Surly Abrasive clone

[theveganbrewer]

Anyone think they might include Warrior in the dryhop? I'm not getting a 100% Citra bomb on this, and I've brewed a few of them before. There is a little spice/pine/onion/garlic in the nose for sure on this one.

 

[brplatz]

Anyone think they might include Warrior in the dryhop? I'm not getting a 100% Citra bomb on this, and I've brewed a few of them before. There is a little spice/pine/onion/garlic in the nose for sure on this one.

You tell me! Haha I am down for whatever changes you think are appropriate

 

[theveganbrewer]

I think this is a 18-21 day grain to glass so I'll brew one up tomorrow and will save a few cans of Abrasive for a side by side. I'd like to dial in the naked golden oat addition.

I will brew this:

40.8% 2-row
40.8% Golden Promise
7.1% Corn Sugar
7.1% Crystal 20
4.3% Golden Naked Oats

& try 6 ounces of malto-dextrine

I will change the 0 minute to 1.5 citra and 0.5 Warrior and the dry hop will be 2-3 ounces of Citra for 3 days. I can always add another ounce of Citra.

 

[brplatz]

I think this is a 18-21 day grain to glass so I'll brew one up tomorrow and will save a few cans of Abrasive for a side by side. I'd like to dial in the naked golden oat addition.

I will brew this:

40.8% 2-row
40.8% Golden Promise
7.1% Corn Sugar
7.1% Crystal 20
4.3% Golden Naked Oats

& try 6 ounces of malto-dextrine

I will change the 0 minute to 1.5 citra and 0.5 magnum and the dry hop will be 2 ounces of Citra for 3 days. I can always add another ounce of Citra.

Alrighty I am gonna have to convert those to lbs real quick haha

 

[theveganbrewer]

Oh, 5lb 12 ounce on each grain, 1 pound of corn sugar, 1 pound of C20, 10 ounces of Golden Naked Oats, and 6 ounces of Malto-dextrine.

 

[brplatz]

Oh, 5lb 12 ounce on each grain, 1 pound of corn sugar, 1 pound of C20, 10 ounces of Golden Naked Oats, and 6 ounces of Malto-dextrine.

Sweetness, I just put in an order and will brew this coming weekend

 

[bobbrews]

Magnum has almost no character. Then again neither does Warrior. Abrasive focuses on Warrior early and Citra late. I would definitely recommend 4 weeks in the primary including dryhop. I brewed a clone of this beer once by accident (wasn't even trying to, nor did I know what the recipe was) and it was a spot on clone. You'll want to use less C-20 since some sweetness will leach out from the GNO as well. No maltodextrine.

 

[theveganbrewer]

I meant to write Warrior, my fault. I think Warrior does have a nice dry hop character and quite a few famous IPAs dry hop with warrior.

 

[Stauffbier]

Sweetness, I just put in an order and will brew this coming weekend

I just ordered everything for it too. Thanks for sharing Vegan!

 

[brplatz]

I meant to write Warrior, my fault. I think Warrior does have a nice dry hop character and quite a few famous IPAs dry hop with warrior.

No worries I ordered warrior anyway. Also the malto dextrine change

 

[theveganbrewer]

The reason I am using the maltodextrine/dextrose combo is to re-create brewer's crystals which surly uses as best possible.

 

[Stauffbier]

The reason I am using the maltodextrine/dextrose combo is to re-create brewer's crystals which surly uses as best possible.

I may cut back on that as I don't care for the taste of malto. What do you think about subbing it with cara-pils?

 

[theveganbrewer]

I may cut back on that as I don't care for the taste of malto. What do you think about subbing it with cara-pils?

I'd just leave both out if you don't care for the malto. I didn't use it on my first attempt and am just adding it this go around for fun. If I get out to my LHBS before brewing I will just buy the brewers crystals and replace all the dextrose and maltodextrine with it.

 

[theveganbrewer]

Magnum has almost no character. Then again neither does Warrior. Abrasive focuses on Warrior early and Citra late. I would definitely recommend 4 weeks in the primary including dryhop. I brewed a clone of this beer once by accident (wasn't even trying to, nor did I know what the recipe was) and it was a spot on clone. You'll want to use less C-20 since some sweetness will leach out from the GNO as well. No maltodextrine.

Even with a pound of C-20 it's still too light and comes in around 7.6 SRM, short of the listed 8. Unless the Surly website messed up the order, there really isn't anywhere else to get color without making golden promise the main malt with about 7 pounds and 2-row at 5.5 pounds. That with the 1# of C-20 would get you to 8SRM.

I've got my oats at 10SRM, is everyone else the same?

 

[Stauffbier]

I've got my oats at 10SRM, is everyone else the same?

I think it can range from 5 to 10 for the oats.

 

[brplatz]

Even with a pound of C-20 it's still too light and comes in around 7.6 SRM, short of the listed 8. Unless the Surly website messed up the order, there really isn't anywhere else to get color without making golden promise the main malt with about 7 pounds and 2-row at 5.5 pounds. That with the 1# of C-20 would get you to 8SRM.

I've got my oats at 10SRM, is everyone else the same?

I got the same I think, 10L? Also what does malto taste like?

 

[theveganbrewer]

Where I bought was listed as 7-14, I went with 10, then saw Northern Brewer had it at 10. Malto helps to add body and mouthfeel without much sweetness, if you're at 6oz or 4oz, you won't necessarily taste it, you might notice it though in the feel.

 

[theveganbrewer]

Sorry if I have confused anyone. I think option number one would be to use a pound of brewer's crystals and nothing else. If you can't get that, make your choice of adding a pound of dextrose, or some dextrose and maltodextrin, or dextrose and carapils, it should all be close.

 

[brplatz]

Sorry if I have confused anyone. I think option number one would be to use a pound of brewer's crystals and nothing else. If you can't get that, make your choice of adding a pound of dextrose, or some dextrose and maltodextrin, or dextrose and carapils, it should all be close.

No worries, ill just brew it as you had it and go with it

 

[bobbrews]

Even with a pound of C-20 it's still too light and comes in around 7.6 SRM, short of the listed 8. Unless the Surly website messed up the order, there really isn't anywhere else to get color without making golden promise the main malt with about 7 pounds and 2-row at 5.5 pounds. That with the 1# of C-20 would get you to 8SRM.

I've got my oats at 10SRM, is everyone else the same?

Rebelbrewer lists Simpsons Golden Naked Oats as 15 SRM.

And I wouldn't be worried about rounding 7.6 SRM up to 8. Even if it were off by a whole point, a slight color difference would be the least of my worries. A slight difference in color could also result from Surly's individual brewing methods (not the ingredients).

 

[theveganbrewer]

Rebelbrewer lists Simpsons Golden Naked Oats as 15 SRM.

And I wouldn't be worried about rounding 7.6 SRM up to 8. Even if it were off by a whole point, a slight color difference would be the least of my worries. A slight difference in color could also result from Surly's individual brewing methods (not the ingredients).

I would guess that the IBU and SRM numbers on Surly's site are what gets spit out by their recipe system, not whats actually measured. So the recipe should at least line up with those numbers so we can get the right ratio of ingredients. That's why the Srm of the oats are important, if it is 15, then you can decrease the c-20.

I too would not be too worried about the slight difference in the end, but would like to make it line up to the numbers before brewing.

 

[brplatz]

Stauff, where did you put your order in? Austin?

Cause I put mine in Saturday morning, still haven't received an email or tracking number

 

[Stauffbier]

Stauff, where did you put your order in? Austin?

Cause I put mine in Saturday morning, still haven't received an email or tracking number

Austin, on Sunday. I haven't received info yet either, which is normal. It might still end up arriving by Friday. If not it will be the following Monday.

 

[brplatz]

Austin, on Sunday. I haven't received info yet either, which is normal. It might still end up arriving by Friday. If not it will be the following Monday.

Good deal, didn't know if they were super responsive or what

 

[theveganbrewer]

For anyone looking to buy Abrasive online, france44.com is now back in stock. I do not get paid to refer to them, just letting ya'll know, they're legit and ship fast, on your doorstep a few days after order, well-packed, and fresh. Mine was about 10 days old when I got it.

 

[bobbrews]

For anyone looking to buy Abrasive online, france44.com is now back in stock.

Yeah, but shipping costs more than the actual 4-pack :/ ...for West and East coast states at least.

 

[theveganbrewer]

For some people it can still be cheaper than trading with someone for it

 

[brplatz]

I guess my order is just now shipping, if I get my stuff Friday, can I make a starter then and have it ready by Saturday or suday

 

[Stauffbier]

You could have it ready by Saturday if you pitch the entire starter with wort and all. Sunday if you want to cold crash and decant. I prefer the second choice myself.

 

[brplatz]

You could have it ready by Saturday if you pitch the entire starter with wort and all. Sunday if you want to cold crash and decant. I prefer the second choice myself.

Right on, shipping updated saying delivery Thursday, so I am good!