Yup, that's the one. It'll be funny if they give out the recipe for the ipa on it.
Thornbridge Jaipur IPA - yeast? Hops?
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Ha, it would although I doubt they'd/we'd give out the recipe to a beer that makes up nearly a third of our production.
Then again, a lot of the beer's err... strengths comes from our processes and technology. I was actually sipping on some earlier today from a tank that will be bottled this week (as it ran through the DO and CO2 meters)... delicious.
Then again, a lot of the beer's err... strengths comes from our processes and technology. I was actually sipping on some earlier today from a tank that will be bottled this week (as it ran through the DO and CO2 meters)... delicious.
It is delicious. About that, there is no doubt!
Nugent, have you tried you Jaipur since it finished? How is it? H
As a matter of fact, I will be drinking it on Saturday.
I put it in my cask and it's been conditioning for a few weeks. I primed it with a mild dextrose solution and some gelatine to try to clear it up. Just put it in my fermentation fridge at about 10C for a few days to get it to serving temperature. When I tried it out of the secondary, it was delicious. A touch fruitier and stronger booze-wise than Jaipur, but the same lovely hoppiness and nice malty backbone as the real thing. I will certainly give some feedback after Saturday, including a pic.
I'm really stoked. The head brewer at Russell Brewing, who like Thornbridge had some winning beers at the World Cup of Beer, will be there and I'll get an assessment. He knows Jaipur well and counts Thornbridge among his favourite breweries.
I put it in my cask and it's been conditioning for a few weeks. I primed it with a mild dextrose solution and some gelatine to try to clear it up. Just put it in my fermentation fridge at about 10C for a few days to get it to serving temperature. When I tried it out of the secondary, it was delicious. A touch fruitier and stronger booze-wise than Jaipur, but the same lovely hoppiness and nice malty backbone as the real thing. I will certainly give some feedback after Saturday, including a pic.
I'm really stoked. The head brewer at Russell Brewing, who like Thornbridge had some winning beers at the World Cup of Beer, will be there and I'll get an assessment. He knows Jaipur well and counts Thornbridge among his favourite breweries.
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It went very well! It was delicious and was well received by everyone at the event.
It was still a touch fruitier than bottled Jaipur, but the hop flavour was pretty much spot on - a great mix of citrus and pine. The bittering was very smooth and may people commented that they really liked the balance between the smooth bittering, the maltiness and the cask conditioning.
It was a bit of a different animal than the bottle-conditioned Jaipur because of the cask conditioning; obviously less fizzy and less 'refreshing' because of the lighter carbonation. Thinking that perhaps the fruitiness coming more forward might be due to the cask-conditioning that doesn't have as much of a carbonic nature that bottle-conditioning gives it.
Next time, I would try to hit my OG more precisely to bring the ABV down; this batch was up at about 6.3% and I would have prefered it to be a bit lighter. Beyond that, the simple grist bill and hopping profile/schedule made for an excellent IPA. Needless to say, the cask was empty when I left.
Thanks again, ChillWill, for all of your help and advice on this. The saccrification step-mashing technique and gradual hopping schedule for late hops have become part of my brewing technique for pale ales and IPAs as a result. When you're at work tomorrow, thank the lads and lasses at Thornbridge for making such great products.
It was still a touch fruitier than bottled Jaipur, but the hop flavour was pretty much spot on - a great mix of citrus and pine. The bittering was very smooth and may people commented that they really liked the balance between the smooth bittering, the maltiness and the cask conditioning.
It was a bit of a different animal than the bottle-conditioned Jaipur because of the cask conditioning; obviously less fizzy and less 'refreshing' because of the lighter carbonation. Thinking that perhaps the fruitiness coming more forward might be due to the cask-conditioning that doesn't have as much of a carbonic nature that bottle-conditioning gives it.
Next time, I would try to hit my OG more precisely to bring the ABV down; this batch was up at about 6.3% and I would have prefered it to be a bit lighter. Beyond that, the simple grist bill and hopping profile/schedule made for an excellent IPA. Needless to say, the cask was empty when I left.
Thanks again, ChillWill, for all of your help and advice on this. The saccrification step-mashing technique and gradual hopping schedule for late hops have become part of my brewing technique for pale ales and IPAs as a result. When you're at work tomorrow, thank the lads and lasses at Thornbridge for making such great products.
No problems buddy!
Cask Jaipur is generally more fruity than bottled, which tends to be more citrusy due to the dry hops we use (and serving temp difference).
Primarily I'm glad I've managed to help you improve your brewing process or steered you to some new techniques, it's much more important that I do that than simply say "follow this recipe" as that'll only get you 10% toward where you need to be... there's hardly anything crazy or unique about the recipes we do at the brewery, but the way in which we execute them is where we pick up the awards.
I'm about to get a lot busier anyway... 5 new 100hl tanks arrived last week (we could fit 10 brews into them!). Although as kegs and bottles are picking up in the UK they'll probably be used more for maturation than anything (we brew 6 or 7 times a week at the moment and that'll probably go up to 10 in due course).
Cask Jaipur is generally more fruity than bottled, which tends to be more citrusy due to the dry hops we use (and serving temp difference).
Primarily I'm glad I've managed to help you improve your brewing process or steered you to some new techniques, it's much more important that I do that than simply say "follow this recipe" as that'll only get you 10% toward where you need to be... there's hardly anything crazy or unique about the recipes we do at the brewery, but the way in which we execute them is where we pick up the awards.
I'm about to get a lot busier anyway... 5 new 100hl tanks arrived last week (we could fit 10 brews into them!). Although as kegs and bottles are picking up in the UK they'll probably be used more for maturation than anything (we brew 6 or 7 times a week at the moment and that'll probably go up to 10 in due course).
Hey Will, can you comment or help me out here?
My guess probably chinook as a 60 mins addition probably to the tune of 30-35 ibu, then a 30 mins addition of centennial and cascades, maybe another addition of centennial and cascades at either 10 or 15mins, and a big flame out/hopback addition.
I would say ibu of mid 50s-60s? So about 30ibus from a 60mins addition, then another 25-30ibus addition from a centennial/cascade blend at 30mins, or equal amount of that centennial/cascades blend to make up 25-30 ibus at both 30 and 15or10 mins (Need to play around with ur spreadsheets for this to get to the equal amount at 30 n 10/15mins), then at least double (My guess is about 3grams/litre) that amount of centennial/cascade blend with some chinook as well at flame out.
I think the malt are pretty spot on except munich in place of vienna and maybe some flaked or torrified wheat since its english?
4.80 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 83.48 %
0.35 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 6.09 %
0.35 kg Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 6.09 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 4.35 % *Optional
23.00 gm Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 30.8 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 8.7 IBU
20.00 gm Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) Hops 15.8 IBU
35.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
17.00 gm Chinook [13.00 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
35.00 gm Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
I'm probably talking nonsense anyway lol
My guess probably chinook as a 60 mins addition probably to the tune of 30-35 ibu, then a 30 mins addition of centennial and cascades, maybe another addition of centennial and cascades at either 10 or 15mins, and a big flame out/hopback addition.
I would say ibu of mid 50s-60s? So about 30ibus from a 60mins addition, then another 25-30ibus addition from a centennial/cascade blend at 30mins, or equal amount of that centennial/cascades blend to make up 25-30 ibus at both 30 and 15or10 mins (Need to play around with ur spreadsheets for this to get to the equal amount at 30 n 10/15mins), then at least double (My guess is about 3grams/litre) that amount of centennial/cascade blend with some chinook as well at flame out.
I think the malt are pretty spot on except munich in place of vienna and maybe some flaked or torrified wheat since its english?
4.80 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 83.48 %
0.35 kg Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 6.09 %
0.35 kg Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) Grain 6.09 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 4.35 % *Optional
23.00 gm Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 30.8 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 8.7 IBU
20.00 gm Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) Hops 15.8 IBU
35.00 gm Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
17.00 gm Chinook [13.00 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
35.00 gm Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
I'm probably talking nonsense anyway lol
Jaipur doesn't use wheat, Munich or any crystal.
You're right though, a lot of English breweries use wheat, especially torrified. When we use wheat, we usually use malted.
I'd use the recipe nugent used, or maybe ask him about how it came out and what changes he would make as it's got some practical application to a homebrewing setup.
You're right though, a lot of English breweries use wheat, especially torrified. When we use wheat, we usually use malted.
I'd use the recipe nugent used, or maybe ask him about how it came out and what changes he would make as it's got some practical application to a homebrewing setup.
I've been using the hopping schedule of a bittering addition at 60, followed by 15, 10, 5 and 0 additions of increasingly larger hop charges for a number of pale ales since brewing the Jaipur-esque IPA. I find that this schedule really makes for a complex, but smooth, hop flavour along with the desired bitter backbone. I highly recommend it.
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I always love to see commercial brewers on homebrew forums giving tips. Hats off Will.
Got any pointers on Sequoia? Amazing beer!
Got any pointers on Sequoia? Amazing beer!
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Well I was on here before I started doing it for a career, and to be fair there is a lot of very credible information on here, the Americans/Canadians on here often have more knowledge than some of the micro breweries I've been to round here.
As for Sequoia... no idea, I've only brewed it once and that was a while ago.
hi guys!
first of all sorry for my bad english...
i'm going to brew my first all grain beer and searching the net i found the recipe of nugent..
so i have a few question:
-wich is your batch size? i'm triyng to convert your recipe in european measuring system and i don't understand how many gallons you put in the fermenter...
- here is very very difficult to find ahtanum (is easy to find only if i buy more than 1 kg
) but this my first beer with this method and this means that is just a test (i don't know wich is the efficiency of my system, and i am not sure of the functioning of the system...) and i'm thinking to replace ahtanum with amarillo or cascade...it is right? (this is my first experience with american hops...)
thanks again sorry for my bad english!
greetings from italy!
p.s chillwill if i undestand well you are working at thornbridge, right? if it is right, congratulations guys! you made me fall in love with your beers!
first of all sorry for my bad english...
i'm going to brew my first all grain beer and searching the net i found the recipe of nugent..
so i have a few question:
-wich is your batch size? i'm triyng to convert your recipe in european measuring system and i don't understand how many gallons you put in the fermenter...
- here is very very difficult to find ahtanum (is easy to find only if i buy more than 1 kg
) but this my first beer with this method and this means that is just a test (i don't know wich is the efficiency of my system, and i am not sure of the functioning of the system...) and i'm thinking to replace ahtanum with amarillo or cascade...it is right? (this is my first experience with american hops...)thanks again sorry for my bad english!
greetings from italy!
p.s chillwill if i undestand well you are working at thornbridge, right? if it is right, congratulations guys! you made me fall in love with your beers!
Thanks Ilberse. Where are you from?
If you are new to brewing, I'd recommend going for something a little simpler; maybe a pale ale. When you've got your processes refined then go for something like this. I remember my first homebrew batch, was pretty awful and I'd have been annoyed if I'd invested a lot into it (this was a couple of years ago before I started a career).
There is plenty of software out there to help with conversions and general literature. Time spent reading and learning is a good investment, even though it requires patience.
If you are new to brewing, I'd recommend going for something a little simpler; maybe a pale ale. When you've got your processes refined then go for something like this. I remember my first homebrew batch, was pretty awful and I'd have been annoyed if I'd invested a lot into it (this was a couple of years ago before I started a career).
There is plenty of software out there to help with conversions and general literature. Time spent reading and learning is a good investment, even though it requires patience.
hi!
i'm writing from italy, near venice..
i'm not new to brewing, i'm new with the all grain method...i started 5 years ago with the "kit", then at the university i stopped to do beer at my home (i studied in padua and my inmates wasn't very happy at the ideato have a brewery at home) so i helped a friend with e+g method. now i finished to study and i want to start with all grain. i'm pretty sure that i can control the boil and the fermentation process. For the mash an sparge phase i'm studying hard!
the convertion for the weights is not a problem, but i can't undestand how many litres (or gallons) goes in the fermenter...
i'm writing from italy, near venice..
i'm not new to brewing, i'm new with the all grain method...i started 5 years ago with the "kit", then at the university i stopped to do beer at my home (i studied in padua and my inmates wasn't very happy at the ideato have a brewery at home) so i helped a friend with e+g method. now i finished to study and i want to start with all grain. i'm pretty sure that i can control the boil and the fermentation process. For the mash an sparge phase i'm studying hard!
the convertion for the weights is not a problem, but i can't undestand how many litres (or gallons) goes in the fermenter...
Hey there,
It was a 19 litre batch that I put into the cask.
I used about 30 litres of water to mash and sparge, and it was down to about 22 litres after the boil and I kegged 19 litres.
Hope this helps. Feel free to PM me, but ChillWill is the real expert.
Good luck!
It was a 19 litre batch that I put into the cask.
I used about 30 litres of water to mash and sparge, and it was down to about 22 litres after the boil and I kegged 19 litres.
Hope this helps. Feel free to PM me, but ChillWill is the real expert.
Good luck!
I'm certainly learning that less is more when it comes to grain bills.
Hi ChillWill,
If you don't use wheat in it why does Jaipur have wheat as one of the ingredients on the side of the bottle?
How long after fermentation starts and then for how long should a person dry-hop? Do you (fellow HBT'ers!) add your hop leaves (or pellets) in and just let them settle and rack without difficulty after a week or so? Or do you use a muslin bag or other device to let the hops steep and then remove them after a period of time?
Thanks for any advice you have.
Thanks for any advice you have.
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here's my partial mash/extract version, any comments welcome.
I'm subbing Galaxy for Chinook (have run of of Chinook) seems a reasonable fit.
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
400 g CaraGold (12.0 EBC) Grain 1 12.1 %
400 g Vienna Malt (6.9 EBC) Grain 2 12.1 %
500 g Light Dry Extract (7.0 EBC) Dry Extract 3 15.2 %
8 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 8.4 IBUs
8 g Bullion [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 14.1 IBUs
8 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 14.5 IBUs
8 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 7 5.9 IBUs
8 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 8 10.1 IBUs
25 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
25 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
25 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
2000 g Light Dry Extract (7.0 EBC) Dry Extract 12 60.6 %
25 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
25 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
25 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
Est Original Gravity: 1.060 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.9 %
Bitterness: 53.0 IBUs
Est Color: 9.9 EBC
18litres
I'm subbing Galaxy for Chinook (have run of of Chinook) seems a reasonable fit.
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
400 g CaraGold (12.0 EBC) Grain 1 12.1 %
400 g Vienna Malt (6.9 EBC) Grain 2 12.1 %
500 g Light Dry Extract (7.0 EBC) Dry Extract 3 15.2 %
8 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 8.4 IBUs
8 g Bullion [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 14.1 IBUs
8 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 14.5 IBUs
8 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 7 5.9 IBUs
8 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Boil 25.0 min Hop 8 10.1 IBUs
25 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 9 0.0 IBUs
25 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
25 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Aroma Steep 30.0 min Hop 11 0.0 IBUs
2000 g Light Dry Extract (7.0 EBC) Dry Extract 12 60.6 %
25 g Ahtanum [6.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
25 g Centennial [10.30 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
25 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
Est Original Gravity: 1.060 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.9 %
Bitterness: 53.0 IBUs
Est Color: 9.9 EBC
18litres
I used ahtanum, centennial, and simcoe in the boil pot, and am putting chinook, citra, and centennial in the fermenter. I was pretty pleased with the gravity sample after 7 days (still getting a nice steady bubble stream from my blowoff tube, too - about one blow every 5 seconds.)
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Really interested in doing a Maxi-BIAB Jaipur clone as my introduction to AG. It's one of my favourite beers.
I'm guessing you can't tell us what actual grains are in it can you?
Great Job at Thornbridge by the way. I run a homebrew club in conjunction with Red Willow Brewery and we were thinking of asking Dom to do a talk.
I'm guessing you can't tell us what actual grains are in it can you?
Great Job at Thornbridge by the way. I run a homebrew club in conjunction with Red Willow Brewery and we were thinking of asking Dom to do a talk.
Brewed a Jaipur attempt 9 days ago - was down to 1.012 from 1.055 2 days ago and still moderately active blowoff (San Diego Super Yeast.) I added calcium chloride and gypsum to increase the very low alkalinity of local water - pumped to see what kind of diff there will be.
Edit: this finished at 1.010 and is a truly spectacular beer. The salts made the difference, I think. I used Citra, Chinook, Ahtanum, Centennial, and Amarillo hops.
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Edit: this finished at 1.010 and is a truly spectacular beer. The salts made the difference, I think. I used Citra, Chinook, Ahtanum, Centennial, and Amarillo hops.
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Chill are you in the Jaipur commemoration photo?
https://www.facebook.com/thornbridg...5464391848950/922516131143768/?type=1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/thornbridg...5464391848950/922516131143768/?type=1&theater
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Am I right in thinking from that link to jimsbeerkit that this line...
"Final hops 80°C for 30 mins." means that I chill the wort to 80 deg C once the boil is complete, then steep at that temperature for 30 minutes? I don't know how I enter that into beersmith so cannot see if it will have any affect on IBU's?
Thanks
"Final hops 80°C for 30 mins." means that I chill the wort to 80 deg C once the boil is complete, then steep at that temperature for 30 minutes? I don't know how I enter that into beersmith so cannot see if it will have any affect on IBU's?
Thanks
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