American Pale Ale Three Floyds Zombie Dust Clone

[BrewFry22]

Brewed almost 10 days ago and after reading revvys post about 4 weeks in the primary I'm considering not dry hopping until day 23. Thoughts?

I don't really see the point in waiting that long. I'm sure your primary fermentation is done and you are at your FG. I'd say dry hop soon and bottle 7 days after dry hopping.

 

[chato]

...when I brewed it a second time it ended up reeking of cat piss. Haven't touched Citra in a homebrew since, but it's one of my favorite hops in commercial brews. Anyone else have the catty issue with this? Thinking of subbing out the FWH.

I got that 'cat piss' thing going in my ZD batch too. It wasn't too bad, but was definitely there. When you first pour it into the glass the aroma is amazing, all tropical fruit...but after about 5 minutes, the cat piss starts creeping in. Doesn't affect the taste, just the aroma. The ZD Clone still came out awesome and it did fairly well in a side-by side tasting with the real ZD. I also had the same reaction...not wanting to brew with Citra after the cat piss.

 

[gregorybriscoe]

I don't really see the point in waiting that long. I'm sure your primary fermentation is done and you are at your FG. I'd say dry hop soon and bottle 7 days after dry hopping.

I think the point of doing the primary that long was clarity

 

[Jrock817]

So now that this has been sessions a few times I have a few observations. I made this beer slightly stronger, just because I always do. Also, the citra hops do not add a whole lot of bite when used as the bittering hop. This makes the beer very unique, and I have not tried the original. Next time I brew this, I'm going to add a small amount of a high alpha, just to get some bite in the beginning. Overall, one of my favorite beers, and a sure staple from now on.

 

[BL41R]

We did a full four weeks in the primary. Dry hopped at day 23.
This beer turned out AMAZING

 

[TrickyDick]

I was just curious about changing the aroma hops timings and amounts and moving some to hop steep to maximize aroma. But now I think I'm leaning towards brewing as is. Still undecided.

I agree. I think a long steeping time of 30-45 minutes at 180°F would be a great change.



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[TrickyDick]

I was just curious about changing the aroma hops timings and amounts and moving some to hop steep to maximize aroma. But now I think I'm leaning towards brewing as is. Still undecided.

I agree. I think a long steeping time of 30-45 minutes at 180°F would be a great change.



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[IvanBrew]

I got that 'cat piss' thing going in my ZD batch too. It wasn't too bad, but was definitely there. When you first pour it into the glass the aroma is amazing, all tropical fruit...but after about 5 minutes, the cat piss starts creeping in. Doesn't affect the taste, just the aroma. The ZD Clone still came out awesome and it did fairly well in a side-by side tasting with the real ZD. I also had the same reaction...not wanting to brew with Citra after the cat piss.

Out of curiosity, any chance this is light-strike? Were you outdoors on a sunny day drinking out of a clear glass?

 

[mtnagel]

I agree. I think a long steeping time of 30-45 minutes at 180°F would be a great change.



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Now you tell me!

I brewed what was in the original post this time. Next time I'll experiment with it. Pretty much what I do when I cook with a new recipe too.

 

[TrickyDick]

I did ten gallons last spring. Still have some left actually. I thought it was good but not as awesome as some describe. I think the hop character would benefit from a long steep, but that just my opinion.

TD


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[HopinJim]

Made this and just kegged it this past week, and it is awesome. Made a couple of adjustments...used Cara-Pils/Dextrine instead of carafoam, US-05 instead of S-04, and I changed up the hop charge as follows:
.25oz each of Warrior, Citra and Nelson Sauvin @ 60min
.5oz Citra @ 20min
.5oz Nelson Sauvin @ 15min
.75oz Citra @ 5min
.5oz each of Citra, Amarillo and Nelson Sauvin @ 1min
Dry hopped with 1oz each of Citra, Amarillo and Nelson Sauvin for 7 days after 2 weeks in the primary. Just tossed them in for a week.

Super tropical fruits in the nose, lots of citrus and tropicals in the taste, and a smooth bitterness, not too sharp at all. Even with the US-05, I still get a touch of malt sweetness around the edges. Not at all dry. I've made several IPA's, and I think this one is the best yet! ABV came in right at 7%.

 

[gregorybriscoe]

Just put into secondary and I guess stirred things up a bit.

 

[zardozap]

Made this and just kegged it this past week, and it is awesome. Made a couple of adjustments...used Cara-Pils/Dextrine instead of carafoam, US-05 instead of S-04, and I changed up the hop charge as follows:
.25oz each of Warrior, Citra and Nelson Sauvin @ 60min
.5oz Citra @ 20min
.5oz Nelson Sauvin @ 15min
.75oz Citra @ 5min
.5oz each of Citra, Amarillo and Nelson Sauvin @ 1min
Dry hopped with 1oz each of Citra, Amarillo and Nelson Sauvin for 7 days after 2 weeks in the primary. Just tossed them in for a week.

Super tropical fruits in the nose, lots of citrus and tropicals in the taste, and a smooth bitterness, not too sharp at all. Even with the US-05, I still get a touch of malt sweetness around the edges. Not at all dry. I've made several IPA's, and I think this one is the best yet! ABV came in right at 7%.

Done several variations by tweaking the grain and hops. This is a solid recipe, and makes a great IPA no matter what little changes are made. :rockin:

 

[pedimac]

Done several variations by tweaking the grain and hops. This is a solid recipe, and makes a great IPA no matter what little changes are made. :rockin:

Me too. I've made an all citra, all centennial, citra/centennial, citra/chinook/warrior/Amarillo. Great recipe and base. I do prefer s05 for this recipe for personal tastes, but I do agree it isn't a "clone" with 05. I'm also still learning all the different flavors of individual hops.

 

[Rendomike]

I got that 'cat piss' thing going in my ZD batch too. It wasn't too bad, but was definitely there. When you first pour it into the glass the aroma is amazing, all tropical fruit...but after about 5 minutes, the cat piss starts creeping in. Doesn't affect the taste, just the aroma. The ZD Clone still came out awesome and it did fairly well in a side-by side tasting with the real ZD. I also had the same reaction...not wanting to brew with Citra after the cat piss.

Mine was also in the aroma; however, it was so overpowering that I couldn't drink it. After sitting in the keg a couple months and then dry-hopped with Amarillo, it become drinkable and somewhat tasty.

 

[Rendomike]

Out of curiosity, any chance this is light-strike? Were you outdoors on a sunny day drinking out of a clear glass?

I wish! I'm living in England and this was during the fall / winter.

 

[gcdowd]

Pardon me for not reading through the entire thread but I'm making this this weekend and my lhbs did not have London esb yeast so I opted for Wyeast 1098 British Ale. Anyone use that? Is it a good substitute?

 

[LuciferSam]

Yes used 1098 works great!


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[LuciferSam]

Use a 2L starter and a blow off tube, my first blew up...


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[gcdowd]

Did a 1.5L starter, so far so good. Thanks for the reply

 

[danorocks17]

FINALLY brewed this today. I'm excited to see how it turns out

 

[ljames]

Bottled this weekend. Looking forward to drinking this in a few weeks. Smelled delicious while bottling!


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[kamk]

Has any one dried hop this in a keg ?


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[skeezerpleezer]

Has any one dried hop this in a keg ?


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Yes.

 

[kamk]

Yes.

Did you use pellets? Or leaf? How long can the dust last ? Sorry just new to kegging?


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[thaymond]

Yes.

Just tried my sample. Deeelicious. I'm thinking of dry hopping in the keg and then carbing it up. Any other way than a hop bag with marbles to keep out the hop sludge from the final product?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

I used pellets in a hop bag. The first glass has a lot of sludge, but it clears out ok. Never really had to worry about it getting old yet.

 

[gcdowd]

Btw, so far this is the most delicious smelling ferment I've had yet, and I've been brewing for 3 years. Wow, this smells amazing

 

[gregorybriscoe]

how much priming sugar?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

how much priming sugar?

That will depend on several things such as your volume to be bottled, desired CO2 volumes, and temperature. There are lots of calculators online.