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Be sure to join the AHA and send them encouraging e-mails to expand their lobbying. It's a great organization, and every homebrewer should be a member- especially if you live in one of the states where our hobby is illegal.
 
Man has brewed beer for thousands of years.Our Puritan(even more screwed up than mormons) fore fathers brewed beer.I brew beer.**** Utah!:mug:
 
Pardon my language.And don't mean to offend anyone who lives in Utah ,thats just the way i feel.
 
Man, that must suck for those Utahn's..... brewing under the radar...

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Any reason why someone outside of Utah shouldn't write a letter too?

Even if not in Utah, writing a letter would help move homebrewing as a whole for the United States (i.e. Utah competitions, etc.). If you have 5 minutes, please write in!
 
Just curious and i might sound stupid for asking this, but how can State Law supersede Federal Law. The way i see it is the state although may have their local laws, they still have to abide by federal laws. If the Federal law says it is legal to brew, then shouldn't it override state law. Example local city has laws, city is part of state city has to follow state laws, state is part of country, state has to follow country laws. If this is not true then all we really all is a group of countries joined together for strength, each state really being it's own country.

10th Ammendment and 21st Ammendment.


Federal Gov cannot usurp the rights of the states. The original intent of the founding fathers was that the federal government be responsible for matters of trade, commerce, treating with foreign nations, and the common defense. Everything else was up to the individual states. Of course, the fed has steadily intruded on that, but they have not completely eliminated state's rights (yet). As a general rule, a state cannot "over ride" a federal law, in that the state cannot be less restrictive, but a state may always be more restrictive, up to the point where is becomes a constitutional issue regarding individual rights. An example is guns. There is no federal restriction on handgun ownership, nor a federal requirement for registration. Several states restrict it, and several cities have their own unique restrictions. D.C. (which is a unique entity, though generally treated legally and constitutionally as a "state" and not a city) excercised it's authority to make more restrictive gun laws than under federal law, up to the point where the supreme court ruled that it violated the individuals 2nd Ammendment rights.

An excellent example of direct conflict regarding this is federal drug laws and the battle with california. Marijuana is illegal under federal law. California legalized medicinal use. The feds said you can't do that. California did it anyway, claiming the feds have no constitutional authority to over ride the vote of the people in the state of CA. The voters overwhelmingly approved it. Now there is a conflict, ongoing. So we have a grey area in CA, where you can legally obtain a script for it, grow it, harvest it, and smoke it.......free from prosecution or arrest by state law enforcment........but the DEA could in theory swoop down on your @zz and arrest you, and you could face federal charges.

The above not withstanding, the issue of states and alcohol has an additional issue. The 21st Ammendment.

When the fed's repealed prohibition with the 21st ammendment, the 2nd section gave absolute authority to regulate and control alcoholic beverages to the individual states, IE, it did not create a "right" to alcohol, it said the feds grant all relative authority to the states. This is historically interesting, as the 21st ammendment created the 2nd instance where an individual citizen can actually violate the constitution. Today, this still holds true. The only way and individual citizen of the united states can directly violate the constitution is by:

1. Enslaving another person (13th ammendment)
2. Transporting, producing, selling, or otherwise distributing alcoholic beverages in violation of a state or territorial law. (21st Ammendment)
 
I just received this from my state rep:

Dear Eric,

I will seriously look into this bill. On initial look I believe I would be able to support this bill, but I would like to know more before I commit.

Regards,

Rep. Jay Seegmiller
District 49
 
Utah Team,

WOW, I'm with you guys. What happened to "if it doesn't hurt others, do what you want"

Its disturbing to hear that there are some places that will charge you under law for brewing. I live in Canada and we are liberal when it comes to that type of stuff. The state really has no business is determining home-brewing legislation.

Stick it to them (damn communists)

good luck!

Billy
 
I just sent the emails to my rep and senator, we gotta get this through! :) As for a lot of the comments about mormons in general... you guys should know what you're talking about before you talk... because you're mostly wrong. I'm not going to get into a debate about it... I'm from a mormon family, just don't practice myself, but I know what the beliefs are, and I know how much of a pain it can be to live w/ the rules they set, but that doesn't mean its acceptable to go around bashing someone w/ complete falsehoods like you know what you're talking about. That being said, I love living in Utah, just hate the silly alcohol laws. I've even wanted to do some research into how much it costs the state to run the silly laws they keep. If they kept the alcohol taxes they already have and moved to a more standard form of alcohol regulation like other states, they could put MILLIONS of dollars into... I dunno SCHOOLS... instead of this stupid regulation system they have now.. .anyway... that's my 2cents...
 
I've lived in Utah all but five years of my life. I love it here. There is nowhere else I want to live. I don't think this small change in law will change this place in any noticeable way to most people.

I was forced into Mormonism as a child as most born here are. I've studied it and know it better than many Mormons do. I've had my name removed from all their records. A lot of what they do makes this the great place that it is but the lies they hide in their history and teach their children will catch up to them in the end.
 
If they kept the alcohol taxes they already have and moved to a more standard form of alcohol regulation like other states, they could put MILLIONS of dollars into... I dunno SCHOOLS... instead of this stupid regulation system they have now.. .anyway... that's my 2cents...

The taxes and mark-ups they already have for alcohol are what pay for the school lunch program in the state.

My main issue is that the way it is run prevents allot of jobs and hurts our tourism dollar. That and it prevents allot of vendors from wanting to do business with the state which limits the variety of wines and beers available in the state run liquor stores. Plus all but one member of the state ABC board are non-drinking mormons who want nothing more then to completely rid the entire state of alcohol. There is something wrong with that! I believe the drinkers in this state should have a more balanced board that governs their alcohol purchasing and consumption laws.
 
The taxes and mark-ups they already have for alcohol are what pay for the school lunch program in the state.

My main issue is that the way it is run prevents allot of jobs and hurts our tourism dollar. That and it prevents allot of vendors from wanting to do business with the state which limits the variety of wines and beers available in the state run liquor stores. Plus all but one member of the state ABC board are non-drinking mormons who want nothing more then to completely rid the entire state of alcohol. There is something wrong with that! I believe the drinkers in this state should have a more balanced board that governs their alcohol purchasing and consumption laws.


I totally agree, what I'm saying I think is fundamentally broken is HOW MUCH money that they must be spending on the state run liquor stores, the staff for them, etc. and the enforcement of bars w/ the private club stupidities, I think that private club thing just changed didn't it? That being said, think how much money would go to employees of regular stores and private run liquor stores and then ALL the taxes they get that are now being spent on running the state liquor stores and staff etc. THATs the money I'm referring to. They probably pay some ridiculously high wages for a job that's effectively a clerk... and we have hard working people at local grocery stores doing the same job and getting diddly pay... that's where I'm coming from.

all else you said +1 agreed totally.
 
I was agreeing with you. It hurts jobs in the private sector. Utah claims to be this free-capitalist state yet they have this HUGE state run entity that hurts the local economy. De-regulating would create so many jobs and increase the tax base instead of taking from it.

Oh and there is a Utah group HomeBrewTalk Groups - Utah Brewers
 
First, sorry, forgot it was there and I'd already posted, I'm a member of the grp now. I subscribed to the bill updates and the house gave it a favorable recommendation today, for what that's worth
 
(I'm not talkin about you crazy law breakin' brewers!)

Utah... The ****er State

At least Mormons respect your religious choice and don't go door to door trying to convince you why they are right and you are wrong about your own opinion. I couldn't even imagine going door to door disrespecting people like that. ok getting off topic...

LEGALIZE IT!
 
? HUH ?

Mormons DO go door to door... maybe not in CO, but in ID they do!

Offered to discuss my relationship with god over a beer with 'em, but they turned me down.
 
Ohhhh... I was getting those dudes confused with Jehovas witnesses (sp?). Those ****ers have came to my house. I'm going to start going to their houses, umm... Excuse me sir, but I don't really believe that their is some guy living in some other dimension secretly controlling our lives... wonder what they'd think of that. Of course I respect other peoples opinions and privacy enough to not do that. :D
 
....think how much money would go to employees of regular stores and private run liquor stores and then ALL the taxes they get that are now being spent on running the state liquor stores and staff etc. THATs the money I'm referring to. They probably pay some ridiculously high wages for a job that's effectively a clerk... and we have hard working people at local grocery stores doing the same job and getting diddly pay... that's where I'm coming from.
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High pay and good benefits aren't what I've heard from 2 people that have worked in Utah liquor stores. The anecdotes I heard were "they hired for a full time position but wont let me work more than 35 hours, and I don't get benefits as such."
 
IT passed the senate!

Here's the vote:

02/19/09 Senate/ pass 2nd S3RD 19 5 5

19 for 5 against 5 no vote...

Now just to the gov. for signing... not sure how long that takes. I think its unlikely he'll veto. He's been very pro modernizing all Utah liquor/alcohol laws.

YAY
 
IT passed the senate!

Here's the vote:

02/19/09 Senate/ pass 2nd S3RD 19 5 5

19 for 5 against 5 no vote...

Now just to the gov. for signing... not sure how long that takes. I think its unlikely he'll veto. He's been very pro modernizing all Utah liquor/alcohol laws.

YAY

Congratulations!

BTW, your avatar scares me.
 
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