A four pack of twelves would be unusual here. Fours are still typically sixteens...
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I see a lot of local breweries selling 4-packs of pints in cans.Don't see an abundance of 4-packs of pints, either. Most of what I see on the shelves these days are 12-ouncers.
I think beer for distribution is pretty tightly controlled in terms of the volume advertised on the bottle or can. At tap room, a lot of places sell pints or what they call a full pour in glasses that only hold 14 ounces or so.A pint is 16 ounces. Anything less is just a can or a bottle. Beer, the one industry that doesn't do truth in advertising.
100% agree.It is on the low side and it's messed up that we should be giddy to only pay $12 for a 4-pack.
I dunno I love beer in all its forms and I want to love commercial craft beer but somewhere along the way I started to dislike it in general. The vibe, the more-often-than-not mediocre beer, the high prices.
I like my homebrew. When I visited Germany I liked the way people drinked beer there. Jury is still out on everything else
I think beer for distribution is pretty tightly controlled in terms of the volume advertised on the bottle or can. At tap room, a lot of places sell pints or what they call a full pour in glasses that only hold 14 ounces or so.
Well, I don't know about you, but if I'm given a pour that clearly has 3+ fingers of head on it, I know I'm getting shorted and I always ask for a top up. Like mentioned earlier by someone, the prices are ridiculous, I want every last drop I can get. But the easier thing to do is know where the best happy hours are or don't go out for beer. And really, I don't go out for beer much anymore unless it's a Mexican restaurant or a special occasion.They can legally do that with tap beer because there is no statute requiring a pint be 16 oz. It's a "nominal" measure that has been allowed as a customary business practice. Same with lumber--those 2x4s are only 1.5x3.5". It was 2x4" before kiln-drying.
Some commodities are subject to weights & measures laws, like gasoline. A gallon must be dispensed as 128 fluid ounces, and those pumps must be calibrated. Same story for scales in grocery stores and butcher shops.
IIRC, Michigan passed a bill, stating that if advertised as a "pint," the pour must be 16 fl. oz. I suppose some bars and taprooms still use shaker glasses and just call it a "full glass," or something. No idea if any other states have a similar law. Minnesota does not.
Every .5L at Oktoberfest is filled about halfThey can legally do that with tap beer because there is no statute requiring a pint be 16 oz. It's a "nominal" measure that has been allowed as a customary business practice. Same with lumber--those 2x4s are only 1.5x3.5". It was 2x4" before kiln-drying.
Some commodities are subject to weights & measures laws, like gasoline. A gallon must be dispensed as 128 fluid ounces, and those pumps must be calibrated. Same story for scales in grocery stores and butcher shops.
IIRC, Michigan passed a bill, stating that if advertised as a "pint," the pour must be 16 fl. oz. I suppose some bars and taprooms still use shaker glasses and just call it a "full glass," or something. No idea if any other states have a similar law. Minnesota does not.
On my bucket list, but I’ve never been either. Just watch videos though of the girls carrying 13 mugs. Not one of them is more than half full.Haven't been to octoberfest in Germany, but at other times, they serve pretty dang close to a full half or liter. And it is why the UK has a line on their pint glasses. Foam above the line, beer beliw
Check out Youtube. It's a real spectacle. Vomiting, passing out, falling down...really glad we were not there.
I don't know how widespread the high school behavior is, but the videos are pretty off-putting.
This wins post of the dayMy wife and I also tried to go to Munich. I had a hard time finding a hotel. We had no idea Oktoberfest was in September.
I looked at some videos to see what it was all about. I had assumed it was about people who really appreciated the craftsmanship that went into good beer. Not exactly true. Those people lying face-down in the street weren't thinking about balanced malts and subtle hopping.
The drinking age is 13, they serve beer in half liter mugs and they have a highway with no speed limit. What could go wrong?
My nephew got to go on a school exchange program and stay with a host family I think he was 17 or 18. He got in trouble drinking. He was ordered to write a letter of apology. I think it was something to do with spraying a fire extinguisher all over some cars.
So my 9-ounce "pint" glasses are actually a scam!
When my wife and I were trying to visit Czechia, I watched a lot of videos, and I was surprised to see they serve lagers that are literally all foam. I hope that doesn't catch on here.
Don't knock it until you try it. An all foam pour is called "mliko" and you are expected to chug it as soon as it is served. Czechs know how to pour beer!So my 9-ounce "pint" glasses are actually a scam!
When my wife and I were trying to visit Czechia, I watched a lot of videos, and I was surprised to see they serve lagers that are literally all foam. I hope that doesn't catch on here.
The general discussion of this thread seems off. From what I can tell, Oskar Blues expanded to 3 breweries around the country. They decided to just close one of them. Honestly, I was surprised to learn that Oskar Blues had locations in Texas and North Carolina. Dales Pale Ale is an okay beer, but is really just a run of the mill old school 6.5% ABV IPA. Ten Fidy is an okay beer, but not a favorite of mine. Their Pils is the only other I have seen or tried.Their website shows two taprooms still open, Longmont, CO and Brevard, NC.
That's a great story. I wonder...how did the beer taste then versus now from your memory?Not-so-CSB about Munich O-fest.
Went there in 1984 with some friends. Two Germans and one other American. No reservations, came by train from Stuttgart, arrived at the Munich Hauptbahnhof late in the evening. The station had a sort of concierge booth with staff that helped people line up lodging, etc. Guy made a few phone calls, found us a place, an apartment flat nearby with a room with several bunk beds. IIRC, rates were something like DM100/night per person w/continental breakfast. About $25/night. A half hour later some British guy came by the station to take us over there. The flat was owned by his German girlfriend. We crashed for the night, lots of drinking ahead the next day.
We took the U-Bahn to and from the fest grounds. Going to it around noonish was uneventful. We headed to the Hofbrau hall and pretty much stayed put for a while and drank. A little later we wandered to a couple smaller halls, don't recall which. We all had more beers and ate.
Returning at night was a freakshow. This was 1984. Lots of punks, neo-nazis with skinny jeans and Doc Martin boots, and a various assortment of people puking or passing out. Or both. It was SRO on this train. Some were hanging onto the straps for dear life and spewing all over themselves. The stench was...memorable.
We made it back to our rooms without incident. Amazingly, none of us puked. More amazingly, I didn't get any on me. We all crashed, got up the next day, rinse and repeat.
Good times.
It seems like a lot of breweries are expanding in this way and I don't understand it. I mentioned Big Grove here in Iowa City is currently constructing a 4th and 5th location, one is a production brewery only and the other is to have a taproom. They have one in Solon, IA (the original brewpub); Iowa City (where I live); Des Moines; building one in Cedar Rapids, and building a production brewery near my house in Iowa City. I just don't get it. Why does a brewery need that many locations?The general discussion of this thread seems off. From what I can tell, Oskar Blues expanded to 3 breweries around the country. They decided to just close one of them. Honestly, I was surprised to learn that Oskar Blues had locations in Texas and North Carolina. Dales Pale Ale is an okay beer, but is really just a run of the mill old school 6.5% ABV IPA. Ten Fidy is an okay beer, but not a favorite of mine. Their Pils is the only other I have seen or tried.
My area (Loudoun County Virginia) seems saturated with breweries. But, while some have closed, a larger number have opened or expanded. There does not seem to be a lot of room for breweries with plans to expand to country wide distribution to compete with the Sierra Nevadas (like Oskar Blues apparently tried to do), but there still seems to be plenty of room for local craft breweries.
That's a great story. I wonder...how did the beer taste then versus now from your memory?
It seems like a lot of breweries are expanding in this way and I don't understand it. I mentioned Big Grove here in Iowa City is currently constructing a 4th and 5th location, one is a production brewery only and the other is to have a taproom. They have one in Solon, IA (the original brewpub); Iowa City (where I live); Des Moines; building one in Cedar Rapids, and building a production brewery near my house in Iowa City. I just don't get it. Why does a brewery need that many locations?
Very cool. Thanks for sharing. We kind of hijacked this thread and should've been talking about all this in the Beer Vacation to Germany thread.I think it was before the fest switched to Festbier, and I recall the beer being amber in color. My tastes weren't very refined then, though I was long a fan of what Bavarian beers were available in bottles at home. Having it served fresh was night and day different from the beer shipped 5000 miles in green bottles. Very malty, nice hops flavor, and WAY too easy to consume a lot. I recall thinking it was like nothing I'd had before. Microbreweries were not a thing yet in the US.
I haven't been back aince then, so I can't compare with today's offerings. A few local breweries here make fairly true-to-form Festbiers and Marzens, and I suppose they are close.
One thing I noticed about Germany, is that nearly every town with a few 1000 or more people had its own brewery and many held their own O-fests. We visited a few, including one in Heubach (where my German friends lived), just east of Stuttgart. If you travel to Germany around fest time, don't overlook some of those smaller events. Nowhere near as crazy, and the beer is excellent.
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One thing I noticed about Germany, is that nearly every town with a few 1000 or more people had its own brewery
It seems like a lot of breweries are expanding in this way and I don't understand it. I mentioned Big Grove here in Iowa City is currently constructing a 4th and 5th location, one is a production brewery only and the other is to have a taproom. They have one in Solon, IA (the original brewpub); Iowa City (where I live); Des Moines; building one in Cedar Rapids, and building a production brewery near my house in Iowa City. I just don't get it. Why does a brewery need that many locations?
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