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Here's some heresy for you... I use the 93/7 meat for burgers and they are excellent; surely not as good as the 80/20 mix, but still moist and tasty. My keys:

Use fresh meat... Supermarket meat is OK, but frozen and thawed is not.

The most important part: Don't overwork the meat! I form the meat into a loose ball with my hands (maybe 1/3-1/2# per). I then place the ball on a wax-paper covered cutting board, and place another wax-paper covered cutting board on top and press down evenly. If I feel like it, I place something of the right thickness on either side of the meat to get the burger thickness exactly right (I'm lazy, though, so I typically do it by eye/feel).

Second most-important part (and most important if you are grilling steaks): Salt and pepper the burgers about 15-20 minutes before grilling. If you do it while they're on the grill, it's too late. This gives time for the salt to draw out some moisture, which will then dissolve the salt and be reabsorbed into the meat. There will be a bit more salt on the outside, which is great, because you want the outside to cook more anyway. This also helps with the charring.

Then, when cooking, use as hot a flame as possible. Heat the grill, clean it, and oil it (flames are a bonus). Get the grill as hot as possible and put the burgers on. About 90-120 seconds later, rotate them 90 degrees or so to get the criss-cross grill marks. About 90-120 seconds later, flip, reduce flame appropriately, and grill for a few minutes. Rotate 90 degrees, and grill another few until it's done to your preference. Oh, and NEVER under any circumstance press down on the burger while it is on the grill!!!

After that, take them off the grill and let them rest, lightly covered with Al foil, about 5-10 minutes before serving. In that time, toast the buns on the grill.
 
Definitely agree about cooking burgers more through than a steak.

Also been making homemade mayo for sandwiches and tuna salad lately. Don't think I can go back to store bought now.
 
When I do this, I go with caramelized onions, mustard, good cheese and lettuce on a toasted bun. During the summer, a tomato. It makes it all good. And I do the same thing with both my burgers or my hotdogs/brats.
 
Medium is perfect for burgers - I like my steak med-rare to rare. Dimple is standard and 1/3 lb is best weight. Salt and pepper only. (I have to try that 15 minute before thing)

Toppings vary but I agree two is best. One for me must be a 1/4" thick slice of sweet onion as large as the patty. If I have good tomatoes, I use them. If not, bread & butter pickle slices patted dry. Mayo (Hellmans only) on the bottom toasted bun, onion next, burger then other slices next. Top toasted bun with either some catsup, mustard, BBQ sauce or nothing depending on my mood at the time.

I agree with the other poster regarding cheese (hamburgers out - always) (grilled at home - never)

BTW, I recently replaced my old gas grill with a new Char-Broil M500 Quantum 3-Burner Infrared Gas Grill. It is far and away better than anything I have grilled on except real charcoal. 700 degrees at the meat surface and no flareups.
 
Did one tonight with 1 fresh jalepeño (~1/3 cup when chopped) and about two tablespoons of worcestershire sauce. Less kick than when I do a tablespoon of red pepper flakes, but more flavorful. It might be my "go to" burger with a little bit of tweaking.
 
80/20 fresh ground beef . Some Italian bread crumbs couple of eggs diced onion salt and pepper little worcestershire sauce fresh garlic and a splash of milk . Mix the beef and other dry ingredients in a large bowl then add your eggs then the milk. let the mixture rest for an hour then patty them up into 1/3 pound burgers grill .. Even well done these burgers will be extremely juicy and moist.
 
80/20 fresh ground beef . Some Italian bread crumbs couple of eggs diced onion salt and pepper little worcestershire sauce fresh garlic and a splash of milk . Mix the beef and other dry ingredients in a large bowl then add your eggs then the milk. let the mixture rest for an hour then patty them up into 1/3 pound burgers grill .. Even well done these burgers will be extremely juicy and moist.

Sounds more like meatloaf to me...
 
80/20 fresh ground beef . Some Italian bread crumbs couple of eggs diced onion salt and pepper little worcestershire sauce fresh garlic and a splash of milk . Mix the beef and other dry ingredients in a large bowl then add your eggs then the milk. let the mixture rest for an hour then patty them up into 1/3 pound burgers grill .. Even well done these burgers will be extremely juicy and moist.

Sounds more like meatloaf to me...


While it sounds good, if it has more than meat, and salt and pepper, I agree it's meatloaf
 
While it sounds good, if it has more than meat, and salt and pepper, I agree it's meatloaf

I disagree...I think a burger can have anything you want in or on it. The same way it can be on different types of buns, with different types of cheese, different types of condiments and even different types of meat (i.e. turkey, veal, veggie crap).

"A hamburger (or burger) is a sandwich consisting of a cooked ground meat patty, usually beef, placed in a sliced bun or between pieces of bread or toast."

"Some cooks prepare their patties with binders, such as eggs or bread crumbs, and seasonings, such as, parsley, onions, soy sauce, Thousand Island dressing, onion soup mix, or Worcestershire sauce."

Hamburger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I disagree...I think a burger can have anything you want in or on it. The same way it can be on different types of buns, with different types of cheese, different types of condiments and even different types of meat (i.e. turkey, veal, veggie crap).

"A hamburger (or burger) is a sandwich consisting of a cooked ground meat patty, usually beef, placed in a sliced bun or between pieces of bread or toast."

"Some cooks prepare their patties with binders, such as eggs or bread crumbs, and seasonings, such as, parsley, onions, soy sauce, Thousand Island dressing, onion soup mix, or Worcestershire sauce."

Hamburger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are a few things that I'm a purist on and burgers would be one of them. Quality beef, salt, pepper, done. As far as condiments are concerned, go crazy, the burger itself is just those three items. But that's just me.

One loophole I would provide is that if the beef's not the best, and I'm sure all of us have had to deal with that from time to time for whatever reason, feel free to doctor it up. I look at steak much the same way. Good steak needs just salt and pepper. If, however, I'm at my BIL's and he just picked up the jumbo pack of strip steaks from Wal-Mart I'll be a good guest and eat what I'm provided, drowned in A-1.
 
Everybody's vision of a perfect burger is different. I've tried mixing spices/seasonings/marinades in, pre-seasoning, using binders, etc. but for me...none of that actually improves the burger (doesn't necessarily make it worse either) so there's no reason to go to the trouble. For me it's just: make the patties with good, fresh beef of the proper fat-content; refrigerate; cook on high heat and season w/ salt & pepper after you flip it.

This is sort of what I was getting at in the op...that for me...the perfect burger is uber-simple but the devil is in the details.

Another thing I just discovered the other night: the buns should be not too soft but not too hard either and not chewy like sourdough. I bought potato hamburger buns and they were a bit too soft.
 
I add one clove of garlic per lb of meat (crushed through a garlic press) and a splash of basalmic vinegar, plus salt and pepper. Try the basalmic vinegar thing some time - it's really good. I'll also sometimes throw in a minced dried thai chili. We keep a martini glass on the kitchen windowsill filled with thai chilis - they start out fresh and green and slowly turn perfectly dried and bright red, and they last forever.

Oh, and tomato quality is key. Grow your own if you can, or buy from known sources. The ones at Safeway half the time aren't even ripe - they're immature tomatoes treated with ethylene gas so they turn bright red and look ripe, but still have the extended shelf life of a green tomato. What that means is that they look nice but have little flavor.
 
The ones at Safeway half the time aren't even ripe - they're immature tomatoes treated with ethylene gas so they turn bright red and look ripe, but still have the extended shelf life of a green tomato. What that means is that they look nice but have little flavor.

That goes for pretty much all produce at grocery stores. Most all are picked very young and atrificialy ripened.
 
There are a few things that I'm a purist on and burgers would be one of them. Quality beef, salt, pepper, done. As far as condiments are concerned, go crazy, the burger itself is just those three items. But that's just me.

One loophole I would provide is that if the beef's not the best, and I'm sure all of us have had to deal with that from time to time for whatever reason, feel free to doctor it up. I look at steak much the same way. Good steak needs just salt and pepper. If, however, I'm at my BIL's and he just picked up the jumbo pack of strip steaks from Wal-Mart I'll be a good guest and eat what I'm provided, drowned in A-1.

What is the difference between WalMart steaks and those brought elsewhere? I am not trying to be wise, I really would like to know. Is it the grade they sell as determined by the US inspectors?
 
If you are not getting your normal steaks from a true butcher the grade is probably no different. Now how walmart handles them and the condition they are in might be a different story.
 
If you are not getting your normal steaks from a true butcher the grade is probably no different. Now how walmart handles them and the condition they are in might be a different story.

So only butchers get the good meat? Acme, Shop Rite, Sams Club, WalMart, BJ's and all the other chain supermarkets don't?
 
If you are not getting your normal steaks from a true butcher the grade is probably no different. Now how walmart handles them and the condition they are in might be a different story.

So only butchers get the good meat? Acme, Shop Rite, Sams Club, WalMart, BJ's and all the other chain supermarkets don't?

I think Data is trying to convey is that meat from the butcher is handled much different than a chain store. They may come from the same slaughter house but the butcher cuts the meet to order . Wonder how many places the Walmart beef has been ....
 
just a little bread crumbs . Try it it comes out great

I might just do that. I like meatloaf anyway, so it's not like there's anything wrong with it. I may try your method with the ground venison I have in the freezer, since it usually needs a little something to keep it moist.
 
I think Data is trying to convey is that meat from the butcher is handled much different than a chain store. They may come from the same slaughter house but the butcher cuts the meet to order . Wonder how many places the Walmart beef has been ....

wait, people actually trust walmart for food?

I buy the $2/pound trader joe's bricks. I know those are the best but I trust them more than walmart.
 
So only butchers get the good meat? Acme, Shop Rite, Sams Club, WalMart, BJ's and all the other chain supermarkets don't?

I think Data is trying to convey is that meat from the butcher is handled much different than a chain store. They may come from the same slaughter house but the butcher cuts the meet to order . Wonder how many places the Walmart beef has been ....

Not only that but also much much better cuts. When it comes to ground beef it probably really doesn't matter but you will never find a prime cut at a grocery store, atleast not very often. But what will cost you 6.99/lb at the grocery store will cost you close to 25/lb at a butcher. Is it worth it? To me yes but only a couple times a year.
 
I work for Costco, and I know that occasionally they get Prime beef by mistake and can't mark the price up. Nevermind, we employees usually get those mistakes.
This week we have T-bones for $4.99 and no butcher can touch that
 
I have a big fat neighbor that refers to her vagina as a "hamburger". It makes you lose your appetite very fast.
 
I have a big fat neighbor that refers to her vagina as a "hamburger". It makes you lose your appetite very fast.

Why would you even get on that topic with her? These are the detrimental side effects of that mythical phrase "too much beer"
 
Not only that but also much much better cuts. When it comes to ground beef it probably really doesn't matter but you will never find a prime cut at a grocery store, atleast not very often. But what will cost you 6.99/lb at the grocery store will cost you close to 25/lb at a butcher. Is it worth it? To me yes but only a couple times a year.

While it's a grocery store Stew Leonards has an excellent butcher/meat dept . They Have Prime cut and they have dry aged beef. I buy it every time I am there . But its a hike from my house so I buy meat at the local butcher.
 
While it's a grocery store Stew Leonards has an excellent butcher/meat dept . They Have Prime cut and they have dry aged beef. I buy it every time I am there . But its a hike from my house so I buy meat at the local butcher.

I really wish I had something like that around here. How are the prices? Is it just a mom and pop place? I was really referring to big ass chain stores because that is all we have around us.
 
wait, people actually trust walmart for food?

I buy the $2/pound trader joe's bricks. I know those are the best but I trust them more than walmart.


Walmart has normal Walmart stores with a few rinky-dink aisles of nasty processed or frozen foods . . but they also have Walmart "Supercenters", with full blown grocery stores - with all the produce, meat, deli counter, etc. type stuff that you expect to see in a grocery store. My brother in law manages the grocery department for one in Oregon. I'd say it's comparable to a Safeway. Their operating goal is to offer comparable quality as the major chain supermarkets at the lowest price in town.

Oh, and those trader joe's bricks are not as good or tasty compared to what you find at a Safeway for the same price (Safeway owns it's own herds, by the way).
 
Walmart has normal Walmart stores with a few rinky-dink aisles of nasty processed or frozen foods . . but they also have Walmart "Supercenters", with full blown grocery stores - with all the produce, meat, deli counter, etc. type stuff that you expect to see in a grocery store. My brother in law manages the grocery department for one in Oregon. I'd say it's comparable to a Safeway. Their operating goal is to offer comparable quality as the major chain supermarkets at the lowest price in town.

We have those all over the place here too but I have found that they have a real problem with freshness and actually maintaining the right temps for things.
 
you put the tomato and lettuce on the bottom bun under the burger ?

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I'm not sure how or when it happened that people started putting that stuff on top of the patty...since ya know...it's retarded to do so.:p Every time I go to a REAL old-style burger stand (say Fatburger for example) they put the lettuce and tomato where they belong...under the patty.





















And they use shredded lettuce!
 
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