The Walking dead

[Airborneguy]

MOD EDIT: Pared down the sig size. You have no need to fear, my anger is reserved for the foolish.

Did a mod really put this in your signature? Poor taste. If this is real, I bet I can say who did it on my first guess.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I wondered what you, Airborne, thought about Rick from the cop aspect. Seems to me that an awful lot of what he does flies in the face of what little I know of police training...

 

[Frankiesurf]

Was anyone else hoping Laurie got bitten while trapped in the car?

 

[CreamyGoodness]

The mod put in the "pared down" part, but the quote is mine. It was off Morrowind, some of the orc NPCs will say it when you pass by. I liked it a lot so I kept it.

I didnt mind the mods paring down my signature at all actually, since I cant afford to pay for a membership right now I want to be as good a "citizen" as I can...

 

[rifraf]

Was anyone else hoping Laurie got bitten while trapped in the car?

This is one the writers got right, hate her in the show as much as I did the books.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

+1. Sometimes, rarely, I dislike a character so much that it rubs off onto the actor. This is one of those times. I think I truly dislike her as an actor, and would be inclined to never watch anything else with her in it...

Was anyone else hoping Laurie got bitten while trapped in the car?

 

[Airborneguy]

Was anyone else hoping Laurie got bitten while trapped in the car?

I was praying for it!

I wondered what you, Airborne, thought about Rick from the cop aspect. Seems to me that an awful lot of what he does flies in the face of what little I know of police training...

A lot of the issues aren't so much with training but mindset. The dynamic between him and Shane is even worse. Shane is much closer to how I see a real cop performing in a situation such as theirs than Rick has been. Rick might pass for a rookie just out of the academy, but that's about as far as I would go. Hell, Rick has stuck with his sidearm for the entire series. He doesn't even have a semi-auto. The only other weapon I recall him picking up was a bolt-action rifle, another highly inefficient weapon. He just seems to have no tactical sense at all. Shane on the other hand has a highly tactical mindset, can make quick decisions, and shows much more loyalty to even Rick's own family! Have you ever heard Rick talk about sacrificing to save Carl and the wife like Shane did on this episode? Half of the time he puts them in bad situations or leaves them to go off on some nonsense mission! ....ugh... I'm just getting more frustrated as I type this.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

I do seem to remember in Atlanta a highly useful armored military vehicle and what I think was an M60 (the ammo came on a chain). Imagine if that puppy was mounted on top of the RV? Rick left them there for reasons I dont understand. While I can understand wanting a hand-cannon like that .45 (again, I think its a 45, Im not really knowledgable on weapons post-dating the American Civil War) for sheer knockdown, I think having a semi-auto on the other hip sure couldnt hurt.

 

[rifraf]

I do seem to remember in Atlanta a highly useful armored military vehicle and what I think was an M60 (the ammo came on a chain). Imagine if that puppy was mounted on top of the RV? Rick left them there for reasons I dont understand. While I can understand wanting a hand-cannon like that .45 (again, I think its a 45, Im not really knowledgable on weapons post-dating the American Civil War) for sheer knockdown, I think having a semi-auto on the other hip sure couldnt hurt.

Actually, as far as a zombie apocalypse goes, fully automatic weapons aren't as useful as semi. Ditto for a hand cannon. Against a living human, those weapons have stopping power and the ability to mow through crowds. Zombies don't feel pain and can't get scared. An accurate .22 is more effective than a machine gun because of the need to hit the brain directly.

See "The Zombie Survival Guide" by Max Brooks for more detail

Also, the "Rick running off leaving his family to save people" plays a large role in the books which is why him just shooting those two guys and not offering to bring them back to the farm felt very out of character.

 

[Airborneguy]

I disagree on the automatic weapon, especially an M60/240B with adequate ammo supplies. As shown when the zombie was trying to get into the car after the wife (I seriously don't even know her name, I hate her), they are falling apart, literally rotting away. While the flesh might still be "living", an M60 could easily chop them to pieces small enough to no longer be a threat. An M60 might not be the ideal personal weapon for a lone survivor in all situations, but considering that they are a group with available vehicles, it would have greatly added to their survivability factor when used as part of an effectively executed tactical plan.

 

[Revvy]

I disagree on the automatic weapon, especially an M60/240B with adequate ammo supplies. As shown when the zombie was trying to get into the car after the wife (I seriously don't even know her name, I hate her), they are falling apart, literally rotting away. While the flesh might still be "living", an M60 could easily chop them to pieces small enough to no longer be a threat. An M60 might not be the ideal personal weapon for a lone survivor in all situations, but considering that they are a group with available vehicles, it would have greatly added to their survivability factor when used as part of an effectively executed tactical plan.

I alsways figured the best weapon, especially for a crowd of them, would be a grenade launcher. The concussion affect alone should be good for breaking them apart or knocking them down at least. And shrapnel to the equation and it should be extra effective.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Id think that a grenade launcher would be best at a distance. Shrapnel and zombie bits aren't something you want coming back at you. Now, if you could magically push the horde back into safe grenade range THAT would be clutch! FUS RO DAH!

I alsways figured the best weapon, especially for a crowd of them, would be a grenade launcher. The concussion affect alone should be good for breaking them apart or knocking them down at least. And shrapnel to the equation and it should be extra effective.

 

[Tnoodle]

I alsways figured the best weapon, especially for a crowd of them, would be a grenade launcher. The concussion affect alone should be good for breaking them apart or knocking them down at least. And shrapnel to the equation and it should be extra effective.

The only thing about a grenade launcher is the the ammo is not as available as the 7.62 round, or even a 5.56. The best weapon for the job is a 3 shot burst M4 or M16, with a long range scope and a set of flip up iron sights. Then you have the availability of the ammo, less weight, the ability to hit a longer range target with precision fire, and the ability to conduct close quarters combat if needed. Not a single person in their group has picked up an M16 and they have passed hundreds of them.

 

[BargainMugs]

^This.

And a machete or katana.

 

[Lunchtime]

Can somebody point me to the scene where they walked past 100 M16's? I'm almost certain that doesn't exist.

 

[BargainMugs]

Weren't there dead soldiers outside the CDC in the first season?

 

[JohnnyO]

Weren't there dead soldiers outside the CDC in the first season?

Yes, but the zed-words took all of those weapons.

 

[Airborneguy]

Can somebody point me to the scene where they walked past 100 M16's? I'm almost certain that doesn't exist.

There's been dead soldiers in probably 1/3 of the episodes. There were a ton at the CDC, hundreds in the first few episodes (the hospital alone had a whole base around it including helicopters!) and some when Shane and the fat guy went to get the medicine for Carl. There's been soldiers all over the place and while I don't specifically recall taking note of their weapons, I'm fairly confident the group could have found one or two.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Oh btw, wasnt the one guy in the bar Rene from True Blood? If so, death at the end of one episode is an awful waste of talent...

 

[rifraf]

The only thing about a grenade launcher is the the ammo is not as available as the 7.62 round, or even a 5.56. The best weapon for the job is a 3 shot burst M4 or M16, with a long range scope and a set of flip up iron sights. Then you have the availability of the ammo, less weight, the ability to hit a longer range target with precision fire, and the ability to conduct close quarters combat if needed. Not a single person in their group has picked up an M16 and they have passed hundreds of them.

Exactly. To be fair, all of Brooks' books that I was quoting put a huge emphasis on mobility and the idea of heading North at all costs

 

[Airborneguy]

And a machete or katana.

Sounds great, and looks good on film, but these weapons should be extreme last resort weapons only. They allow the enemy to get WAY too close (I can legally justify shooting a man with a knife when he's 21 feet away, consider that). They are very physically demanding to use (huge downside). They break. They need to be sharpened. Bladed weapons have been backup weapons ever since guns were invented. I don't see how a "zombie" attack changes that.

 

[rifraf]

Sounds great, and looks good on film, but these weapons should be extreme last resort weapons only. They allow the enemy to get WAY too close (I can legally justify shooting a man with a knife when he's 21 feet away, consider that). They are very physically demanding to use (huge downside). They break. They need to be sharpened. Bladed weapons have been backup weapons ever since guns were invented. I don't see how a "zombie" attack changes that.

Silence. Guns are not silent and attract more zombies, which can hear gun shots from about a mile away. Bladed/melee weapons are meant to be used while creeping around to scavenge for supplies and put down a zombie, hopefully, before they notice you. This is where crossbows (like Daryl's) also come in handy.

Guns are only for escaping.

 

[CreamyGoodness]

Whaddaya think about flishet (sp?) rounds? Basically shotgun shells full of little nails.

Sure, you have to pump the shottie after each shot, but I've heard stories from Vietnam of seeing men tacked to trees and even each other...

Same guy also told me he was one of the first to use a silencer on a M16 in a top secret beta testing in Dien Bien Phu, in which the rifle was now whisper quiet in a closed room, so take that at face value...

 

[Revvy]

You guys see this? It was in the beerstreet journal. More SweetWater On The Walking Dead

 

[rifraf]

Whaddaya think about flishet (sp?) rounds? Basically shotgun shells full of little nails.

Sure, you have to pump the shottie after each shot, but I've heard stories from Vietnam of seeing men tacked to trees and even each other...

Same guy also told me he was one of the first to use a silencer on a M16 in a top secret beta testing in Dien Bien Phu, in which the rifle was now whisper quiet in a closed room, so take that at face value...

Flechette rounds would probably work in so much as you pin a zombie to the wall, or take out the brain stem. Silencers obviously make any gun better. All my nonsense comes from The Zombie Survival guide, which I highly recommend to zombie fans and may be the single greatest book for reading while on the throne.

The book is written very seriously like a wilderness survival guide, breaking down individual weapons and pros cons (flamethrowers only make flaming zombies, etc) and is very funny.

 

[Airborneguy]

...or while getting getting avery painfully located tattoo. That's when I read it.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Whaddaya think about flishet (sp?) rounds? Basically shotgun shells full of little nails.

Sure, you have to pump the shottie after each shot, but I've heard stories from Vietnam of seeing men tacked to trees and even each other...

Same guy also told me he was one of the first to use a silencer on a M16 in a top secret beta testing in Dien Bien Phu, in which the rifle was now whisper quiet in a closed room, so take that at face value...

The ONLY Bad-assed thing (other than the chick's agreeable awesome ass) in Resident Evil 4 (resuscitations, or regurgitations or whatever it was called) was when she admitted to collecting coins, and then unloaded a sawed off into a monster's groin with a handful of the coins. Definitely dis-emboweling it.

 

[user 574]

I always thought this would be an awesome zombie crowd killer



But you'd need multiple ball bearing bombs 4 sure. And a place to hide while suckling on Halle.

 

[spearko520]

what i want to know is why it seems like no character in a zombie movie or show seems like they have ever seen a zombie movie or show. i would think if there were a zombie apocalypse, unless you've been in a cave for the past thirty years, you would at least have a pretty good awareness of what to do, zombie behavior, etc. They don't even know that when you have a long drawn out fight with a zombie and just barely kill them before they kill you, not to relax and catch your breath- because if they do that the camera will pan in for a close up, and when it pans back, there will be a zombie sneaking up on you. somebody should step up and say- "wait - i saw dead alive"- or something...

 

[BargainMugs]

Most movies and shows, including the Walking Dead have no zombie culture/knowledge/lore previous to the zombie apocalypse.

It's also known as genre blindness.