The San Diego area thread

[chemman141]

You should learn more about this site, especially the SD scene, before continually trying to force trades. TB is not overall that heavy on trading and pushes back against people who come here only for that reason.

San Diego is a great beer town and us on TB are more than happy to help out with advice and meet up. However, we are more about meeting new people, having impromptu bottle shares, hitting up food joints, and drinking way too many lagers and ipas. Trading never really is discussed. Sometimes beers are exchanged, but typically more between friends, and more as gifts.

Yes I know this can come off as pretentious. I am not trying to make this sound like a special club and only those we deem worthy can be part of it. Everyone is welcome to join in, all are welcome. If you hit up some of the SD regular spots (O'brien's, Toronado, Societe, etc) I am sure you will either run into some of these members or find people will to meetup and share a beer.

I hope you have a good time in SD. Feel free to ask more questions about SD, even if not beer related.

I am welcome?!?!? YES!

 

[Tyrsis]

Interesting.

 

[chemman141]

Interesting.

Saw that, what a dope opportunity for Ehren.

 

[Tyrsis]

Copenhagen stealin all our brewers man

 

[sdreaper]

Copenhagen stealin all our brewers man

Kinda curious who is taking the reigns up at Toolbox now. Never really paid much attention since Ehren initially took over. I always thought it was basically a one-man show.

 

[SDBeerInsider]

I tried 1, 2, 3……… 8 different lagers yesterday, and that was one of my favorites.

Also, the San Diego lager scene is currently in good hands. This is my favorite beer trend. <3

Zwickel vs Special was a real Sophie's Choice for me last week.... will be interesting to see if Special drops off at all over a few weeks.

 

[arren]

Kinda curious who is taking the reigns up at Toolbox now. Never really paid much attention since Ehren initially took over. I always thought it was basically a one-man show.

The inconsistency always bugged me. One of their apricot saisons was really good, but everything else has had tinges of diacetyl, burning rubber, and other weird flaws that shouldn't be happening on a regular basis.

I'll admit that I'm heavily biased though; them Perrecone days were straight fire, and I had some incredible hopes that we'd finally get a solid 100% wild ale brewery in San Diego.

 

[chemman141]

The inconsistency always bugged me. One of their apricot saisons was really good, but everything else has had tinges of diacetyl, burning rubber, and other weird flaws that shouldn't be happening on a regular basis.

I'll admit that I'm heavily biased though; them Perrecone days were straight fire, and I had some incredible hopes that we'd finally get a solid 100% wild ale brewery in San Diego.

I agree, its funny that a lot of people say the opposite. That Perrecone days were garbage and Ehren days were gold. I tend to agree with you.

 

[SDBeerInsider]

I'll admit that I'm heavily biased though; them Perrecone days were straight fire, and I had some incredible hopes that we'd finally get a solid 100% wild ale brewery in San Diego.

has Peter released any sours with BB yet? haven't heard much since he joined up with them....

 

[drbenzo1]

has Peter released any sours with BB yet? haven't heard much since he joined up with them....

Yup
They quietly released 3 really good beers so far.

 

[Tyrsis]

I don't think I've had Batch 3, but 1 and 2 were wonderful.

 

[sdreaper]

Had batch 3 last saturday and it was drinking quite well for not having any fruit in it.

Haven't had batch 1 nor batch 2...but I also didn't want to get up from sitting on Tyrsis' cooler to get them.

 

[Xul1]

I agree, its funny that a lot of people say the opposite. That Perrecone days were garbage and Ehren days were gold. I tend to agree with you.

There are cults of personality in both directions. I can 100% understand the reactions of people who are actual, personal friends of Peter but there are a lot of people who had no personal connection to him but took his "side," as well as people who went in the opposite direction. Having heard parts of both perspectives, I think the two major takeaways are that 1) this is a business and sometimes business decisions have to be made that appear ****** from the outside and 2) brewery owners should be cautious about letting a brewer with no ownership stake be the face of their brewery.

Personally, I think both Peter and Ehren were somewhat inconsistent with flashes of brilliance, but I thought Ehren was developing a nice program both for funky saisons and fruited sours that would produce good results over time. Can't fault him for taking the opportunity with Mikkeller though, it's a hell of a chance to do some cool **** and network his ass off.

 

[chemman141]

There are cults of personality in both directions. I can 100% understand the reactions of people who are actual, personal friends of Peter but there are a lot of people who had no personal connection to him but took his "side," as well as people who went in the opposite direction. Having heard parts of both perspectives, I think the two major takeaways are that 1) this is a business and sometimes business decisions have to be made that appear ****** from the outside and 2) brewery owners should be cautious about letting a brewer with no ownership stake be the face of their brewery.

Personally, I think both Peter and Ehren were somewhat inconsistent with flashes of brilliance, but I thought Ehren was developing a nice program both for funky saisons and fruited sours that would produce good results over time. Can't fault him for taking the opportunity with Mikkeller though, it's a hell of a chance to do some cool **** and network his ass off.

You are so damn good at summing things up, definitely nailed it here.

 

[Sage1]

brewery owners should be cautious about letting a brewer with no ownership stake be the face of their brewery.

This is a very smart take home message.

 

[drbenzo1]

I don't think I've had Batch 3, but 1 and 2 were wonderful.

I got one and haven't opened it yet.
But yes B1 and 2 were great!

 

[Tyrsis]

Had batch 3 last saturday and it was drinking quite well for not having any fruit in it.

Haven't had batch 1 nor batch 2...but I also didn't want to get up from sitting on Tyrsis' cooler to get them.

Can't believe we didn't open those.

No, that was probably a good idea.

 

[nanobrew1]

I still have not had any of the BB sours

 

[arren]

There are cults of personality in both directions. I can 100% understand the reactions of people who are actual, personal friends of Peter but there are a lot of people who had no personal connection to him but took his "side," as well as people who went in the opposite direction. Having heard parts of both perspectives, I think the two major takeaways are that 1) this is a business and sometimes business decisions have to be made that appear ****** from the outside and 2) brewery owners should be cautious about letting a brewer with no ownership stake be the face of their brewery.

Personally, I think both Peter and Ehren were somewhat inconsistent with flashes of brilliance, but I thought Ehren was developing a nice program both for funky saisons and fruited sours that would produce good results over time. Can't fault him for taking the opportunity with Mikkeller though, it's a hell of a chance to do some cool **** and network his ass off.

Eh, I simply swing toward Peter because I think he made better beer.

No hard feelings anywhere; I'm just a beer whore that goes where the good beer goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[blackzag05]

I still have not had any of the BB sours

Me either

 

[sdreaper]

Can't believe we didn't open those.

No, that was probably a good idea.

I was tired of standing all day....getting up just to get you the straight jacket from your cooler was difficult enough for my lazy ass.

 

[rcubed1]

The plum sour Peter just put out (Batch 4) is worth checking out if you want to try something a bit more unique from a fruit perspective. Some of barrels are getting fairly mature and he's starting to get some nice funk into his beers. Looking forward to the future batches that are coming (blackberry, strawberry apricot, and passionfruit-guava-pineapple-mango).

 

[SanDiegoJoe2011]

I found Ehren-era Toolbox to be more complex and more nuanced than Peter-era Toolbox, but I only started to re-visit Toolbox within the last couple months. I thought a lot of the Peter-era beers were sour with some fruit and that's about it. Admittedly, I also didn't sample enough of either to experience their "misses," only what would be consider "hits."

 

[rcubed1]

I found Ehren-era Toolbox to be more complex and more nuanced than Peter-era Toolbox, but I only started to re-visit Toolbox within the last couple months. I thought a lot of the Peter-era beers were sour with some fruit and that's about it. Admittedly, I also didn't sample enough of either to experience their "misses," only what would be consider "hits."

Most of those beers where done in stainless steel, not barrels average around a 2 month old timeframe. I think only two of his beers were barrel fermented/aged.

Ehren was able to use some beer already in barrels and later get foudres so his era beers were mostly barrel aged with some occasional stainless soured beers.

 

[benbikes4beer]

I still have not had any of the BB sours

They just got those Justin Red Wine barrels man!

Haha. Sorry BB is already firmly a different brewery in my mind.

 

[rcubed1]

They just got those Justin Red Wine barrels man!

Haha. Sorry BB is already firmly a different brewery in my mind.

Should stick with 'The Beaver' and 'The Beard'. 'The Beaver and The Beard' would be a good collab name as well. Too many 'BB' breweries.

 

[Sage1]

Should stick with 'The Beaver' and 'The Beard'. 'The Beaver and The Beard' would be a good collab name as well. Too many 'BB' breweries.

Beaver and the Beard (2017) - IMDB

 

[arren]

Beaver and the Beard (2017) - Pornhub

ftfy

 

[nanobrew1]

I am welcome?!?!? YES!

You will get banned from Scrimshaw's Ship quicker than BL if you touch one of my fermentors

 

[chemman141]

You will get banned from Scrimshaw's Ship quicker than BL if you touch one of my fermenters

You know what the best part about that is, I never even touched their fermentors. I totally want to now though for the lulz.