints about hardware stores.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Honestly, part of the price of a meal or a beer at a bar is a tip. I'm not thrilled with the system, either, but it is what it is. If you sit down to eat, get the food you ask for in a reasonable amount of time and hasn't flung feces at you like a capuchin, you have already agreed to tip appropriately. Sorry.

 

[turvis]

I would hate to see the service if a restaurant paid the servers a regular wage. I am talking about your average restaurant not the high end ones. The way I see it would be if the server knows he is getting a pay check regardless of the service quality the quality in general would go down do to people not caring. There will be the argument that oh they will get fired if they give crap service but there are a lot of managers that don't care and employees as well. Could be wrong but that is how I see it.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

When I was in Ireland the bartenders said they received a prevailing wage and tipping wasnt expected. I found them to be attentive.

 

[OrdinaryAvgGuy]

When I was in Ireland the bartenders said they received a prevailing wage and tipping wasnt expected. I found them to be attentive.

When I was in Ireland, the service was a bit slower than the states. As soon as you open your mouth and they realize that you are American, the service usually gets better.

I would always leave a 10% - 15% tip depending on the level of service. They know American's tip and they enjoy a small bonus from time to time.

There was one waitress that flat out refused my tip. I told her "Look, i know you don't tip here but I'm from the US and your service was good so here, take it!"