The TEXAS thread!

[SirDickButts]

i wanna say $14 a bottle...unless the pricing went up $2.

...dude said to add a JK sour he would need at least 2 Bruery BA stouts for the 1 bottle....

that guy is a **** boy...whoever that is...

 

[Rau711]

i wanna say $14 a bottle...unless the pricing went up $2.


that guy is a **** boy...whoever that is...

Yeah, I was baffled. My brother trades Firestone pretty much exclusively, so he doesn't trade much. He wasn't sure if JK was at that level, and I told him to tell that dude to **** off. The trade was a Vanilla for a Parabajava 1:1. Then to expand on shipping I gave my brother a few Bruery beers, Chocolate salty bbls and a wineification 2 and 3, and he said 2 of those would get a JK fruited sour. I laughed.

 

[ExPimp]

People of Texas, can you be of assistance to me on some Pricing/counts of the Karbach Vanilla BBH and chocolate BBH? Trying to decide if I want to try to trade for them, but don't want to go too hard at them if that is what is required.

I could buy them at my local grocery store for $13.50 plus tax. They had each one for about a week with no limit and I live in Austin, 3.5hrs away from the brewery. They are both super tasty, but could easily be landed with other tasty selfies.\\

Yeah, I was baffled. My brother trades Firestone pretty much exclusively, so he doesn't trade much. He wasn't sure if JK was at that level, and I told him to tell that dude to **** off. The trade was a Vanilla for a Parabajava 1:1. Then to expand on shipping I gave my brother a few Bruery beers, Chocolate salty bbls and a wineification 2 and 3, and he said 2 of those would get a JK fruited sour. I laughed.

That's some straight doo doo. Who is this Texas BA chump? People in Texas have been holding those JK fruit sours hostage which is ridiculous given the frequency they're being released and the counts on some (3K plus). I'm a hoarders member and I can barely get an IP trade in Austin 1:1 on HS only beers...

 

[Hubarooski]

Yeah, I was baffled. My brother trades Firestone pretty much exclusively, so he doesn't trade much. He wasn't sure if JK was at that level, and I told him to tell that dude to **** off. The trade was a Vanilla for a Parabajava 1:1. Then to expand on shipping I gave my brother a few Bruery beers, Chocolate salty bbls and a wineification 2 and 3, and he said 2 of those would get a JK fruited sour. I laughed.

LOL, send him here:
http://www.talkbeer.com/community/threads/operation-find-the-shittiest-deal-on-beer-advocate.29500/

 

[Rau711]

I could buy them at my local grocery store for $13.50 plus tax. They had each one for about a week with no limit and I live in Austin, 3.5hrs away from the brewery. They are both super tasty, but could easily be landed with other tasty selfies.\\



That's some straight doo doo. Who is this Texas BA chump? People in Texas have been holding those JK fruit sours hostage which is ridiculous given the frequency they're being released and the counts on some (3K plus). I'm a hoarders member and I can barely get an IP trade in Austin 1:1 on HS only beers...

I think the dude is Chris_M22. I just got some JK sours from Indytruks138 for picking a square right in the SB games. I haven't tried to trade for them, I was going to until Indytruks138 hooked it up, but I had no idea they were being hoarded.

 

[ExPimp]

I think the dude is Chris_M22. I just got some JK sours from Indytruks138 for picking a square right in the SB games. I haven't tried to trade for them, I was going to until Indytruks138 hooked it up, but I had no idea they were being hoarded.

Some people do... At this point I usually just drink mine, send them to regulars, or as thank you to my trustees (Bruery/Schramms). I don't make it out that often because I work every weekend, but the local M-F 9-5ers can easily triple down on any allocation (1-3 per person per day) if they want to, and usually do to maximize their trade bait stockpile. Those also tend to be the ones that hoard them or are always trying to trade up... go figure.

 

[Rau711]

Some people do... At this point I usually just drink mine, send them to regulars, or as thank you to my trustees (Bruery/Schramms). I don't make it out that often because I work every weekend, but the local M-F 9-5ers can easily triple down on any allocation (1-3 per person per day) if they want to, and usually do to maximize their trade bait stockpile. Those also tend to be the ones that hoard them or are always trying to trade up... go figure.

Seems like every state goes through this phase. Texas just happens to be 2016.

 

[ckowalski]

Seems like every state goes through this phase. Texas just happens to be 2016.

If Jordan cant help you out ive got a couple chocolate and vanilla at home for cost + label also.

 

[Indytruks1381]

I think the dude is Chris_M22. I just got some JK sours from Indytruks138 for picking a square right in the SB games. I haven't tried to trade for them, I was going to until Indytruks138 hooked it up, but I had no idea they were being hoarded.

Plenty of good Texas folk happy to hook up good people. I'd do it more if it wasn't a 4 hour drive.

 

[nathanmiller]

Seems like every state goes through this phase. Texas just happens to be 2016.

2014, 2015, 2016...

It's hard because Texas only very recently got anything that anyone asked for, and since then, that hasn't exactly blown up.

Look at the MAW threads for instance - you'll see JK, Yellow Rose, LO Hefe, and... that's it.

There actually is a ton of other good stuff in Texas, but it's not got any "value" as far as traders are concerned. I tend to trade more like you, not caring about value or whatever, and instead just trading with people I know I can trust, or in BIFs like there's no tomorrow.

But anyone who trades along the 'value' line frequently doesn't have much ammo in Texas, and that hasn't grown much in years.

 

[shelf_turd_ferguson]

That's some straight doo doo. Who is this Texas BA chump? People in Texas have been holding those JK fruit sours hostage which is ridiculous given the frequency they're being released and the counts on some (3K plus). I'm a hoarders member and I can barely get an IP trade in Austin 1:1 on HS only beers...

Some people do... At this point I usually just drink mine, send them to regulars, or as thank you to my trustees (Bruery/Schramms). I don't make it out that often because I work every weekend, but the local M-F 9-5ers can easily triple down on any allocation (1-3 per person per day) if they want to, and usually do to maximize their trade bait stockpile. Those also tend to be the ones that hoard them or are always trying to trade up... go figure.

Sounds like you want more JK fruits, but have trouble landing them with the HS beers you're offering. There are a few HS beers I'd trade a fruit for, not for myself, but to share with one or a few people I have in mind (such as my older brother when he visits). We've done a few mule/trades before, so sling me a list if you want.

Not defending someone asking for w/e they asked for, but here's some info and notes, so it's out there.

Frequency: ~once a year for each type (hardly what I'd call frequent).

Bottle counts: between ~2k (BdS?) and ~12k (Atrial) total, with individual batches numbering between 900 and 5 or 6k. No distribution. (FO was 3-4k, hit some distro, and plans to be once per year, for comparison. I've had some aged berry fruits that were amazing like FO.)

Limits: 1-3 per day, so people can triple down if it lasts three days and they go out all three days. If it lasts longer, they can get more.

Hoarding: Some tend to get better with age, so cellar might be a more accurate term. Others are better fresh or go through ups and downs. Preference varies by palate. And yes, some are hoarded as trade bait. JK fruited sours are the most "valuable" thing in TX. What else is there for people who want to get other things? One may say it's unfortunate, but it's what beer has been and remains, it's just gotten worse overall. TX was new to it when AR first came out, and is now caught up.

Personally: I send them to my regulars or repeat traders, in BIFs, just a few one off trades, or drink them mainly with family who likes beer but doesn't trade.

2014, 2015, 2016...

It's hard because Texas only very recently got anything that anyone asked for, and since then, that hasn't exactly blown up.

Look at the MAW threads for instance - you'll see JK, Yellow Rose, LO Hefe, and... that's it.

There actually is a ton of other good stuff in Texas, but it's not got any "value" as far as traders are concerned. I tend to trade more like you, not caring about value or whatever, and instead just trading with people I know I can trust, or in BIFs like there's no tomorrow.

But anyone who trades along the 'value' line frequently doesn't have much ammo in Texas, and that hasn't grown much in years.

^^^This. Doesn't seem to bother myself or most traders I know, I like my regulars and repeat guys. Would be nice to see more TX wishes in the MAW-Shelf Turd, but Tree House is in MA
In fact, most LO Hefe ISOs I've seen have ended with cost+label deals, so I guess we're shooting ourselves in the foot there I think myself and one other fellow have done ten gpiufmb between the two of us.

 

[Rau711]

2014, 2015, 2016...

It's hard because Texas only very recently got anything that anyone asked for, and since then, that hasn't exactly blown up.

Look at the MAW threads for instance - you'll see JK, Yellow Rose, LO Hefe, and... that's it.

There actually is a ton of other good stuff in Texas, but it's not got any "value" as far as traders are concerned. I tend to trade more like you, not caring about value or whatever, and instead just trading with people I know I can trust, or in BIFs like there's no tomorrow.

But anyone who trades along the 'value' line frequently doesn't have much ammo in Texas, and that hasn't grown much in years.

I have had some Deep Ellum beers, the IPA was pretty boring, but the coffee porter was very solid. I think it boils down to style. JK has the popular style to get hype, Yellow Rose is in the "new" IPA hype, and LO Hefe still has the old school hype. I'm sure it happens everywhere, it happens here in my area. Libertine is starting to get some love, wild ales, but a lot of other local breweries are making some solid to great beers and nobody cares because they aren't hype styles.

 

[boogercrack]

I have had some Deep Ellum beers, the IPA was pretty boring, but the coffee porter was very solid. I think it boils down to style. JK has the popular style to get hype, Yellow Rose is in the "new" IPA hype, and LO Hefe still has the old school hype. I'm sure it happens everywhere, it happens here in my area. Libertine is starting to get some love, wild ales, but a lot of other local breweries are making some solid to great beers and nobody cares because they aren't hype styles.

deep ellum and the guys that run that place can go get ******

 

[Rau711]

deep ellum and the guys that run that place can go get ******

I have no idea the story behind this, are they on here and I don't know it, or do you not like them?

 

[user 305169]

I have had some Deep Ellum beers, the IPA was pretty boring, but the coffee porter was very solid. I think it boils down to style. JK has the popular style to get hype, Yellow Rose is in the "new" IPA hype, and LO Hefe still has the old school hype. I'm sure it happens everywhere, it happens here in my area. Libertine is starting to get some love, wild ales, but a lot of other local breweries are making some solid to great beers and nobody cares because they aren't hype styles.

Collective Brewing Project in Ft Worth makes only sours & saisons. Petite Golden Sour is excellent, and their fruited variants are legitimately hype-worthy. Guessing they don't have much fanfare because they've only done one brewery-only release (a sour red that was okay) and only recently started bottling. I send growlers to my trading partners, who have nothing but great things to say about them. Definitely recommend checking them out.

But you're right: the vast majority of TX beers can't compete on quality with the beers from other regions that trade above $4$. We don't have many breweries making the "hype" styles, and there are even fewer brewery-only releases. We'll get there someday, but until then, TX traders' ability to acquire anything other than $4$ beers from other regions is stunted.

 

[Rau711]

Collective Brewing Project in Ft Worth makes only sours & saisons. Petite Golden Sour is excellent, and their fruited variants are legitimately hype-worthy. Guessing they don't have much fanfare because they've only done one brewery-only release (a sour red that was okay) and only recently started bottling. I send growlers to my trading partners, who have nothing but great things to say about them. Definitely recommend checking them out.

But you're right: the vast majority of TX beers can't compete on quality with the beers from other regions that trade above $4$. We don't have many breweries making the "hype" styles, and there are even fewer brewery-only releases. We'll get there someday, but until then, TX traders' ability to acquire anything other than $4$ beers from other regions is stunted.

Sounds like the early stages of Libertine. It is very hard for someone in California to want a beer that is draft only in Texas. Word of mouth has to be VERY strong.

 

[boogercrack]

I have no idea the story behind this, are they on here and I don't know it, or do you not like them?

just some real DBs that have rubbed a LOT of people the wrong way. I've sent out their beers before in can bifs and the such, but I'm out on them now.

Collective Brewing Project in Ft Worth makes only sours & saisons. Petite Golden Sour is excellent, and their fruited variants are legitimately hype-worthy. Guessing they don't have much fanfare because they've only done one brewery-only release (a sour red that was okay) and only recently started bottling. I send growlers to my trading partners, who have nothing but great things to say about them. Definitely recommend checking them out.

But you're right: the vast majority of TX beers can't compete on quality with the beers from other regions that trade above $4$. We don't have many breweries making the "hype" styles, and there are even fewer brewery-only releases. We'll get there someday, but until then, TX traders' ability to acquire anything other than $4$ beers from other regions is stunted.

uh.... iso

 

[nathanmiller]

I have no idea the story behind this, are they on here and I don't know it, or do you not like them?

They're complete ********. They've done a number of things to this effect including: fighting legislation that was designed to help breweries in Texas because it would as a byproduct prevent them from getting a large cash payout that they thought they had coming; kickstarting a tasting room after saying they would never want a tasting room as reasoning for fighting that legislation; kickstarting a legal fund to sue the state after they failed to get what they want (this in and of itself is not unreasonable, but the way they handle the $$$ part of things is - they expect to get everything for free or as a cash payout to them). They've also been openly sexist and attacked customers. They're bad people. I could write a novel about the first complaint on this list, but the summary is probably enough.

++++

As for Texas beers that I'd personally trade for knowing what I know? In addition to the ones named above, there's also tons of great stuff from Freetail, Oasis (mmmmm Meta Modern), Brash (depending on who you ask, I suppose), Pinthouse Pizza, Blue Owl, Lakewood, and others. There's also beers from less-exciting breweries that are excellent, like No Label Perpetual Peace, Southern Star Black Crack, etc. But none of these are "sexy" so that's the main issue. A shelf-for-shelf from Texas to another state would almost certainly be an awesome trade on both sides, but most traders don't do shelf-for-shelf. (Which is why I love the shelf MAW so much.)

 

[Rau711]

They're complete ********. They've done a number of things to this effect including: fighting legislation that was designed to help breweries in Texas because it would as a byproduct prevent them from getting a large cash payout that they thought they had coming; kickstarting a tasting room after saying they would never want a tasting room as reasoning for fighting that legislation; kickstarting a legal fund to sue the state after they failed to get what they want (this in and of itself is not unreasonable, but the way they handle the $$$ part of things is - they expect to get everything for free or as a cash payout to them). They've also been openly sexist and attacked customers. They're bad people. I could write a novel about the first complaint on this list, but the summary is probably enough.

++++

As for Texas beers that I'd personally trade for knowing what I know? In addition to the ones named above, there's also tons of great stuff from Freetail, Oasis (mmmmm Meta Modern), Brash (depending on who you ask, I suppose), Pinthouse Pizza, Blue Owl, Lakewood, and others. There's also beers from less-exciting breweries that are excellent, like No Label Perpetual Peace, Southern Star Black Crack, etc. But none of these are "sexy" so that's the main issue. A shelf-for-shelf from Texas to another state would almost certainly be an awesome trade on both sides, but most traders don't do shelf-for-shelf. (Which is why I love the shelf MAW so much.)

Yeah shelf to shelf is a lot harder these days for me. Firestone is getting sent more and more places. They are already doing test batches at Boulevard and Ommegang, which should mean even more distro for the standard items. On the flip side Firestone is cutting back on their contract brews to brew the Boulevard and Ommegang stuff. More beers seeing more distribution. The shelf MAW is great. Next time I grant I will make a big Texas list to get all you guys involved.

 

[boogercrack]

Yeah shelf to shelf is a lot harder these days for me. Firestone is getting sent more and more places. They are already doing test batches at Boulevard and Ommegang, which should mean even more distro for the standard items. On the flip side Firestone is cutting back on their contract brews to brew the Boulevard and Ommegang stuff. More beers seeing more distribution. The shelf MAW is great. Next time I grant I will make a big Texas list to get all you guys involved.

if you trend the wants in the shelf maw, it's super modal. many of the lists are tough for texas too. live oak OR lone pint ANNNNNDDDDDD nothing within 1,000 miles.

 

[Lutter]

I wouldn't trade for BBH Chocolate, but BBH Vanilla is one of the best I've had in that flavor. It's like a thinner-bodied Vanilla Rye.

BBH Chocolate IS still on shelves around me... whereas BBHV sold out in less than a day.

 

[boogercrack]

I wouldn't trade for BBH Chocolate, but BBH Vanilla is one of the best I've had in that flavor. It's like a thinner-bodied Vanilla Rye.

BBH Chocolate IS still on shelves around me... whereas BBHV sold out in less than a day.

Man **** the suburbs. I never saw a single bottle of Chocolate, and I'm just south of Houston. lol.

 

[Lutter]

Man **** the suburbs. I never saw a single bottle of Chocolate, and I'm just south of Houston. lol.

Karbach always seems to send a fuckload of FUN/BBH to Round Rock for some reason.

 

[Rau711]

if you trend the wants in the shelf maw, it's super modal. many of the lists are tough for texas too. live oak OR lone pint ANNNNNDDDDDD nothing within 1,000 miles.

Texas is a pretty small state! haha. To be honest until I was down in Dallas last month I think the only 3 Texas breweries I could name off the top of my head were JK, Live Oak and Lone Pint.

 

[jan63]

Collective Brewing Project in Ft Worth makes only sours & saisons. Petite Golden Sour is excellent, and their fruited variants are legitimately hype-worthy. Guessing they don't have much fanfare because they've only done one brewery-only release (a sour red that was okay) and only recently started bottling. I send growlers to my trading partners, who have nothing but great things to say about them. Definitely recommend checking them out.

But you're right: the vast majority of TX beers can't compete on quality with the beers from other regions that trade above $4$. We don't have many breweries making the "hype" styles, and there are even fewer brewery-only releases. We'll get there someday, but until then, TX traders' ability to acquire anything other than $4$ beers from other regions is stunted.

Collective sounds awesome, will have to check out when I visit.

 

[Hookemhops13]

They're complete ********. They've done a number of things to this effect including: fighting legislation that was designed to help breweries in Texas because it would as a byproduct prevent them from getting a large cash payout that they thought they had coming; kickstarting a tasting room after saying they would never want a tasting room as reasoning for fighting that legislation; kickstarting a legal fund to sue the state after they failed to get what they want (this in and of itself is not unreasonable, but the way they handle the $$$ part of things is - they expect to get everything for free or as a cash payout to them). They've also been openly sexist and attacked customers. They're bad people. I could write a novel about the first complaint on this list, but the summary is probably enough.

++++

As for Texas beers that I'd personally trade for knowing what I know? In addition to the ones named above, there's also tons of great stuff from Freetail, Oasis (mmmmm Meta Modern), Brash (depending on who you ask, I suppose), Pinthouse Pizza, Blue Owl, Lakewood, and others. There's also beers from less-exciting breweries that are excellent, like No Label Perpetual Peace, Southern Star Black Crack, etc. But none of these are "sexy" so that's the main issue. A shelf-for-shelf from Texas to another state would almost certainly be an awesome trade on both sides, but most traders don't do shelf-for-shelf. (Which is why I love the shelf MAW so much.)

Don't forget Real Ale. They are so consistently good that I tend to leave them out as well. 4 squared is great, Mysterium Verum stuff is outstanding. ABW as well. H&G Zoe.

 

[boogercrack]

Don't forget Real Ale. They are so consistently good that I tend to leave them out as well. 4 squared is great, Mysterium Verum stuff is outstanding. ABW as well. H&G Zoe.

QFT.

Real Ale may be the most complete top to bottom brewery in Texas. All the "everything's gotta be turnt up to 190%" noobs don't get it.

 

[SirDickButts]

real ale and live oak are my favorite texas breweries. hands down.
i'd punt a baby for a can of live oak roggienbier.

 

[jbeezification1]

They're complete ********. They've done a number of things to this effect including: fighting legislation that was designed to help breweries in Texas because it would as a byproduct prevent them from getting a large cash payout that they thought they had coming; kickstarting a tasting room after saying they would never want a tasting room as reasoning for fighting that legislation; kickstarting a legal fund to sue the state after they failed to get what they want (this in and of itself is not unreasonable, but the way they handle the $$$ part of things is - they expect to get everything for free or as a cash payout to them). They've also been openly sexist and attacked customers. They're bad people. I could write a novel about the first complaint on this list, but the summary is probably enough.

++++

As for Texas beers that I'd personally trade for knowing what I know? In addition to the ones named above, there's also tons of great stuff from Freetail, Oasis (mmmmm Meta Modern), Brash (depending on who you ask, I suppose), Pinthouse Pizza, Blue Owl, Lakewood, and others. There's also beers from less-exciting breweries that are excellent, like No Label Perpetual Peace, Southern Star Black Crack, etc. But none of these are "sexy" so that's the main issue. A shelf-for-shelf from Texas to another state would almost certainly be an awesome trade on both sides, but most traders don't do shelf-for-shelf. (Which is why I love the shelf MAW so much.)

Brash sucks.

 

[Lutter]

Deep Ellum's IPA went from a great peachy IPA to a soapy mess years ago when they changed the recipe... They rest on the laurels of Dallas Blonde, which to me is the poor mans' Fireman's 4 (craft beer for the masses).

They've done a lot of horrible things to craft beer in the name of profits including opposing legislation that opened up sales at breweries and using their fans with Kickstarters.