The Walking dead

[BamaProud]

Well, presumably 7.5 billion possible infections, 400,000 remaining humans.

Unless someone is factory dismantling walkers, more than likely there is still close to 7.5 billion zombies bebopping around. If there were a couple nuclear events in some of the biggest population centers you might cut that by a couple hundred million.

Purely spit ball numbers.

Don't they just rot/decay over time until they are no longer mobile...or threatening?

 

[ArkotRamathorn]

Don't they just rot/decay over time until they are no longer mobile...or threatening?

Well we wouldn't still be watching the show if they decayed into non threatening heaps of garbage. Presumably they have very slow decay times so they'll be around for a long time. (Even after a year their bodies would be mostly mush, never mind any amount of time after that). Maybe spraying a horde of them with flesh eating bacteria is the way to roll.

 

[Calichusetts]

Don't they just rot/decay over time until they are no longer mobile...or threatening?

Yes, they just need to infect a human or two before they go. Get a new round going.

 

[GrogNerd]

being re-animated corpses, and decomposing, I would presume there would come a point where the muscles have deteriorated to the point where they couldn't support weight or movement. or their bones, if that's what enables them to move

but then, if a brain injury will kill them, you would think the brain should eventually decompose to the point of immobilization

so, it's a battle for time and a war of attrition

 

[lupulinaddict]

being re-animated corpses, and decomposing, I would presume there would come a point where the muscles have deteriorated to the point where they couldn't support weight or movement. or their bones, if that's what enables them to move

but then, if a brain injury will kill them, you would think the brain should eventually decompose to the point of immobilization

so, it's a battle for time and a war of attrition

I try not to think about the reality of it because then I can't enjoy the show. I always wondered why they try to eat you. It's not like a severed head can digest food to make energy for itself. Maybe it's just a survival instinct preprogrammed in the brain?

Oh that brings up a good point. Last episode, they had to find a Gregory head from a walker. Wouldn't that head need to be brain punctured?

 

[Talgrath]

OK, so how many walkers are still around? Surely many have been killed by the living, lots have had to fallen off cliffs, bridges buildings etc...impaled themselves, walked into the ocean/river or just rotted to the point that they are no longer a threat.

Is the ratio 100walkers- 100walkers -1 human? 1,000,000-1?

I suspect that ratio is "whatever it takes for humans to still be thoroughly outnumbered". Near as we can tell, as long as the brain isn't destroyed the corpse keeps functioning in whatever limited state it can. Presumably, given what we've seen, there is some sort of other biological functions that is severely reducing the decay of the walkers as well. That said, it's a show/comic in which zombies somehow exist, and not in the parasite/fungus/virus/etc. takes over a living host way but in a dead person somehow magically standing up way. I'm not sure a lot of the rules of logic apply here, unfortunately.

That said, here's a (very) rough estimate of how many zombies are left, given what we've seen on the show. So, going by the video's numbers (which do have some fallacies, of course) we had 6.6 billion zombies when the 5,000:1 ratio was established. Rick and company have killed about 1,000 zombies up season 5 on screen according to this page, now it's worth noting I said "on screen", there are time skips and obvious offscreen kills as people fire rounds into a horde too, so I'm going to bump that up about 50% as a rough estimate of the true kill count, I'm basing this on it being a nice even number and the fact that presumably despite some fairly large jumps in time most of the action happens when we see it. Now, if I recall correctly (I can't find the numbers immediately), there were 1,500 walkers on screen for the Alexandria bonfire, which mostly catches us up on our kill count, giving us a total of 3,000 total walkers. During the negotiations with Gregory the number of Alexandria residents is pegged at 52, which I'll round to 50. Alexandria is probably roughly representative of the population at large, containing a large amount of people that are bad at killing zombies, some that are just okay, and a few (the main group) that are amazing at it.

Taking that all together, if we assume all of those numbers are vaguely correct, then we have a rate of zombie kill equivalent to roughly 60 zombie kills : 1 living person. Multiple that out by the 400,000 or so folks left as mentioned in the video and roughly 24 million zombies dead, but that doesn't put much of a dent into our zombie totals, basically moving it to 6.575 billion zombies left, or they're outnumbered 16,437.5 zombies to 1 living person. That said, I think figuring out a hard number is a bit of a fool's errand since there's just way too much we don't see of zombie life, we just get glimpses of it from our character's perspective.

 

[MarkKF]

Don't think about it. If you do you realize with no breathing, blood or heart beat no muscles will work.

What drives me crazy is the people not looking over their shoulders every minute. Why?

 

[ArkotRamathorn]

Don't think about it. If you do you realize with no breathing, blood or heart beat no muscles will work.

What drives me crazy is the people not looking over their shoulders every minute. Why?

Or instead of speaking face to face or in a circle, speaking facing away from one another. Speaking with known allies in an unsecured area there's no reason to continue speaking face to face(unknown entities and or known enemies of course you have to keep an eye on).

Find a commercial slaughterhouse and I bet you could start putting a serious dent in the zombie populations. Build up some cement or steel pens lead a horde into the pens, then start leading them up the gangway into the slaughter house. You could even remove the humans from it and throw one of those huge spinning chopper deals they use to turn whole cars into pea sized pieces of steel and let the zombies walk into that pit. I'm probably a serial killer for thinking of this.

 

[nutty_gnome]

For sure you are now on the FBI watch list.

 

[Zuljin]

Blood splatter on the camera lens. Intentional or did they leave in an accident they thought looked cool?

 

[Bulls Beers]

Oh man.....

 

[m_c_zero]

Is Carol losing her killer edge?

 

[MarkKF]

Is Carol losing her killer edge?

Not for more than 55 min. Lame episode.

Blood splatter on the camera lens. Intentional or did they leave in an accident they thought looked cool?

Either way, dumb!

 

[Talgrath]

Blood splatter on the camera lens. Intentional or did they leave in an accident they thought looked cool?

Intentional and CGI, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Talgrath]

A few observations:

We Are All Negan
The smoking lady (I forget her name) mentioned that "We are all Negan", and biker boy said something similar. It appears that "Negan" has indoctrinated his followers in a sort of "I am Spartacus" way to think of themselves as all being "Negan". Either way I doubt this is the end of the conflict between Alexandria and the Saviors. It's also worth noting that they had a sort of military hierarchy and organization, with different channels for walkie talkies, codes and multiple fallback points.

Carols Has...Doubts?
While a lot of Carol's nervousness was faked...some of it legitimately wasn't. It seems that Carol is having a bit of crisis of "faith" in her beliefs that it's all kill or be killed. Her hesitation to kill redhead leader lady and her eagerness to just leave seem odd given her previous actions, but I think this is a tempering that needs to happen if Carol is going to become anything less than a murderous psychopath. Towards the end of things it seems she might have figured it out, but we'll have to see.

I Can't Do This Anymore
Maggie's last line of the episode is pretty poignant, despite going all badass momma on cigarette lady, her statement that she can't keep doing this indicates just how much of a mental toll this is taking on her. It seems Maggie is going to move more towards being a civil organizer and negotiator...though how that works out for her we'll have to see.

3 Episode Left
We know Negan's coming in the last episode thanks to IMDB...but what happens in the next two episodes? Do we get some more scenes of Alexandrian domestic bliss and neighborhood tension?

 

[agrazela]

If I wanted to listen to a roomful of women bicker about the inadequacies of their men, I'd invite my mother in law and sister in law over for dinner.

 

[m_c_zero]

I hope we don't have Carol getting soft on us and then have them kill her off...

 

[ffaoe]

I hope we don't have Carol getting soft on us and then have them kill her off...

Carol meeting Lucille rather than Glen? Or perhaps both?

 

[m_c_zero]

It's just weird that earlier this season she was a freakin ninja hacking down Wolves like it was no big thing and now we all of a sudden have this Carol that is caring for people's lives?

 

[drainbamage]

It's just weird that earlier this season she was a freakin ninja hacking down Wolves like it was no big thing and now we all of a sudden have this Carol that is caring for people's lives?

I think the point was that when the redhead was describing her life and all the people she killed and how she stopped caring about it, Carol started to see parallels with her own life. She already seems to be reconnecting with her own morality vs just being a cold-blooded sociopath.

 

[HoppyDaze]

She's just fattening em up for when she eats them.

 

[m_c_zero]

I think the point was that when the redhead was describing her life and all the people she killed and how she stopped caring about it, Carol started to see parallels with her own life. She already seems to be reconnecting with her own morality vs just being a cold-blooded sociopath.

I didn't really get that during the episode but when they broke it down on Talking Dead it did kind of make sense. Especially when Carol was talking about losing her daughter then Paula talked about losing 4 daughters. But still, I don't want the show to lose Killer Carol!

 

[dmtaylor]

I think the point was that when the redhead was describing her life and all the people she killed and how she stopped caring about it, Carol started to see parallels with her own life. She already seems to be reconnecting with her own morality vs just being a cold-blooded sociopath.

I think that hits the nail on the head. Carol was symbolically killing off a dark part of her own self when she killed Red. She realized that despite appearances, she didn't really want to do it, but was forced. She'd been living at an extreme limit of her persona, and has now begun to return closer to her center, and realized the need to do so.

It was a similar story with Maggie. She'd been beginning to feel more and more invincible, but quickly realized how precious her own life really is and how she needed to take better care of herself if humanity were ever to somehow come out of the apocolypse intact.

Every single one of the characters has been exploring their limits of character this season, and most if not all of them have realized that they needed to make some manner of change, to become more centered, in order for them all to survive.

I think we're going to see more interesting things out of Morgan in the next episode or two. And hopefully Daryl as well, he's been quiet lately, 'cept maybe for that explosion thing at mid-season opening.

 

[Talgrath]

I think that hits the nail on the head. Carol was symbolically killing off a dark part of her own self when she killed Red. She realized that despite appearances, she didn't really want to do it, but was forced. She'd been living at an extreme limit of her persona, and has now begun to return closer to her center, and realized the need to do so.

It was a similar story with Maggie. She'd been beginning to feel more and more invincible, but quickly realized how precious her own life really is and how she needed to take better care of herself if humanity were ever to somehow come out of the apocolypse intact.

Every single one of the characters has been exploring their limits of character this season, and most if not all of them have realized that they needed to make some manner of change, to become more centered, in order for them all to survive.

I think we're going to see more interesting things out of Morgan in the next episode or two. And hopefully Daryl as well, he's been quiet lately, 'cept maybe for that explosion thing at mid-season opening.

Well, Daryl did have that not so excellent adventure before the midseason finale, it seems like that has made him a bit well "grumpy". Oddly enough, as Carol seems to be trying to move towards a more compassionate side Daryl seems to be moving back towards becoming an angry loner again.

 

[MarkKF]

Well, Daryl did have that not so excellent adventure before the midseason finale, it seems like that has made him a bit well "grumpy". Oddly enough, as Carol seems to be trying to move towards a more compassionate side Daryl seems to be moving back towards becoming an angry loner again.

Maybe the two of them will hook up. It seems couples are all the rage these days. Rick & Michone, the two lesbians, even Carl and Enid.

 

[m_c_zero]

Daryl doesn't need a woman, just his crossbow. He coulda totally scored with Beth but he didn't seem to care.

 

[bigken462]

My turn to get caught up on TWD. I hate work weekends.

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[lupulinaddict]

Whatever happened with the wolves? That group had to be larger than what hit Alexandria, right? Remember last season, they had that remote controlled truck trap with the stereo system? I thought that was going to be a pretty creative enemy for them to face. They should be well equipped because they seemed to just savagely kill and raid, but the people that attacked only had knives. Maybe they have more of a rank system like the saviors? Maybe they are a branch of the saviors?

Then what about the group Daryl saw in the forest? The guy that they only showed his boots. With the negan group is there three threats nearby Alexandria?

 

[dmtaylor]

Whatever happened with the wolves? That group had to be larger than what hit Alexandria, right? Remember last season, they had that remote controlled truck trap with the stereo system? I thought that was going to be a pretty creative enemy for them to face. They should be well equipped because they seemed to just savagely kill and raid, but the people that attacked only had knives. Maybe they have more of a rank system like the saviors? Maybe they are a branch of the saviors?

Then what about the group Daryl saw in the forest? The guy that they only showed his boots. With the negan group is there three threats nearby Alexandria?

Good question. They must be saving the Wolves for the season finale when all hell breaks loose and a couple main characters get killed off. I don't believe there are three threats, though, just two. But you never know.

 

[Talgrath]

Whatever happened with the wolves? That group had to be larger than what hit Alexandria, right? Remember last season, they had that remote controlled truck trap with the stereo system? I thought that was going to be a pretty creative enemy for them to face. They should be well equipped because they seemed to just savagely kill and raid, but the people that attacked only had knives. Maybe they have more of a rank system like the saviors? Maybe they are a branch of the saviors?

Then what about the group Daryl saw in the forest? The guy that they only showed his boots. With the negan group is there three threats nearby Alexandria?

My impression was that was it for the Wolves. Judging by the previous season's evidence at Noah's place, plus the attack on Alexandria they weren't particularly sophisticated outside of the truck trap, just ram a truck through the walls and then stabby stabby stab. The Wolves that escaped ran into rick in the RV, who promptly gunned them down. I think basement guy was the leader too, he mentions he just got too impatient and selfish and that they should have watched more and waited. That said, I could be wrong.

Given that Daryl's bike was in the possession of Primo, i suspect that either the forest dicks were Saviors too, the Saviors wiped them out or they paid tribute to the Saviors.