This forum seems to be getting bit$chy

[SittingDuck]

A few, or just one?

Me. It's me, right? I totally have a cult following. It's because you should all to it my way, like I said.

 

[homebeerbrewer]

I=E/R. Ohms law. Very basic I know.

Shocking...

 

[passedpawn]

thread is growing so i will repeat:
i love cats, i love every kind of...
im kidding but the whole discussion about electricians and contractors reminded me about great book Fountainhead, ischa, staubfiber and rest, read it its just great book

I've read Fountainhead. It's about an architect, not an electrician. Yeah, great book. And atlas shrugged of course.

 

[hercher]

But my friend did make a good point; Basics are no longer being taught.. at least in Navy schools. Computers based training, and the ever perfect Built in Test (BIT) systems will fix whatever is broke.

Don't worry about how something works, don't even learn about it because very little effort using somebody else's knowledge and a built in test feature will repair and return the broken product quickly.

Theory of operation, system knowledge based on technical skills have been lost.... I'm only speaking about Naval Aviation

Frankly, I don't think that problem is limited to Navy schools, or even to technical subjects. I have a child in the 4th grade and one in the 6th grade, and I have been astonished at times at how little attention is paid to simple things like penmanship (a brief time in second grade), or memorizing the multiplication tables (a brief time in 3rd grade).

At the risk of sounding like the old fart that I am, when I was in school, every class room had a chart of the letters in cursive above the chalkboard. We were instructed in the third grade, and required to write in cursive until well into junior high school and high school, when papers had to be typed.

We all carried Pee Chee's (folders, for you young'uns) that had the multiplication tables up to 12 and various other important mathematical rules on the inside flaps, and drawings of impossibly wholesome athletic students on the outside. We were constantly tested on basic math skills even up into the 7th and 8th grade, regardless of what "level" you were at.

Technology is a wonderful thing, but it has also given us too many shortcuts and makes us lazy. My 9 year old daughter is convinced that she doesn't need to learn math because she can use a calculator.

 

[bottlebomber]

People such as ourselves should be considered artisans, as we are a dying breed! What I want to know is... What are all of the 20somethings going to do when cell phones all die some day?! (Sorry, 20somethings! No offense!)..............

I'm a just barely 30 something, but I have the same concern. As a machinist, I've seen literally hundreds of kids come through the shop in the last 12 years, with almost none of them showing any interest for the trade.
I think it's because of the mix of skills you need to do this type of work. You need to be both intelligent, and also able to stand, lift, and have a measure of physical aptitude. Most of the guys we get are either 1. Well intentioned *********, or 2. Semi intelligent but lazy. I think this has as much to do with the loss of manufacturing jobs as anything.

 

[scrambledegg81]

And as a piece of advice to all, if you look around and can't see one, then you're probably the *********.

Nah. I'm the resident smart-ass that occasionally provides a helpful link or quote.

 

[hxcpunk71]

Need a job? I could use someone like you.

Luckily I don't but hack electricians with entitlement issues seem to be on the rise!!! No one wants to work any more!!!!!

 

[TxBrew]

If you see issues or a "Google it" threads forming, flag it.

That's the quickest way to stop it and help new brewers get into brewing without the vitriol.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Dr. Seuss cats, and their floppy hats...

i love cats, every kind of cat

 

[bottlebomber]

Lol! I hadn't seen that. It seems obvious now that there should be one though

 

[Dan]

frankly, i don't think that problem is limited to navy schools, or even to technical subjects. I have a child in the 4th grade and one in the 6th grade, and i have been astonished at times at how little attention is paid to simple things like penmanship (a brief time in second grade), or memorizing the multiplication tables (a brief time in 3rd grade).

At the risk of sounding like the old fart that i am, when i was in school, every class room had a chart of the letters in cursive above the chalkboard. We were instructed in the third grade, and required to write in cursive until well into junior high school and high school, when papers had to be typed.

We all carried pee chee's (folders, for you young'uns) that had the multiplication tables up to 12 and various other important mathematical rules on the inside flaps, and drawings of impossibly wholesome athletic students on the outside. We were constantly tested on basic math skills even up into the 7th and 8th grade, regardless of what "level" you were at.

Technology is a wonderful thing, but it has also given us too many shortcuts and makes us lazy. My 9 year old daughter is convinced that she doesn't need to learn math because she can use a calculator.

+1

 

[Dan]

Hello

 

[Stauffbier]

Hello

Howdy Dan!

 

[Dan]

Hey Stauffbier!

Sorry this thread dropped to the bottom of the bucket like some yeast flocculate after fermenting.

I got to admit I set it off topic a bit and it was nice. I sure did appreciate your comment though my friend!

 

[passedpawn]

Hey Dan! I'm here too, watching your thread.

 

[Hugh_Jass]

If you see issues or a "Google it" threads forming, flag it.

That's the quickest way to stop it and help new brewers get into brewing without the vitriol.

There's at least 100 threads about the exact same topic. Use the search function, noob

 

[Dan]

Hey! Stauffbier and Pappy nice to see you guys.

 

[Dan]

And you too Hugh Jass!

 

[Dan]

It's been raining and chilly here today. I'm making some hamhocks and white bean soup and (oops) package mixed cornbread.

 

[passedpawn]

Sounds good. Do you boil the beans or soak overnight?

 

[Stauffbier]

Hey! Stauffbier and Pappy nice to see you guys.

Good to see you too buddy! What's pouring today (besides the rain)??

It's been raining and chilly here today. I'm making some hamhocks and white bean soup and (oops) package mixed cornbread.

That sounds really good! I grilled some steaks and dogs. Drinkin' an O'Hara's Irish Stout. I found a 4 pack on sale for $6.50.. I had never heard of it before. It's pretty tasty!

 

[Dan]

Usually soak overnight Pappy, but today on a cool rainy spur of the moment decided to make some hamhocks and beens. Rinsed the beens, boiled for two minutes and soaked for an hour, drained off the water, added the hamhock broth and simmered another hour and a half. Was pretty tasty. Probably could have gotten away with less simmering as the beans were a little less than firm. Still pretty dang good! Even the 55 cent cornbread mix turned out great!

 

[Dan]

Good to see you too buddy! What's pouring today (besides the rain)??



That sounds really good! I grilled some steaks and dogs. Drinkin' an O'Hara's Irish Stout. I found a 4 pack on sale for $6.50.. I had never heard of it before. It's pretty tasty!

Not much at all actually. A glass of sherry with the soup. They go so well together.