True Detective - Musings and WTFs
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That's a pretty good plot summary, and it's laid out pretty much how I thought it was. I'm pretty excited for the season finale, I'm fairly sure Frank and Ray are going to die though.
grrickar
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I'm truly impressed with the acting this season. Who would have thought Vince Vaughn could pull off a gangster role? Or Rachael McAdams pull off a gritty female detective role? Love this season - can't wait to see how it ends (seems way too soon to be ending!?!)
GrogNerd
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that is an EXCELLENT plot summary, thanks for finding that
I think I got a handle on it now...
you have the jewel heist and the shady land deals and they're connected through Caspere.
Caspere was murdered by the jewel heist orphans. Like someone pointed out, the cops who pulled the robbery wouldn't kill him, it would draw attention to them. those involved in the land deal didn't kill him, Blake kinda hinted at that before he **** the carpet.
the Russians are using the fact that Frank is in a vulnerable position to muscle in and take his territory. I wouldn't be surprised if Frank's wife is in on that.
I may have been wrong about Vince Vaughan, his game has stepped up the past couple episodes. Reason may be his acting as a wannabe businessman is horrible, his scenes where he's a gangster are great. maybe that's what the character is all about; crappy businessman, outstanding gangster.
and as much as I want to hate Colin Farrell, he's an excellent actor. His finding the DA's body in the car was a great reaction. I noticed she was dead and was "oh, ****" just before his identical reaction. and I liked the fact he beat feet right away, instead of sticking around, pondering the injustice of it all. that was writing and direction, but the acting was great too.
Well, Frank and Ray both died, though I thought they might, it comes down to each of them not being able to give up on their one big lure; for Ray that is his son and for Frank it's the money and respect.
So, total body count of important characters: 5 (6 if you count Caspere's killer, the orphaned boy), Ray, Frank, the chief of police, McCandliss and Oleg the Russian mobster.
All of the occult aspects seem to have been tied to Caspere, the Chessani family and Amarillo only, a bit disappointing for someone like me who loves the occult references.
Ray should have grabbed that assault rifle, that shotgun won't do much against guys with assault rifles at range...not that he really had a chance once he stopped running and gunning.
The psychologist was "suicided" to tie up loose ends and his files taken, I guess we'll never know exactly what sort of creepy crap the Chessani family does.
Despite losing a lot of the key players, the business of Catalast and Vinci rolled on, this is not unlike the ending to the last season, although this season hints that justice might just be coming as Ani met with a journalist at the end.
Damn, Ray is good at making kids, not only is his son actually his son but in one night he also impregnated Ani.
Now I kind of want to do a True Detective marathon of both seasons back to back, I might do that before next season (if there is one). Overall, I liked season two, I didn't think it was quite as strong as season 1, but a lot of that comes down to the actors and locations; McConaughey and Harrelson are hard to match as actors and the occult is a little more intimidating in the rotting buildings of the deep south than in hot and dry southern California. The plot was much more complex this season, but in a lot of ways I think it was a stronger plot than last season, even if I sometimes found myself more "in the weeds" trying to understand all of the moving pieces of it. As far as the actors, I really felt like Rachel McAdams was the best of the bunch, her portrayal of Ani reflected both the strength and vulnerability the part needed. Vince Vaughn was surprisingly good as frustrated gangster/businessman Frank Semyon, though now that I reflect on it it's maybe not that different from a lot comedic parts he has played where he is the frustrated/on edge guy; Vaughn won't win an Emmy for the part, and he shouldn't, but he's definitely shown he can play characters outside of comedic roles. The most disappointing actor of the bunch for me was Taylor Kitsch, I never really felt like he was able to emote anything with any believability; even when he was crying it didn't seem like he was really feeling anything. I've only seen Kitsch in the terrible John Carter, so I'm not really sure if he's just a bad actor or if this was bad writing and directing for the part; and the part did have a lot heaped on it, not only a closeted gay man but an ex mercenary from Afghanistan.
Next location? I'd love to see something set in the Seattle area, where I live; but I could also see the northeast being a potential target, the show seems to want to avoid setting itself in traditional big cities where there's lots of federal interest to screw with the occultism.
So, total body count of important characters: 5 (6 if you count Caspere's killer, the orphaned boy), Ray, Frank, the chief of police, McCandliss and Oleg the Russian mobster.
All of the occult aspects seem to have been tied to Caspere, the Chessani family and Amarillo only, a bit disappointing for someone like me who loves the occult references.
Ray should have grabbed that assault rifle, that shotgun won't do much against guys with assault rifles at range...not that he really had a chance once he stopped running and gunning.
The psychologist was "suicided" to tie up loose ends and his files taken, I guess we'll never know exactly what sort of creepy crap the Chessani family does.
Despite losing a lot of the key players, the business of Catalast and Vinci rolled on, this is not unlike the ending to the last season, although this season hints that justice might just be coming as Ani met with a journalist at the end.
Damn, Ray is good at making kids, not only is his son actually his son but in one night he also impregnated Ani.
Now I kind of want to do a True Detective marathon of both seasons back to back, I might do that before next season (if there is one). Overall, I liked season two, I didn't think it was quite as strong as season 1, but a lot of that comes down to the actors and locations; McConaughey and Harrelson are hard to match as actors and the occult is a little more intimidating in the rotting buildings of the deep south than in hot and dry southern California. The plot was much more complex this season, but in a lot of ways I think it was a stronger plot than last season, even if I sometimes found myself more "in the weeds" trying to understand all of the moving pieces of it. As far as the actors, I really felt like Rachel McAdams was the best of the bunch, her portrayal of Ani reflected both the strength and vulnerability the part needed. Vince Vaughn was surprisingly good as frustrated gangster/businessman Frank Semyon, though now that I reflect on it it's maybe not that different from a lot comedic parts he has played where he is the frustrated/on edge guy; Vaughn won't win an Emmy for the part, and he shouldn't, but he's definitely shown he can play characters outside of comedic roles. The most disappointing actor of the bunch for me was Taylor Kitsch, I never really felt like he was able to emote anything with any believability; even when he was crying it didn't seem like he was really feeling anything. I've only seen Kitsch in the terrible John Carter, so I'm not really sure if he's just a bad actor or if this was bad writing and directing for the part; and the part did have a lot heaped on it, not only a closeted gay man but an ex mercenary from Afghanistan.
Next location? I'd love to see something set in the Seattle area, where I live; but I could also see the northeast being a potential target, the show seems to want to avoid setting itself in traditional big cities where there's lots of federal interest to screw with the occultism.
What an absolute turd of an ending. I was really rooting for the show after last week and there was a real sense that it could wrap up splendidly but in the end we see what a real piece of swiss cheese the entire story was.
Maybe Pizzolotto will come back down to reality and write something good next season. If there is one.
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Darwin18
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One of the better synopsis I've seen for this season: http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/true-detective-season-2-episode-8-omega-station/
If there is a Season 3 HBO very much needs to a director to reign in Pizzolatto. This season was not one that I enjoyed. I found the story line confusing, choppy, and even though I watched every episode I still had to turn to a guide to figure out what was going on. And even then, I still found it to be confusing and rushed. It could have been great if the show was a 14 or 16 episode season but it was far too much packed into far too little time. Because the plot was so confusing I was not invested in the show and could have cared less about Frank or Ray's deaths, which seemed totally pointless. The Mexicans...really?
If there is a Season 3 HBO very much needs to a director to reign in Pizzolatto. This season was not one that I enjoyed. I found the story line confusing, choppy, and even though I watched every episode I still had to turn to a guide to figure out what was going on. And even then, I still found it to be confusing and rushed. It could have been great if the show was a 14 or 16 episode season but it was far too much packed into far too little time. Because the plot was so confusing I was not invested in the show and could have cared less about Frank or Ray's deaths, which seemed totally pointless. The Mexicans...really?
I was on board until 10 minutes in and then I knew it was going downhill from there. They really set the stage for a fantastic finish with Episode 7 and then dropped the ball big time.
I'm always annoyed when I invest 2 months on a show filled with tired cliches. I had high hopes and it wasn't until the full scope of the show was out in the open that I realized that, ultimately, I was bamboozled.
Well, in a certain sense I got why the Mexicans were the ones to get him. The whole time Frank had been disregarding them, viewing them as unimportant to the larger scheme of things, but in the end they got him precisely because he wasn't focused on them. With the Russians out of the way (thanks to Frank and Ray) there's nobody to oppose their takeover of Vinci.
