Ughh teenagers

[edmanster]

I'm a firm believer that if you demystify something, your children are far less likely to try to sneak it/have a problem with it.

^^^
This is how I view it also!!
Living in this effed up state (utah) we have the righteous "zion curtin" which only makes the kids wonder what's happining and why they can't see and then they want to discover for themselves without guidance which only causes more problems!!

 

[TyTanium]

Agreed. I grew up observing responsible use of alcohol. It just wasn't a big deal. A beer with dinner or while watching football is normal.

I think when I was 10 or so my dad let me try a sip of Michelob ultra or something. That pretty much ended any interest or curiousity in beer as a teenager.

 

[edmanster]

I think when I was 10 or so my dad let me try a sip of Michelob ultra or something. That pretty much ended any interest or curiousity in beer as a teenager.

I do this also but the cider, mead and wine will always be out of reach!!

 

[motobrewer]

I'm a firm believer that if you demystify something, your children are far less likely to try to sneak it/have a problem with it.

yeah i donno. i'm pretty sure European countries with lower drinking age limits have at least the same percentage of alcohol dependents as we do.

 

[TyTanium]

True stat. But perhaps their parents haven't demystified it and demonstrated responsible/normal use of alcohol.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I know personally as someone who was sheltered from alcohol I went buck wild throughout college. It wasnt until third semester freshman year that I found out the goal of the night was NOT to get the spins...

 

[motobrewer]

I know personally as someone who was sheltered from alcohol I went buck wild throughout college. It wasnt until third semester freshman year that I found out the goal of the night was NOT to get the spins...

I was brought up "un-shetered" by alcohol, my parents allowed me the occasional beer when i turned 18. i still went buck wild in college.

i don't know if there's a strong correlation between the two.

 

[paulster2626]

My kids brew with me... and occasionally have miniscule samples of the end product. My mom was born in Austria, and her and her brothers and sisters used to have to drink a cup of some kind of small beer every night. Only in this culture do people view letting children have some alcohol as a carnal sin. I'm a firm believer that if you demystify something, your children are far less likely to try to sneak it/have a problem with it.

In France, I was at a pub and saw a group of young teenagers come up to the bouncer, talk to him for a minute, then walk in and get beers at the bar. On the way out, I asked him what the drinking age was, and he told me it was 18 (or 19, can't remember exactly ). I said that those kids were nowhere near that age - so why did he let them in? Guy tells me it's only legal for him to ask how old they are, and he can't demand any ID. So if they say 18, they're 18. I asked him if underage drinking was a big problem, and he said not at all, because nobody really cares if you drink or not, so it's not taken so seriously. This was the hardest French conversation ever.

 

[TxBrew]

In France, I was at a pub and saw a group of young teenagers come up to the bouncer, talk to him for a minute, then walk in and get beers at the bar. On the way out, I asked him what the drinking age was, and he told me it was 18 (or 19, can't remember exactly ). I said that those kids were nowhere near that age - so why did he let them in? Guy tells me it's only legal for him to ask how old they are, and he can't demand any ID. So if they say 18, they're 18. I asked him if underage drinking was a big problem, and he said not at all, because nobody really cares if you drink or not, so it's not taken so seriously. This was the hardest French conversation ever.

Here they would all be in jail.

 

[Jacob_Marley]

Only in this culture do people view letting children have some alcohol as a carnal sin.

My local Rite-Aid drug store took any mention of alcohol, beer and wine out of their *online* weekly circular/advertisements. It's still in the printed version that actually comes to the house ... but they took it off the online version so that "minors" don't poke out an eye with that information. What a bunch of morons.

Yup ... stuff like that gets under my skin something fierce and there are so many examples of similar hypocritical behavior on a number of issues.

Our society's pious behavior brings out the worst in me ... the O.H. has banned me from discussing such things around our friends because I end up doing my own version of the werewolf scene from An American Werewolf in London.

Another example is alcohol websites (Jagermeister etc) that ask you if you are 21 before letting you on to the site.
Really?
Are they really that stupid that they believe asking someone to state they are of legal age actually makes any difference?
There is NO liability issue that supports it ... it's 100% pure hypocrisy.

I really have to just leave it at this ... I'm inclined to go wayyyyyyy off topic.

 

[bottlebomber]

Ironically in the county I live in, the drinking age is 21, but an 18 year old kid can easily (and I mean without fail) get a medical marijuana card and grow 25 plants exempt from local law enforcement. Where is the logic in that?

 

[SenorPepe]

Well one line of logic is that that teenager can't acutely poison himself with his marijuana...but obviously that's not the real reasoning.

 

[bottlebomber]

Well one line of logic is that that teenager can't acutely poison himself with his marijuana...but obviously that's not the real reasoning.

Right, but it does give him a proper introduction to the warm and fuzzy world of drug trafficking. It's very common here to see 20 year old kids driving 50 thousand dollar vehicles. My own brother hasn't ever filed taxes... I'm not sure how they are able to get away with it, but it seems silly to let this happen in one part of the country, and then in other parts make homebrewing illegal.

Wait, what was this thread about again?

 

[Ricand]

Ironically in the county I live in, the drinking age is 21, but an 18 year old kid can easily (and I mean without fail) get a medical marijuana card and grow 25 plants exempt from local law enforcement. Where is the logic in that?

It is a bit weird that we can take an 18 year old, put a gun in his hand and have him kill other humans in war, but say he's not responsible enough to have a beer.

Cannabis is way better for you and IS medicine (yeah I know it's abused). If you are 10 and are on chemotherapy, you'd better hope you have access to MM. There is nothing that works as good from the drug companies.

 

[SenorPepe]

Just when you thought it couldn't get more off topic....

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Why would anyone post about chicken breast in an offal forum!?

 

[gwcr]

I know personally as someone who was sheltered from alcohol I went buck wild throughout college. It wasnt until third semester freshman year that I found out the goal of the night was NOT to get the spins...

Third semester...classic! :cross:

 

[punkrockdave]

It is a bit weird that we can take an 18 year old, put a gun in his hand and have him kill other humans in war, but say he's not responsible enough to have a beer.

Cannabis is way better for you and IS medicine (yeah I know it's abused). If you are 10 and are on chemotherapy, you'd better hope you have access to MM. There is nothing that works as good from the drug companies.

Good point.

 

[bottlebomber]

It is a bit weird that we can take an 18 year old, put a gun in his hand and have him kill other humans in war, but say he's not responsible enough to have a beer.

Cannabis is way better for you and IS medicine (yeah I know it's abused). If you are 10 and are on chemotherapy, you'd better hope you have access to MM. There is nothing that works as good from the drug companies.

As a long time EX-cannabis user, I can say with authority that it's not nearly as benign as some people would like you to believe. It is extremely habit forming, has large potential to lead to the use of other drugs, is inconsistent as far as potency, and has a large number of side effects. Sure it can enhance appetite, but when you've been smoking it for quite awhile and then you can't eat UNLESS you're stoned, it's hard to call that beneficial.

Why would anyone post about chicken breast in an offal forum!?

I bought some chicken breasts the other day, but I returned them because they didn't have any nipples. Rubbish in our markets these days.

 

[SenorPepe]

Sure it can enhance appetite, but when you've been smoking it for quite awhile and then you can't eat UNLESS you're stoned, it's hard to call that beneficial.

Maybe if you're a recreational user. Better than wasting away or taking drugs with much more severe and lasting side effects than those you listed. On a continuum that includes things like tardive dyskinesia, organ failure and uncontrollable lava ****s or whatever, having to be high to eat is not so bad.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Third semester...classic! :cross:

Totally NOT a typo! Hehehehehehe.

I really meant 1 year and a summer session (failed a requisite course on a technicality, there is a place for you in heck Professor White), but third semester freshman year is what came out. D'OH!

 

[bottlebomber]

Maybe if you're a recreational user. Better than wasting away or taking drugs with much more severe and lasting side effects than those you listed. On a continuum that includes things like tardive dyskinesia, organ failure and uncontrollable lava ****s or whatever, having to be high to eat is not so bad.

I would say that you are right, and that MM is totally appropriate for treatment of chronic illnesses. So is morphine. If someone is dying, anything that can make their departure less painfull should be available to them. But when you give an 18 year old kid a pot car because he twisted his ankle playing soccer in his freshman year (true story) its just plain irresponsible.

EDIT: pot CARD. A pot car is what Cheech and Chong drove in Up in Smoke.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Can I be that ninny with the glasses with the tape on them and the overbite that suggests the subject move in a different direction.... seeing as how this is one of those that can totally devolve into "shut up!" "no you shut up!" in a nanosecond? Not saying it was moving in that direction, but it sooo could...

 

[CreamyGoodness]

(the pot safety part I mean...)

 

[SenorPepe]

I would say that you are right, and that MM is totally appropriate for treatment of chronic illnesses. So is morphine. If someone is dying, anything that can make their departure less painfull should be available to them. But when you give an 18 year old kid a pot car because he twisted his ankle playing soccer in his freshman year (true story) its just plain irresponsible.

EDIT: pot CARD. A pot car is what Cheech and Chong drove in Up in Smoke.

lol ok I understand. My first thought was that cancer patients (or anyone who has to take drugs with serious side effects) would laugh at the side effects you mentioned, although I wouldn't be so flippant about them for a normal, non afflicted person. Especially an 18 year old kid who got a card for a twisted ankle. Would be way cooler if he got the pot car though.

 

[bottlebomber]

Can I be that ninny with the glasses with the tape on them and the overbite that suggests the subject move in a different direction.... seeing as how this is one of those that can totally devolve into "shut up!" "no you shut up!" in a nanosecond? Not saying it was moving in that direction, but it sooo could...

I personally would really try to break off before that point, but this is "general chit chat", and conversations do have this natural way of evolving and changing topic.

Teenagers, those little bastards. I'll have one of them myself pretty soon. He's only 10 now, but his legs are getting hairy and his peach fuzz is coming in on his upper lip. Just stopped having to buy night-time pull-ups for my youngest. Looking forward to at least a couple years before I have to start buying razors for my oldest.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

My favorite story from my teen years was when my father threatened to murder me if I made him a grandfather before he was 50. That was his direct quote, "James, I will murder you if you make me a grandfather before I'm 50."

The fact that he felt the need to tell me this really speaks to the underlying teenage mentality.

 

[paulthenurse]

I kind of wish Yoop had let the kid hang around long enough that he could go off on a real EAC rant.

Memories
Light the corners of my mind
Misty water colored memories
Of self righteous teens.

 

[SenorPepe]

Ahh I remember when I was a teen. My dad sat me down and said, "Son, you're a man now. You need to be accountable for your actions." I fell silent while I mulled it over for a few minutes. Then I said, "**** you Dad! Everyone else is going to the Blink 182 concert it's not fair!"

 

[KayaBrew]

Don't brag...or even mention that you went to a Blink 182 show. That'll get you booted from this forum quicker than lightning!