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I don't think they'll be gone for too long.... I think they were starting to have issues supplying Austin and didn't want to deal with self-distro way up there (they have a distributor in the Houston market, so there's not as much difficulty there).

The way I see the future:
-Chip wins his lawsuit to sell distro rights (yeah, that's still going on).
-LO sells distro rights for an assload of money in the Austin, San Antonio, and DFW markets.
-Chip knocks down a ******* wall in the back of his 2-year-old brewery with a gold sledgehammer and puts in some more fermentation/brite tanks/bigger canning line (they specifically call out the back end/cellaring in their statement. I think their new brew system is big enough for a good long time) and new coffee maker for brewers.
-Everyone has beer. Rejoice.
 
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Austin people: make sure your calendars are clear this upcoming Saturday.
 
My parents neighbors in Houston also have a house somewhere in Austin that has a fly in and out hanger. I guess they just finished building it as they told my wife and I we can use the house if they're not there. They both are retired and he is a pilot and they intend to travel a lot. They want the house to have people in it to keep an eye on things. Works for me.

TLDNR, now have a free place to crash in Austin so we can start to check out the breweries there. Pretty excited about that since Austin > Houston in brewing.
 
Nah, that would be in and out on Friday.

Also my wife showed me it's on their Twitter and told me I'm a dork for thinking I'd know anything first:



Ah damn, I'll be out of town during this year's anniversary party. But I'll be in San Diego, so I think I'll be doing alright beer wise.
 
My parents neighbors in Houston also have a house somewhere in Austin that has a fly in and out hanger. I guess they just finished building it as they told my wife and I we can use the house if they're not there. They both are retired and he is a pilot and they intend to travel a lot. They want the house to have people in it to keep an eye on things. Works for me.

TLDNR, now have a free place to crash in Austin so we can start to check out the breweries there. Pretty excited about that since Austin > Houston in brewing.


can a ***** get an address?
 
This weekend kinda sucked for beer legislation...

HB3287 passed in the Texas House and is on to the Senate to (most likely) pass as well. When breweries reach 175,000 barrels (including their parent companies/subsidiaries), they'll have to pay their distributor for on-site sales, even though the beer will not leave the brewery. This doesn't affect many breweries right now (Oskar Blues, Karbach, Independence, Revolver are the only ones off the top of my head), but I could see it getting ratcheted down in the future as suppliers try to stick their hands in breweries' wallets.

As part of HB3287, off-premises sales were also on the table as part of an amendment.... that was, of course, struck down....

My rep voted for this **** even after I talked to him on the phone and it's pissing me off. Big distributor $$$$ is worth more than your constituents apparently. Not good for anyone other than the distributors. **** being "open for business" I guess.

As a reminder: Texas is now the ONLY state that doesn't allow off-premises at production breweries (brewpubs only).
 
This weekend kinda sucked for beer legislation...

HB3287 passed in the Texas House and is on to the Senate to (most likely) pass as well. When breweries reach 175,000 barrels (including their parent companies/subsidiaries), they'll have to pay their distributor for on-site sales, even though the beer will not leave the brewery. This doesn't affect many breweries right now (Oskar Blues, Karbach, Independence, Revolver are the only ones off the top of my head), but I could see it getting ratcheted down in the future as suppliers try to stick their hands in breweries' wallets.

As part of HB3287, off-premises sales were also on the table as part of an amendment.... that was, of course, struck down....

My rep voted for this **** even after I talked to him on the phone and it's pissing me off. Big distributor $$$$ is worth more than your constituents apparently. Not good for anyone other than the distributors. **** being "open for business" I guess.

As a reminder: Texas is now the ONLY state that doesn't allow off-premises at production breweries (brewpubs only).


I want to know what the argument was for these new laws. It is not the distributors just saying they need more money. Some argument was made on why this change was needed. Does anyone know? And I get that the distributors have a lot of pull and money, but Inbev has more and they were against this and lost, so we can't just say that money was the issue.
 
Beer laws continue to be assbackwards. It's amazing to see the level of control distributors have.
 
I want to know what the argument was for these new laws. It is not the distributors just saying they need more money. Some argument was made on why this change was needed. Does anyone know? And I get that the distributors have a lot of pull and money, but Inbev has more and they were against this and lost, so we can't just say that money was the issue.


Basically "protecting the consumer from 'crafty MACRO' beer" was how they sold it.

BTW: no craft breweries were behind this legislation.

And yes, that's real. And yes, our legislators are that dumb. I really need to find a live stream archive as I'd really love to see how they defended not allowing taproom sales when wineries and distilleries already have that right.
 
I'd like to point out once again that I can buy Meridian Hive mead at the Farmer's Market in a growler.

So direct from the meadery (that follows winery rules, not beer manufactuers rules), at a public event, off-premises.
 


Basically "protecting the consumer from 'crafty MACRO' beer" was how they sold it.

BTW: no craft breweries were behind this legislation.

And yes, that's real. And yes, our legislators are that dumb. I really need to find a live stream archive as I'd really love to see how they defended not allowing taproom sales when wineries and distilleries already have that right.


Thank you. So basically the threat is that Coors would build tasting rooms and sell their beer cheaply there thus cutting out distributors and wholesellers and Wal malt and specs would go broke and this would cause craft brewery to go broke cause all those current craft drinkers would go to their new coors light brewery bar instead of a craft brewery, a bar, or a package store. I understand now and thank the State for protecting me again and securing competitiveness for everyone!
 
Thank you. So basically the threat is that Coors would build tasting rooms and sell their beer cheaply there thus cutting out distributors and wholesellers and Wal malt and specs would go broke and this would cause craft brewery to go broke cause all those current craft drinkers would go to their new coors light brewery bar instead of a craft brewery, a bar, or a package store. I understand now and thank the State for protecting me again and securing competitiveness for everyone!

The way the distributors sold it was pretending they spoke on behalf of the craft brewers who want to prevent the scenario you describe. The reality is that the distributors want to keep control of distribution and limit how breweries sell direct to the public.

The letter gives legislators deniability when criticized by craft brewers and craft beer drinkers while holding their hand out for distributor cash.
 
I supported the bill in its original iteration for a few reasons:
  1. It was good for true craft competition - basically it would have harmed breweries like Karbach, punishing those who choose to "sell out."
  2. Fears of "ratcheting down the limit" I think are overblown. Sure, the distributors will probably try to do something like that eventually, given how greedy and old-dinosaurish they are, but there'd be at least two years before they could even try, thanks to the archaic legislative process, and that's all a big assumption based on "distributors are evil" which I don't think is true. I think it's more reasonable to say that they're just dumb and grasping for straws.
  3. I don't care about a brewery's book value as a consumer. This is the point where I disagreed with the breweries. While many breweries probably look at #1 and agree, and some likely look at #2 and agree, this is the point where my interests as a consumer and their interests as producers no longer dovetail. There are two reasons I don't care about the fact that this bill will decrease (in theory) the book value of a brewery:
    1. It decreases the book value because it lowers the potential value for a buyout - i.e. a new buyer would be less likely to be able to sell beer on premise, and that would lower their interest. This is great! As someone who wants fewer buyouts and less consolidation, I am happy for this side effect, not unhappy. Nor should other consumers who want less consolidation and greater choice. This is an unintended side effect.
    2. I strongly believe that worries of capital being harder to raise through debt and private investment opportunities due to this "decreased book value" are overblown and mostly unfounded. This also has two reasons behind it: First, right now debt capital is literally there for the taking; banks are trying so hard to lend money, I've never seen debt availability this high, it's frankly absurd. (And topic for another time, a very good indication that we're fast approaching another recession.) And second, those decreases in book valuations are based entirely on hypothetical limits that are fairly astronomical compared to where most breweries are - the largest Texas breweries are producing 60k bbls. Small breweries looking for small investment rounds are nowhere near that and won't reach 175k without incredible growth (and therefore incredible RoI) such that any investor worth the money they're investing won't see any noticeable decrease in value.
That said, now that the bill has morphed into a way for distro to claw back money from those big guys, I no longer think it's a good idea and I no longer support it. It doesn't really execute #1, reinforces the conclusion of #2 (that they're dumb and grasping), and the value for me in #3 is not outsized enough to be worth the risks when #1 isn't happening. That is, I can see some downsides in potential decrease in book value, but find that as a consumer that's outweighed by the benefits of punishing consolidation, something that the bill in its current form no longer does. So the equation is not positive.

Sad.

[One tiny note: it's important to remember that as consumers, our interests usually but not always intersect with the interests of the producers. This means that while it's a good barometer to see how the breweries feel about something, it's by no means a perfect barometer. One simple example: I wish it were legal for out-of-state breweries to ship beer directly to consumers in Texas. The Brewers' Guild, on the other hand, (although they might not lobby against such a thing) does not support this. Why would they? It's increased competition from out of state with no investment in state...]
 
I supported the bill in its original iteration for a few reasons:
  1. It was good for true craft competition - basically it would have harmed breweries like Karbach, punishing those who choose to "sell out."
  2. Fears of "ratcheting down the limit" I think are overblown. Sure, the distributors will probably try to do something like that eventually, given how greedy and old-dinosaurish they are, but there'd be at least two years before they could even try, thanks to the archaic legislative process, and that's all a big assumption based on "distributors are evil" which I don't think is true. I think it's more reasonable to say that they're just dumb and grasping for straws.
  3. I don't care about a brewery's book value as a consumer. This is the point where I disagreed with the breweries. While many breweries probably look at #1 and agree, and some likely look at #2 and agree, this is the point where my interests as a consumer and their interests as producers no longer dovetail. There are two reasons I don't care about the fact that this bill will decrease (in theory) the book value of a brewery:
    1. It decreases the book value because it lowers the potential value for a buyout - i.e. a new buyer would be less likely to be able to sell beer on premise, and that would lower their interest. This is great! As someone who wants fewer buyouts and less consolidation, I am happy for this side effect, not unhappy. Nor should other consumers who want less consolidation and greater choice. This is an unintended side effect.
    2. I strongly believe that worries of capital being harder to raise through debt and private investment opportunities due to this "decreased book value" are overblown and mostly unfounded. This also has two reasons behind it: First, right now debt capital is literally there for the taking; banks are trying so hard to lend money, I've never seen debt availability this high, it's frankly absurd. (And topic for another time, a very good indication that we're fast approaching another recession.) And second, those decreases in book valuations are based entirely on hypothetical limits that are fairly astronomical compared to where most breweries are - the largest Texas breweries are producing 60k bbls. Small breweries looking for small investment rounds are nowhere near that and won't reach 175k without incredible growth (and therefore incredible RoI) such that any investor worth the money they're investing won't see any noticeable decrease in value.
That said, now that the bill has morphed into a way for distro to claw back money from those big guys, I no longer think it's a good idea and I no longer support it. It doesn't really execute #1, reinforces the conclusion of #2 (that they're dumb and grasping), and the value for me in #3 is not outsized enough to be worth the risks when #1 isn't happening. That is, I can see some downsides in potential decrease in book value, but find that as a consumer that's outweighed by the benefits of punishing consolidation, something that the bill in its current form no longer does. So the equation is not positive.

Sad.

[One tiny note: it's important to remember that as consumers, our interests usually but not always intersect with the interests of the producers. This means that while it's a good barometer to see how the breweries feel about something, it's by no means a perfect barometer. One simple example: I wish it were legal for out-of-state breweries to ship beer directly to consumers in Texas. The Brewers' Guild, on the other hand, (although they might not lobby against such a thing) does not support this. Why would they? It's increased competition from out of state with no investment in state...]
Hey Nathan, whatever happened to Open The Taps, btw?

I'm surprised you're not more on the breweries' side on this one even though you're leaning that direction. :)
 
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I supported the bill in its original iteration for a few reasons:
  1. It was good for true craft competition - basically it would have harmed breweries like Karbach, punishing those who choose to "sell out."
  2. Fears of "ratcheting down the limit" I think are overblown. Sure, the distributors will probably try to do something like that eventually, given how greedy and old-dinosaurish they are, but there'd be at least two years before they could even try, thanks to the archaic legislative process, and that's all a big assumption based on "distributors are evil" which I don't think is true. I think it's more reasonable to say that they're just dumb and grasping for straws.
  3. I don't care about a brewery's book value as a consumer. This is the point where I disagreed with the breweries. While many breweries probably look at #1 and agree, and some likely look at #2 and agree, this is the point where my interests as a consumer and their interests as producers no longer dovetail. There are two reasons I don't care about the fact that this bill will decrease (in theory) the book value of a brewery:
    1. It decreases the book value because it lowers the potential value for a buyout - i.e. a new buyer would be less likely to be able to sell beer on premise, and that would lower their interest. This is great! As someone who wants fewer buyouts and less consolidation, I am happy for this side effect, not unhappy. Nor should other consumers who want less consolidation and greater choice. This is an unintended side effect.
    2. I strongly believe that worries of capital being harder to raise through debt and private investment opportunities due to this "decreased book value" are overblown and mostly unfounded. This also has two reasons behind it: First, right now debt capital is literally there for the taking; banks are trying so hard to lend money, I've never seen debt availability this high, it's frankly absurd. (And topic for another time, a very good indication that we're fast approaching another recession.) And second, those decreases in book valuations are based entirely on hypothetical limits that are fairly astronomical compared to where most breweries are - the largest Texas breweries are producing 60k bbls. Small breweries looking for small investment rounds are nowhere near that and won't reach 175k without incredible growth (and therefore incredible RoI) such that any investor worth the money they're investing won't see any noticeable decrease in value.
That said, now that the bill has morphed into a way for distro to claw back money from those big guys, I no longer think it's a good idea and I no longer support it. It doesn't really execute #1, reinforces the conclusion of #2 (that they're dumb and grasping), and the value for me in #3 is not outsized enough to be worth the risks when #1 isn't happening. That is, I can see some downsides in potential decrease in book value, but find that as a consumer that's outweighed by the benefits of punishing consolidation, something that the bill in its current form no longer does. So the equation is not positive.

Sad.

[One tiny note: it's important to remember that as consumers, our interests usually but not always intersect with the interests of the producers. This means that while it's a good barometer to see how the breweries feel about something, it's by no means a perfect barometer. One simple example: I wish it were legal for out-of-state breweries to ship beer directly to consumers in Texas. The Brewers' Guild, on the other hand, (although they might not lobby against such a thing) does not support this. Why would they? It's increased competition from out of state with no investment in state...]

Seems to me the government is picking winners and losers, even in your explanation, and I can not support that.
 
Hey Nathan, whatever happened to Open The Taps, btw?

I'm surprised you're not more on the breweries' side on this one even though you're leaning that direction. :)

http://houstonbeerguide.com/open-the-taps-needs-your-help/ :(

And in the end, yeah, I am on the breweries' side.

Seems to me the government is picking winners and losers, even in your explanation, and I can not support that.

I consider this a consumer protection issue, and I don't consider consumer protection "picking winners and losers."

If this hadn't turned into a stupid cash grab, I'd still support it.
 
If people think there are too many children at Pinthouse Burnet and Lamar, just wait til this opens:


The rumors were true, I guess!

Freaking sweet. I never minded going to Burnet, since it's near work, but this is gonna be so much easier for me to get to from our place once it opens. Interesting that they're building from the ground up this time around (I remember going to the S. Lamar location when it was a Chili's for example, lol)
 

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