American Pale Ale Three Floyds Zombie Dust Clone

[proink]

And it will affect hop utilization

More or less "bitter" splitting DME?

 

[skeezerpleezer]

The later you add the DME the less bittering hops required.

 

[ljames]

Is 7-10 day primary, 7 day dry hop and 3 week carb in bottles still the norm?


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[mtnagel]

That would work. I'm planning 5 days primary, 5 days dry hop and then keg assuming the gravity at terminal.

 

[proink]

I was planning on 10 days in primary, 14 days in secondary (last 10 days dry hop). Then keg.
Isn't this kinda what the recipe calls for?
I want this to turn out awesome, so I want to do everything like the original recipe calls for. But, I am open for suggestions if anyone knows anything better to make this taste like ZD! I've only had it a few times (since I live in PA), but it's one of the best beers I've ever had!!

 

[mtnagel]

The AG recipe's dry hop was lowered to 5-7 days. New thinking is that is long enough. Find the Kimmach video where he says 4 days. Also most believe secondary isn't necessary for a beer like this. Just dry hop in the primary. And if you have a healthy fermentation, it should be done in 7-14 days. For hoppy beers you want to drink them as soon as possible, so the quicker you package the quicker you can drink it.

 

[jaydog2314]

brewed up version 3.0 today, love this recipe! missed my starting gravity by a bit, came in at 1.062 instead of 1.068. shouldn't be too noticeable. this has been a crowd favorite the last 2 batches!

 

[proink]

The AG recipe's dry hop was lowered to 5-7 days. New thinking is that is long enough. Find the Kimmach video where he says 4 days. Also most believe secondary isn't necessary for a beer like this. Just dry hop in the primary. And if you have a healthy fermentation, it should be done in 7-14 days. For hoppy beers you want to drink them as soon as possible, so the quicker you package the quicker you can drink it.

Thanks for the update, much appreciated!!

 

[proink]

Oops, saw you said AG, I am doing a PM, does this still apply?

 

[mtnagel]

Yep, there would be no difference.

 

[proink]

Any recommendations on kegging? What psi' s to start, how many days? What psi to keep at for drinking?

 

[mtnagel]

You want about 2.4 vol CO2 so use this chart to find 2.4 and your temp to find the PSI needed.

 

[mister704]

So please let me know what you all think. This is what I decided to order since Labelpeelers does not have carafoam or melanoidin malt.

Briess Pale Ale 2 Row malt (3.5L or 1.8L??? They have both)
Briess Munich Malt 10L
Briess Carapils Malt - instead of carafoam
Briess Caramel/Crystal 60L
Dingemans Aromatic Malt 15L - instead of melanoidin 20 srm
Safale S-04 yeast
Citra Hop Pellets

Does this sound ok? I used brewtoad's lovibond to srm converter to make sure the colors still were on track.

 

[sj3324]

So please let me know what you all think. This is what I decided to order since Labelpeelers does not have carafoam or melanoidin malt.

Briess Pale Ale 2 Row malt (3.5L or 1.8L??? They have both)
Briess Munich Malt 10L
Briess Carapils Malt - instead of carafoam
Briess Caramel/Crystal 60L
Dingemans Aromatic Malt 15L - instead of melanoidin 20 srm
Safale S-04 yeast
Citra Hop Pellets

Does this sound ok? I used brewtoad's lovibond to srm converter to make sure the colors still were on track.

I have made those same substitutions before. Everything came out fine. Carapils and Carafoam are the same thing, Carafoam is Weyermanns Carapils is Briess

 

[Weezy]

Carapils is not the same as carafoam. Carafoam is a true crystal malt, adding sweetness as well as the carapils dextrins. You could call it Crystal 2L. This is a pretty noticeable change. If you have some C10, I'd sub the carafom, 50:50 for carapils & C10.

Aromatic vs. Melanoidin are also different. Melanoidin gives richer malty flavor. But the change won't kill the beer.

I have a spinoff version going now using the same grain bill but with some simcoe at 60, and a bunch of simcoe, citra, Chinook at flameout.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Carapils is not the same as carafoam. Carafoam is a true crystal malt, adding sweetness as well as the carapils dextrins. You could call it Crystal 2L. This is a pretty noticeable change. If you have some C10, I'd sub the carafom, 50:50 for carapils & C10.



Aromatic vs. Melanoidin are also different. Melanoidin gives richer malty flavor. But the change won't kill the beer.



I have a ZD clone going now but with some simcoe at 60, and a bunch of simcoe, citra, Chinook at flameout.

Do you have a source for FFF using Simcoe and chinook at flameout? I don't get those flavors in ZD.

 

[Weezy]

Nope. Sorry to be confusing. i edited that last post. I'm just using your grain bill. The hop schedule is my concoction. I brew with different hops everytime...for the fun of it.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Ok. I do that also.i like the grain bill

 

[bcunning82]

I am looking at brewing to tomorrow. I have a few questions for the partial mash/extract version of this. I plan on doing a full boil which should allow me to remove the 60 min hop addition.
My concerns/thoughts are with the FWH and the boil time.
FWH:
If I do a FWH with this method I would think that the best way of mimicking a true AG FWH would be to partial mash and rinse grain, add to the remaining boil volume water that is preheated to 160ish then add the FWH to the full boil volume and let it heat up to a boil. Does this sound legit?
Boil time:
With the FWH the longest hop boil is 15 min addition. Does this mean you only boil for 15 min? Or do you still boil 60 and just add hops at 15,10,5 and 1?

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[ljames]

I am looking at brewing to tomorrow. I have a few questions for the partial mash/extract version of this. I plan on doing a full boil which should allow me to remove the 60 min hop addition.

My concerns/thoughts are with the FWH and the boil time.

FWH:

If I do a FWH with this method I would think that the best way of mimicking a true AG FWH would be to partial mash and rinse grain, add to the remaining boil volume water that is preheated to 160ish then add the FWH to the full boil volume and let it heat up to a boil. Does this sound legit?

Boil time:

With the FWH the longest hop boil is 15 min addition. Does this mean you only boil for 15 min? Or do you still boil 60 and just add hops at 15,10,5 and 1?



Any input would be appreciated.

Boil 60 mins, follow recipes hop schedule and you'll be fine.


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[Rendomike]

Giving this another shot this week. First AG recipe I did was this, but when I brewed it a second time it ended up reeking of cat piss. Haven't touched Citra in a homebrew since, but it's one of my favorite hops in commercial brews. Anyone else have the catty issue with this? Thinking of subbing out the FWH.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

Different Citra is known to have different flavors and aroma.

 

[mtnagel]

Dry hop day. Gravity is 1.013 after 5 days in primary. Sample tasted amazing. I'll move to keg in 4-5 days.

(I scaled recipe to 5.25 gal, that's why I'm using 2.6 oz.)

 

[ljames]

Dry hop day. Gravity is 1.013 after 5 days in primary. Sample tasted amazing. I'll move to keg in 4-5 days.

(I scaled recipe to 5.25 gal, that's why I'm using 2.6 oz.)

Nice! I'll be dry hopping later today. Gotta spend time with SWMBO first.


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[fireslayer]

Going to try this recipe. Looking for a great spring/summer beer. Is the recipe on the first page the current recipe? Thanks


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[mtnagel]

Nice! I'll be dry hopping later today. Gotta spend time with SWMBO first.


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Beer comes first here!

 

[ljames]

Dry hopping now. My gawd was the sample delicious, mango and grapefruit! OG was 1.063 and finished at 1.012 after 7 days. Gotta say hats off to skeezer! If the finished product is as good as the sample this will be a regular in my fridge.

 

[Komodo]

Brew last Sunday and pitched S-04 into 13G of 1.059 with O2, the heavy ferment slowed by Wednesday, but it's still clicking along. Today it has slowed a lot, and gravity is at 1.012 now. Dry hopping with 3oz Citra, 2oz Aussie Summer, and 1oz Motueka. I think I was aiming at a sub 6% beer, so I'm considering a small dilution since it looks like I'm at 6.5%?

Looks like I'm at 6.1% abv so I'll leave it alone. The surprising thing is that S04 has hit the 80% apparent attenuation mark. I know my mash temp ended at 151F, but I didn't take measurements after 15 mins into the mash like I usually do. Knowing my gear and heat loses, it was probably 153F at the beginning.

 

[gregorybriscoe]

Brewed almost 10 days ago and after reading revvys post about 4 weeks in the primary I'm considering not dry hopping until day 23. Thoughts?

 

[jaydog2314]

no need to wait 23 days at all. i brewed last Thursday and plan on giving it about 10 days. i usually do 10-14 primary tops. i'm sure if you did a gravity check are you prob already at FG. S-04 ferments quickly from my experience.