The [Horribly Unpopular] Soccer Thread

[robdogj]

question...Why does Chandler start over Yedlin? That scrub doesn't belong in the starting 11

 

[Talgrath]

question...Why does Chandler start over Yedlin? That scrub doesn't belong in the starting 11

Chandler has been playing very well in the Bundesliga, I think that's why Klinsmann gave him the shot.

 

[Hugh_Jass]

Alright, time to guess the lineup for the USMNT for Mexico

GK - Howard
RB - Yedlin
CB - Brooks
CB - Besler
LB - Johnson
RM - Bedoya
CM - Bradley
CM - Kljestan
LM - Baby Messi
ST - Jozy
ST - Wood

I liked your lineup better.

IMO, this one is on Klinsmann. Terrible formation. Terrible lineup. Terrible tactics.

While still in the 3-5-3,Mexico was playing 3v2 on the sides in their final third. They did what ever they wanted. Hit the lumber several times before the goal.

On a positive note, Wood and pulisic were lights out the second half.

Next up Costa Rica.

What's your line up on that one?

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Ok JK is likely to be coming with his lineup soon.

I like my original lineup, but I put Chandler in instead of Yedlin.

I didn't hate the 3-5-2. I think the problem was Jones and Bradley. They sucked overall. I don't think they will with enough reps but I think it was a ballsy and bad move to make.

 

[Qhrumphf]

I guess I was lucky to be in bed sleeping and not watching last night.

Also lol @ England for so easily throwing away their lead yesterday.

 

[Talgrath]

That was...bad by the USMNT, really bad. Losing to Costa Rica in Costa Rica is not exactly a new thing, but 4-0? And in a lackluster manner too. As much as I think Klinsmann has ushered in some positive changes at the player development level, I think it's probably time for him to go as coach. If he's willing to stay on as technical director, then I think that will be great, but I don't think he can continue coaching.

 

[robdogj]

That was...bad by the USMNT, really bad. Losing to Costa Rica in Costa Rica is not exactly a new thing, but 4-0? And in a lackluster manner too. As much as I think Klinsmann has ushered in some positive changes at the player development level, I think it's probably time for him to go as coach. If he's willing to stay on as technical director, then I think that will be great, but I don't think he can continue coaching.

hate to be that guy but I will be that guy - Timmy Chandler played the full 90 - I am not surprised by that scoreline - on the first goal, he was no where in sight on that right flank & that enabled the cross to get into the box - don't care if Chandler plays in the Bundesliga - Yedlin>Chandler

 

[Talgrath]

hate to be that guy but I will be that guy - Timmy Chandler played the full 90 - I am not surprised by that scoreline - on the first goal, he was no where in sight on that right flank & that enabled the cross to get into the box - don't care if Chandler plays in the Bundesliga - Yedlin>Chandler

I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't think it was all Chandler. Quite frankly, the team looked like it gave up; in a way I haven't seen since Bob Bradley was coach. I usually don't like the idea of switching coaches mid-qualifying...but at this point you have to think about it.

 

[Hugh_Jass]

The first goal the US national team gave up was very telling. When the ball was played over Omar Gonzalez's head, he just trotted towards the back line. There was no urgency to track down the ball, recover or close down the attacker. With no pressure on the ball it was an easy chip header. It's like the guys have completely lost any enthusiasm to play for Klinsmann. I can't really blame them the way Klinsmann throws them under the bus on after each bad match

Also, it looked like we were playing a 3-4-3,the way Timmy Chandler was playing so high up the pitch. It might have been listed as a 4-4-2, but for all practical purposes it was a 3-5-2.

I used to be a Klinsmann supporter, but I think he has to go. It's like the players don't want to play for him any longer.

If there's a coaching change, I'd like Marsch to get consideration. Until this year I think Berhalter deserved some consideration too, but his year has been a disaster(CCSC supporter here).

If a coaching change is made, who would you like to see take the reigns?

 

[skraeling]

Ive been hearing strong rumors that a major MLS announcement will happen for Saint Louis today. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[BrewSavage]

There's been a lot Sirius talk about this being the end for the Klinsman on the radio.

 

[Talgrath]

The first goal the US national team gave up was very telling. When the ball was played over Omar Gonzalez's head, he just trotted towards the back line. There was no urgency to track down the ball, recover or close down the attacker. With no pressure on the ball it was an easy chip header. It's like the guys have completely lost any enthusiasm to play for Klinsmann. I can't really blame them the way Klinsmann throws them under the bus on after each bad match

Also, it looked like we were playing a 3-4-3,the way Timmy Chandler was playing so high up the pitch. It might have been listed as a 4-4-2, but for all practical purposes it was a 3-5-2.

I used to be a Klinsmann supporter, but I think he has to go. It's like the players don't want to play for him any longer.

If there's a coaching change, I'd like Marsch to get consideration. Until this year I think Berhalter deserved some consideration too, but his year has been a disaster(CCSC supporter here).

If a coaching change is made, who would you like to see take the reigns?

it's Bielsa or bust, imho. I'm not sure that any MLS coach is really superior to Klinsmann at this point in time; they're very good at coming up with a system...but no so great at adjusting when they can't get the sort of players their system needs. Given the high cost of buying out Klinsmann, a return to Arena (yuck) or going to Vermes (double yuck) as has been rumored is madness. The only MLS coach I'd really be curious to see is Patrick Vieira, but he's very unlikely to coach the USMNT...and I'm definitely unsure of whether or not he's truly as good as he appears to be this season.

 

[Hugh_Jass]

The cost of buying out Klinsmann is a pittance compared to lost world cup revenue. I'm not saying if we keep Jurgen we miss 2018.I just don't think he's the guy any longer and now is a good time for a change.

Since we're throwing out pipe dreams for us soccer jobs, Les Reed to replace Sunil

 

[Pappers_]

Thinking about joining the Chicago Gooners supporters group tomorrow morning at 6:30 am for our match against Man U. Stout and an English Breakfast would be involved, of course.

 

[Qhrumphf]

Thinking about joining the Chicago Gooners supporters group tomorrow morning at 6:30 am for our match against Man U. Stout and an English Breakfast would be involved, of course.

It's always better at the pub with the supporters club. I'm there for every NLD. Trying to make a point to be there for others as well. Aside from a few taunting songs/chants it's mostly good fun even between crews. Plenty of responses to each other. And booze.

I'm planning to be around for our return to Stamford Bridge. But gonna miss the Wet Spam match tomorrow.

Nice thing is one of our investors at the brewery is a Spurs man as well, so he and I will probably watch the Monaco CL match Tuesday in our tap room when I'm done.

 

[Talgrath]

The cost of buying out Klinsmann is a pittance compared to lost world cup revenue. I'm not saying if we keep Jurgen we miss 2018.I just don't think he's the guy any longer and now is a good time for a change.

Since we're throwing out pipe dreams for us soccer jobs, Les Reed to replace Sunil

I don't disagree, necessarily, that replacing Klinsmann as coach is a bad idea. I just don't think Arena or Vermes are going to be better, probably they would be worse. If we are going to replace Klinsmann now, I think he has to be replaced with someone clearly superior, for me, that's Bielsa. I did a bit of pondering and considered, as well, the idea of perhaps having Oscar Pareja replace Klinsmann, and I think that would be a good upgrade. But Arena? The guy who chased away a bunch of dual nationals? Hell no. Vermes? Bashball? No damn way.

 

[robdogj]

If a coaching change is made, who would you like to see take the reigns?

Miguel Herrera

believe it or not Marcelo 'El Loco' Bielsa might work for us as well, but there is a reason why they call him El Loco

 

[Talgrath]

Well, the only other coach I can think of that might work is Oscar Pareja for FC Dallas, now that I consider it. He's done very well developing young players in Dallas on a minimal budget, I'd think he could take a group of American youngsters and more funding and turn it into a powerful machine. But just like a lot of the other options I like, it's unlikely he'd take the job, ultimately he wants to coach his home country and he's unlikely to leave the cozy confines of Dallas for any other team.

 

[robdogj]

Well, the only other coach I can think of that might work is Oscar Pareja for FC Dallas,

but can Pareja win the Big Match? I haven't seen that yet. Let him achieve more first before hiring as USMNT Gaffer

 

[vallonswayla]

in rafa we trust --- up the toon!
(sorry, unrelated to current posts but just wanted to wave the flag)

 

[robdogj]

now the dirty deed has been done, Klinsmann has been fired

 

[JamesonFan]

now the dirty deed has been done, Klinsmann has been fired

Good luck to the next coach trying to make the World Cup. Already with two losses, and goal differential is not looking positive.

 

[robdogj]

Good luck to the next coach trying to make the World Cup. Already with two losses, and goal differential is not looking positive.

starting to look like the replacement will be Bruce Arena :smack:

 

[Talgrath]

If they hire Bruce I'm gonna lose my ****. At this point I'd rather see even that ******* Vermes as head coach.

 

[robdogj]

Supposedly Bielsa wants $4M to take the USMNT job, to have Landon Donovan as an assistant and MLS to move its season to a February start - again this is a rumor - probably to make people relax when Bruce Arena gets the nod

 

[HoppyDaze]

So they hired the guy who wasn't doing a good job before they hired the most recent guy who didn't do a good enough job? Who's running this outfit?

 

[Talgrath]

So they hired the guy who wasn't doing a good job before they hired the most recent guy who didn't do a good enough job? Who's running this outfit?

This guy:

Unfortunately, I don't think he knows what he's doing. Quite frankly, I don't think he has the...courage to do what is necessary to really fix US Soccer.

 

[robdogj]

this guy:

unfortunately, i don't think he knows what he's doing. Quite frankly, i don't think he has the...courage to do what is necessary to really fix us soccer.

fyp

 

[robdogj]

On top of the league & having a laugh -

 

[Talgrath]

Ah David Luiz, such a piece of crap.