American Pale Ale Three Floyds Zombie Dust Clone

[hopzicle]

I am also confused by the "first wort hop" in the recipe. On the all grain recipe the first addition of hops is with 15 minutes remaining correct? Then what does"0.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (First Wort Hop) Hops 17.0 IBU" mean? Thank you for clarification, I read through the thread but could not find an answer.

 

[wegz15]

Fwh means throw them in the kettle while you collect wort from mlt

 

[mikeyr4444]

Thanks for the recipe Skeezer!

The results:

 

[PJM]

This is a fantastic recipe. Gets even better with a little age. Have never had the original but can't imagine it being any better than this. Such a unique taste. Thanks so much for the recipe.

 

[hopzicle]

Fwh means throw them in the kettle while you collect wort from mlt

Thank you. I did some research on FWH after reading this and decided to use it in my brew. Got a batch in the primary right now!

 

[ajohnson153]

Finally got around to brewing this up yesterday. I added the DME with the 10 and 5 minute hop additions. It smelled fantastic as I put it in the fermenter. I got an OG reading of 0.070 (That could be wildly inaccurate as I was in a hurry at that point. SWMBO called on her way home from work and her car had overheated so I was rushing to get this finished up so I could go deal with that). Other than that the brew went smoothly. Those citra hops smell fantastic. I picked up a sixer of Sierra Nevada Torpedo just to kind of get an idea of what this hop tastes like. It's damn tast can't wait for this to be done.

 

[ajohnson153]

Ok, so 24 hours in and we have airlock activity. Took a big ol' whiff of the airlock and holy grapefruits batman! I'm hoping for some mango flavor or maybe something else tropical, I don't know but if the taste follows the nose then this is going to be one hell of a beer.

 

[Deekay]

Hey Guys!

I'm so exited to get started on this one! This is my first post as well and my first home-brew and will be doing this wonderful beer with my Dad. I was quite fortunate to score a six-pack of ZD on eBay and the Beer is AWESOME!. I have a few left in the fridge to compare with our final results. So i was hoping you guys can give me some pointers.

I will doing the extract version batch as my first brew. Here is my concern.

I have a 10 gallon kettle so i can do a full 5gallon boil.

Beersmith tells me the following based on the formula:

Batch: 5 gal
Boil Volume: 5.70 gal

1.00 lb Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 11.8 %
0.50 lb Carafoam (2.0 SRM) Grain 5.9 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.9 %
0.50 lb Melanoiden Malt (20.0 SRM) Grain 5.9 %
0.75 oz Citra [12.40%] (First Wort Hop) Hops 12.5 IBU
6.00 lb Extra Light Dry Extract (3.0 SRM) Dry Extract 70.6 %
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (15 min) Hops 12.4 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (10 min) Hops 9.1 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (5 min) Hops 5.0 IBU
1.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (1 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
3.00 oz Citra [12.40%] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1 packet SafAle English Ale (S-04)

And will use a full 1 ounce of citra on the FWH instead of (0.75).

I removed the Extra Oz of Citra @ 60min since I'm doing a full 5g boil as stated on the recipe but wont that eliminate my bittering hop stage?.
Now I'm not sure why Beersmith says i will need 7.76 gallons of water for this recipe. What?? I'm assuming i should put 5.70 gallons on my kettle to begin grain steeping right?
And do i really need to dry hop for 10 days. Should it be 7 days be max?

Thanks Guys!

Every pointer can help us out a ton...

 

[MorningGloryBrew]

I don't use BeerSmith, so I can't say with certainty, but I'd guess it's adding additional water to account for hop loss/trub loss. With a hop bill this big, you're gonna leave a crap-ton of liquid behind going into the fermenter, and again going from the fermenter to your keg/bottling bucket.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

I usually do a 6 gallon post boil on this to account for trub loss and the loss to the dry hop and end with about 5g into the keg. The 1oz FWH will be fine, it will be your bittering. If doing a full boil, you dont need the 60min addition (you leave the FWH in for the whole boil). 7 days is fine for dryhop. I have actually been doing 2 dryhop additions lately in IPAs, splitting them in half, then going about 3-5 days per addition.

For your boil volume, there is a settingin beersmith for boil off rate. If this is your first brew, you probably don't know it. Make sure you keep record of your pre-boil and post boil so you can add this for future reference. My boil off rate is around 1.5g/hr, so if I am shooting for 5.5g, I usually start with 7g or so. That is outdoors on a turkey fryer. If you are on the stove, it will be lower.

 

[Deekay]

I usually do a 6 gallon post boil on this to account for trub loss and the loss to the dry hop and end with about 5g into the keg. The 1oz FWH will be fine, it will be your bittering. If doing a full boil, you dont need the 60min addition (you leave the FWH in for the whole boil). 7 days is fine for dryhop. I have actually been doing 2 dryhop additions lately in IPAs, splitting them in half, then going about 3-5 days per addition.

For your boil volume, there is a settingin beersmith for boil off rate. If this is your first brew, you probably don't know it. Make sure you keep record of your pre-boil and post boil so you can add this for future reference. My boil off rate is around 1.5g/hr, so if I am shooting for 5.5g, I usually start with 7g or so. That is outdoors on a turkey fryer. If you are on the stove, it will be lower.

Awesome that makes perfect sense!!! I'm definitely ready to rock and roll... :rockin:

Thanks Skeezer!

 

[Floydsview]

I am by no means a BeerSmith expert but the 5.7 gallon is a post boil volume. There is a cooling loss and a trub loss. This will get you to the 5 gallon range. The boil off rate is default at about 25% an hour. This will put you at about 7.6 gallons preboil.

 

[Xpertskir]

Just poured my first beer from this keg and this is my third time with this maltbill. Twice with citra and once with citra plus some friends. Ive used 3 yeasts, s-04, WLP002 and Dennys Favorite. This batch is all citra and Dennys Favorite and by far my favorite. I would HIGHLY recommend using Dennys Fav for this recipe, IMO it is even closer to 3Floyds than S04 and WLP002...and Ive drank cases of the real mccoy.

 

[ajohnson153]

Took a sample today and FG is hit and the taste is a whole lotta grapefruit. Can't wait to get this in secondary and dry hop.

 

[ajohnson153]

Well I racked it to secondary a few days ago, but I just put in the dry hops today. I had to time it so that in 10 days I would have time to bottle. I'm itchin' to get this bad boy bottled and carbed so I can start drinking it. The wonderful aroma is KILLING me!

 

[lemmiwinks]

Took a bit of a hiatus this summer from brewing as we're getting ready to welcome a new assistant brewer to the family in a few weeks but I've had too many requests for this from friends and familty. Scored a lb of Citra from my LHBS for $30 (still pricey imo, but if I want it looks like I gotta pay) and had most of the grain on hand so brewed up a new batch on Saturday.
It's happily bubbling away in my fermenter.

Off topic - ordered a pound of Chinook from Farmhouse over the weekend so I'm planning on doing a single hop IPA with that too. Will post in a new thread on the results.

 

[nullvalue]

Just brewed the extract/PM version of this past weekend. Don't mean to brag but pretty much nailed the OG with a reading 1.064. I did the 1 hour steep and kept the temp between 150-155 as close as possible. Fermenting away now in my basement and smelling awesome. I used a regular packet of the S04, I can't bring myself spend the extra money on those starter packs and never had a problem with pitching dry yeast.

 

[ajohnson153]

Bottled this up yesterday and of course tasted a sample. Wowzers, the whole kitchen smelled like I was cutting into a grapefruit. The bitterness was just where I wanted it with lots of grapefruit flavor. I will definitely be brewing this one again! I almost grabbed a bottle and drank it flat and warm it was so good. Thanks for the recipe!

 

[Xpertskir]

Got this boiling away as we speak, although this go around I'm doing an even split of southern cross and citra.

 

[AllHopAbandon]

Question about the FWH addition: if I plug this recipe into Beersmith I seem to end up with a whopping 92.5 IBU, and my FWH contributes 41.8 to the total. I come closer to 65 IBU if I treat the FWH addition as a 20 minute addition, as mentioned somewhere in this thread. Is the difference between calculated bitterness and perceived bitterness from FWH really this huge? Or is Beersmith wrong?

Since there's been no complaints about bitterness in this thread, I assume I can safely brew this without ending up with something completely unbalanced, I'm just a bit confused about the IBU difference and I need some reassurance I plan on brewing this tomorrow.

 

[skeezerpleezer]

It is a lot closer to 60 than 90.

 

[BrettV]

Yeah, if you follow the recipe there's no way you get 90 IBUs. Mine turned out citrusy and floral with very mild bitterness, probably somewhere in the 50s or 60s.

 

[Riseabovebb]

About to go another round with this brew. Came out phenomenally the first time and I was lucky enough to grab two lbs of Citra from the LHBS! Only weeks away from probably the best beer I've ever brewed!

 

[drunkmonk59]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned in a previous post.

In the interest of conserving some citra, has anyone tried this using a neutral bittering hop @60min and moved the FWH to 20min? I think I'll brew this one to the T on my first try, but would be interested in trying it with some magnum down the road and see how that goes.

 

[BAJones]

Thanks for the recipe Skeezer!

The results:

Are those printed caps? How did you do that?

 

[LAbrewer]

Where are you guys getting the citra from? Can't find it anywhere.

 

[nullvalue]

Where are you guys getting the citra from? Can't find it anywhere.

My LHBS carries it

 

[Knecht_Rupprecht]

Just brewed a partial mash version of this. Subbed out the first addition for Magnum. So while not a clone, I'm excited for the extra ounce of Citra I was able to split between 15, 10, and 5 minute additions.

Had an OG of 1.072, which Suprises me since this was my first PM. That said I am really happy about keeping my temp constant and am excited to dry hop in a week and half.

 

[lemmiwinks]

Bottled my newest go at this one.
It is by far mine and my hop-head friends favorite beer that I make.
Need to tinker with my grain bill as my efficiency jumped for the 60's to high 70's just switching to a bazooka tube.
This one is coming in hot at around 6.9%

 

[char005]

I don't think the extract version in beersmith accounts for getting any sugars out of the steeping grains. If you hold them at 150-155 or so until conversion, it is basically a mini-mash. Try changing beersmith from extract to PM.

steeping grains will not extract alot of sugar from specialty grains, no matter how long they are mashed because highly kilned specialty malts do not have they neccessary enzymes that a well modified base malt would have to convert the starches to sugar. If that's what you are looking to do, I would throw some 2 row in there and try doing your calculations based on a mini mash.