Double IPA Trillium Vicinity Clone

[stonebrewer]

If they're 400 micron like yours, that would be great.

Here are a couple of places...I think MoreBeer and others carry these as well:

http://www.homebrewing.org/Corny-Keg-Dip-Tube-Screen_p_2091.html

https://www.amazon.com/KegWorks-Homebrew-Hops-Filter-Screen/dp/B006FX4ZCK

http://www.austinhomebrew.com/Dip-Tube-Screen_p_4768.html&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping?gclid=CjwKEAjw19vABRCY2YmkpO2OzTsSJAAzEt8sXardeAeYdS1LwebwyfzN4_9b_2LSGdKyXX5DmKqBfxoCrorw_wcB

 

[daygobrewer]

Here are a couple of places...I think MoreBeer and others carry these as well:

http://www.homebrewing.org/Corny-Keg-Dip-Tube-Screen_p_2091.html

https://www.amazon.com/KegWorks-Homebrew-Hops-Filter-Screen/dp/B006FX4ZCK

http://www.austinhomebrew.com/Dip-Tube-Screen_p_4768.html&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping?gclid=CjwKEAjw19vABRCY2YmkpO2OzTsSJAAzEt8sXardeAeYdS1LwebwyfzN4_9b_2LSGdKyXX5DmKqBfxoCrorw_wcB

You already mention this in the OP, but I wanted to confirm your process.

Your dip tube screen allows you to add loose hops to your keg without any clogging issues? Are you using whole leaf or pellet? Any issues with clogging? The screens linked to suggest using with whole leaf, and not pellets.

I would like to move my dry hopping into the serving keg, where I could carbonate/dry hop for 3 days, and then move the keg into the fridge to prevent overextraction and the beer would be carbed and ready to go. My big concern is clogging the dip tube and either off gassing the beer or exposing it to oxygen in the process of unclogging it. I've seen that some people are fitting the dip tube inside a stainless steel dry hop filter, but that requires shortening the dip tube and would result losing product when kegging non-dry hopped beers.

I'm currently brewing 2.5 gallon batches and dry hopping in the fermenter. My aroma starts to die down after a week or so in the keg, but thankfully these smaller batches are finished quickly. Still, I think dry hopping in the keg would take it to the next level.

Any advice you wouldn't mind sharing would be greatly appreciated!

 

[stonebrewer]

I rarely use leaf hop anymore...I started out using only leaf but switched to pellets for a number of reasons (storage requirements, grassy notes, and better hop extraction to name a few). I put pellet hops right in the keg and with these screens have not had a problem with clogs...YET! I don't want to guarantee it will not happen, but so far with about 7-8 kegs of hoppy goodness, I have not had an issue. I tried the cutting back the dip tube and using a SS filter basket approach...clogged badly. After switching to the dip tub covers I have yet to clog. YMMV...hope this helps!

 

[daygobrewer]

I rarely use leaf hop anymore...I started out using only leaf but switched to pellets for a number of reasons (storage requirements, grassy notes, and better hop extraction to name a few). I put pellet hops right in the keg and with these screens have not had a problem with clogs...YET! I don't want to guarantee it will not happen, but so far with about 7-8 kegs of hoppy goodness, I have not had an issue. I tried the cutting back the dip tube and using a SS filter basket approach...clogged badly. After switching to the dip tub covers I have yet to clog. YMMV...hope this helps!

Ditto on the pellet hops.

How many ounces are you adding to the keg?

I'm surprised to hear the SS basket didn't work for you. That seems to be the most common method posted. I actually already have one of the dip tube screens, but I'm unsure if it's as effective at filtering as your 400 micron screen. The holes on the filter seem larger than a 400 micron mesh. It's the same as this one:

Do those holes seem larger than the mesh you're using for your filter? I'm hesitant to try it out in fear that I'll get a clog.

At any rate, it's inspiring to hear that a dip tube filter has been adequate for you. Maybe you should start selling your mesh filters?

 

[stonebrewer]

The mesh on mine seems smaller, but those are some small holes and I would think that you would be okay. I add up to a pound into the keg, usually at least half a pound on a Trillium clone. I have been really pleased with these little mesh filters not clogging up the works so far. I don't think it would be cost effective for me to make them, but thanks for the idea! I'll post a picture when I have a little more free time so you can compare.

 

[daygobrewer]

The mesh on mine seems smaller, but those are some small holes and I would think that you would be okay. I add up to a pound into the keg, usually at least half a pound on a Trillium clone. I have been really pleased with these little mesh filters not clogging up the works so far. I don't think it would be cost effective for me to make them, but thanks for the idea! I'll post a picture when I have a little more free time so you can compare.

Sounds like I'll just have to give it a go then. I'll brew something easy and dry hop with some lower cost hops. If I get poor results, no big deal.

If you have a chance, that would be great. Very interested to see your design.

 

[grassfeeder]

I just don't understand the need for keg hopping?? why not just adequately dry hop and transfer under pressure to a purged keg? Should be able to get all you need from that.

 

[stonebrewer]

I just don't understand the need for keg hopping?? why not just adequately dry hop and transfer under pressure to a purged keg? Should be able to get all you need from that.

When you ferment and serve from kegs, that is the only place you can dry hop...

 

[BASSBBQANDBEER]

This might sound amateur to some but does anybody have a partial mash recipe of the Trillium Vicinity?

 

[j1laskey]

You can also find Trillium's FPPA recipe in BYO's 20th anniversary issue, with some notes from JC.

I made that beer many times, its fantastic.

 

[stonebrewer]

You can also find Trillium's FPPA recipe in BYO's 20th anniversary issue, with some notes from JC.

I made that beer many times, its fantastic.

I wish I had that issue! Guess I could order it online, right?

 

[j1laskey]

Cheers! View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1479088340.662622.jpg

 

[makubex]

Weird that the recipe lists Wyeast 1098 instead of 1318.

I'm afraid I like 1318 too much to change. However if one of you tries it, please report back. I'd be really curious to hear how this recipe differs with 1098 as I have no experience with that yeast.

 

[stonebrewer]

Weird that the recipe lists Wyeast 1098 instead of 1318.

I'm afraid I like 1318 too much to change. However if one of you tries it, please report back. I'd be really curious to hear how this recipe differs with 1098 as I have no experience with that yeast.

It's the same as WLP007 which JC told me to use as well via a conversation on BA...I have used both and I can't tell a huge difference, though I slightly prefer 1098...

 

[makubex]

Got it. Didn't realize that the two were somewhat similar strains.

 

[BASSBBQANDBEER]

First of all thank you stonebrewer for sharing your recipe!

So I adjusted the Trillium Vicinity Double IPA All Grain recipe into a Partial Mash (extract) so I can brew it this weekend. This is what I came up and plan on brewing this weekend. I know I won’t nail it but I’m hoping to land some where in the same continent. But hey, you never know unless you try?

Trillium Vicinity Double IPA

Recipe Type: Partial Mash Extract

Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.074
Final Gravity: 1.014

Yeast
Wyeast 1318 London Ale III

Water
5.5 gallons of Arrowhead Mountain Spring Water
5.5 grams of Calcium Chloride

Mash/Malt
6.6 lbs. Pilsen Malt Extract Syrup (2 x 3.3 lbs)
2 lbs.12 oz. Pilsner (2 Row) Ger (2.0 SRM)
2 lbs. 4 oz. Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM)
8.0 oz. Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)
8.0 oz. Caramel C15 (15.0 SRM)

Hops
0.50 oz. Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min 21.2 IBUs
1.00 oz. Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 10.0 min 15.4 IBUs
3.00 oz. Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 0.0 min 0.0 IBUs (chill to 170 before pitching hops into whirlpool)

Other Boil Ingredients
11.2 oz. Corn Sugar (Dextrose) (0.0 SRM) 4.7 %
1.00 tsp Yeast Nutrients (Boil 10.0 mins)

Dry Hops
5.00 oz Galaxy [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days 0.0 IBUs
2.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days 0.0 IBUs
1.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days 0.0 IBUs

I’ll be bottling this at the end of fermentation.

Here goes nothing.

 

[stonebrewer]

So it wasn't off gassing. It was still full of sugar (honey, actually)! And I, like a rookie brewer, decided to rush and not take a gravity reading. I poured a glass of sugar beer and decided to pull it out of the kegerator, hook a spunding valve up, put it in my temperature chamber, and flew off to Hawaii for a few weeks. Got back last week, just now getting "normal" and popped it back in the kegerator. First pour was all yeast (last night). Tonight, after running to IKEA to satisfy family needs, I came home, sat down, and poured myself a beer...then another...then another. WOW! This is so damned good! It could use some more dry hops (I lost track and may not have done all the dry hopping I planned!!), but I would put this up against Trillium's Artaic (now cutting tiles) any day. Great nose, flavor is spot on, and hoppy as anything I would buy in VT or MA! Lovin' these NE homebrewed IPA's everyone!

So I decided back a few months ago to dry hop this beer some more and (gulp) forgot about it. I got really busy with work and family and the other night rediscovered over a half keg of this when cleaning up the brewery in preparation for brewing some bigger beers (a quad and a dopplebock). It was really over carbonated and in a keg without a PRV, so I cleaned a keg and transferred it over to one with a PRV, release some CO2, and popped it into the kegerator. WOW! Really hoppy, a bit boozy as it still had some yeast and honey so the ABV has gone up even more. Hard to believe this IIPA was brewed on 3 SEPT and is still so hoppy!! Beautiful nose, aromatic, hoppy on the tongue and dangerous in quantity! Think if I brew this again, I would drop the honey from 2 lbs to 1 or 1.5, but other than that this is a fantastic beer! Cheers all!!

 

[marjen]

@j1laskey - Thanks for posting that picture above. I am just getting into beer making and I am going to try that recipe in a couple weeks. I am going to make a galaxy version however as that is one of my favorite beers. I also am thinking of subbing Light DME for the Golden LME. Other than that I am shooting for everything else JC. wrote. Hopefully the first go ends up drinkable.

 

[Kbrewhop]

What kind of yeast do you use for this?

 

[stonebrewer]

See first post for all the details:

Yeast: Wyeast 1318 London Ale III

You could also use WLP007...

 

[Kbrewhop]

Believe it or not, it's not on the first post at all. Now that I've skimmed I found it halfway down the second page, thanks! I had those as my first guesses but you never know.

 

[stonebrewer]

Believe it or not, it's not on the first post at all. Now that I've skimmed I found it halfway down the second page, thanks! I had those as my first guesses but you never know.

Second line of the first post...I cut and pasted that in my prior post??

 

[degivens]

Interesting thread, I might give this one a whirl. I just had a fresh cutting tiles - el dorado and it blew my mind. Also love vicinity.

Have you ever tried the dial-in series? I would love to figure out how much wine they put in those, because they are excellent!

 

[stonebrewer]

@degivens - I have tried them and they are really good. They do not use wine, they use grape must (juice). Hoping to be up that way next week and score some cans! I don't know how much they use, but feel free to email JC! He was very helpful when I wanted some tips on this beer...

 

[degivens]

@degivens - I have tried them and they are really good. They do not use wine, they use grape must (juice). Hoping to be up that way next week and score some cans! I don't know how much they use, but feel free to email JC! He was very helpful when I wanted some tips on this beer...

Ahhh I gotcha. Crazy that the head brewer of a baller place like that would take time to respond to e-mails, that's awesome though! Definitely will give it a try.

 

[stonebrewer]

Morphed this recipe again last night into a Congress Street clone by tweaking a few things (Pale instead of Pils, Galaxy and Columbus). Hoping it comes out okay as I noticed the starter did not smell right AFTER I pitched it. Had been running it on the stir plate for a couple of weeks (forgot about it...gulp!) and pitched it even though I thought about using starters already made up and in the fridge. Took a whiff off the flask afterwards and it smelled sour. Oh well, it was a 2.5G batch, so if I have to do it again, it will be quick and easy to replicate. :fro:

 

[stonebrewer]

Forgot to comment here on the above post. So after I brewed the above, I decided not to take a chance and brewed the exact same thing a few days later. I tapped that about a month ago and am really happy with it. Closed fermentation, transferred to a keg that was filled with water and purged with CO2, lots of hops in the fermenter. Came out really nice! Aroma is better than most of my IPAs...not quite where some of the Trillium beers are, but close enough for homebrew! Once this kicks, I will put the suspect batch on gas and see how it turned out. It was not fermented under pressure, but I will do the keg purging again!! I have had a few IPAs turn disgustingly brown which I attribute to an improperly purged keg AND the low 2.5G size of these batches causing a lot of oxidation. I have been drinking this beer for about a month and it is the same color as the first pour. Cheers!

 

[grassfeeder]

Interesting about the Fort Point Clone in BYO. I wouldn't imagine there being a 10 minute addition, if there is I could see it being a large dose that compensates for the 60 minute. Also surprised to see the amount of Columbus. I can see that for bittering additions but would think it would be a 4:1 Citra Columbus from there on out.

 

[stonebrewer]

@grassfeeder - I definitely get some of that Columbus aroma and flavor in Fort Point. Not as much in the DDH version, but in the original it is pretty evident. Hope they have that on tap in a few weeks when I will be up there again! Cheers!

 

[grassfeeder]

@grassfeeder - I definitely get some of that Columbus aroma and flavor in Fort Point. Not as much in the DDH version, but in the original it is pretty evident. Hope they have that on tap in a few weeks when I will be up there again! Cheers!

I haven't had the non-DDH version in a while, in fact I haven't seen many non-DDH versions of anything for a while. Maybe that's why I don't recall that much late. Has anyone given this recipe a try as-is and as stated and done a side by side?