Sugar and Hops!

[zaptop]

Hello guys!

I wonder when I should pour in 0.5 kg of cane sugar in a 20 liter batch, is it before the steeping grains? Before the extract? Before the boiling of the hops or after a while in the fermentor? Really need fast help!

One thing more, I got two different hops, one for bittering and one for arome.

The first one is Brewers Gold(AA 9%) which I will boil in 60 minutes, How much of it should I boil?

The second one is Hallertau Mittelfruh(AA 3.75%) which I will boil in the last 15 minutes. How much of that should be boiled?

Thanks you guys for taking your time to answer my questions, Really appreciate it!

 

[speeddemon190]

Is this a kit that you bought or a recipe from another source? if its a kit it should have instructions to follow. What style beer are you making?

 

[zaptop]

Is this a kit that you bought or a recipe from another source? if its a kit it should have instructions to follow. What style beer are you making?

This is a recipe from another source which I have slightly changed a bit. It's supposed to be a german Hefeweizen

 

[Gnomebrewer]

You'll only need about 10g of each. I don't use sugar at all. You could add it at any time during the boil - last 5 mins is probably best.

 

[speeddemon190]

This is a recipe from another source which I have slightly changed a bit. It's supposed to be a german Hefeweizen

Can you post the recipe?

 

[speeddemon190]

You'll only need about 10g of each. I don't use sugar at all. You could add it at any time during the boil - last 5 mins is probably best.

I agree, for a german hefe you will want the IBU to be low around 15 or so. I dont add any hops besides the small amount of bittering at 60 min in my hefe's.

 

[zaptop]

Can you post the recipe?

Malt Base: 6 lbs Wheat Liquid Malt Extract
Specialty Grains: ½ lb Flaked Wheat, 1/2 lb Flaked Oats
Hops: 1 oz Hallertau Hop Pellets(bittering)

As I said, I changed the recipe and using Brewers Gold too

 

[Gnomebrewer]

Just use the Hallertau hops. 20g at 60min with the remainder at 15 if you insist on having a late addition, otherwise put them all in at 45mins.

 

[speeddemon190]

Just use the Hallertau hops. 20g at 60min with the remainder at 15 if you insist on having a late addition, otherwise put them all in at 45mins.

right on the money...

what yeast are you going to use?

 

[zaptop]

right on the money...

what yeast are you going to use?

Brewferm Top, Took the one the store had.

So you guys think that I should skip Brewers Gold and use a whole package of Hallertau?

 

[speeddemon190]

Brewferm Top, Took the one the store had.

So you guys think that I should skip Brewers Gold and use a whole package of Hallertau?

yes, german hefeweizens have very low bitterness, the brewers gold is too much. you want about 15IBU for the 20 liter batch. I ran your recipe through brewersfriend.com and if you add 1 ounce of hallertau at 45 min you hit 15ibu right on the button.

 

[zaptop]

yes, german hefeweizens have very low bitterness, the brewers gold is too much. you want about 15IBU for the 20 liter batch. I ran your recipe through brewersfriend.com and if you add 1 ounce of hallertau at 45 min you hit 15ibu right on in the rest of thethe button.

Okey! But I don't realy understand when to put them in and that.

How much shall I boil in 60 min and when do I put in the rest of the package?

I got 100 grams of Hallertau, If you have time, could you make a simple schedule? I would really appreciate it!

 

[speeddemon190]

Okey! But I don't realy understand when to put them in and that.

How much shall I boil in 60 min and when do I put in the rest of the package?

I got 100 grams of Hallertau, If you have time, could you make a simple schedule? I would really appreciate it!

Malt Base: 6 lbs Wheat Liquid Malt Extract
Specialty Grains: ½ lb Flaked Wheat, 1/2 lb Flaked Oats
Hops: 1 oz Hallertau Hop Pellets(bittering

ok so based on your ingredients what I would do (if i can remember my extracts from last year)

take 2.5-3 gallons of water and bring it up to about 155degrees, steep the flaked wheat and flaked oat for about 30 min (in a grain bag) after the 30 min remove the grains and bring the water to a boil. When it reaches a boil, remove the pot from the heat and add the malt extract (make sure you stir the whole time and stir until its all dissolved)....then once thats done put it back on the heat and bring to a boil again. once boil is reached put all of the 1oz of hallertau into the pot and boil for another 60 min. after the 60 min turn off the heat, cool the pot to 60 degrees, dump/transfer to fermentor, top off with bottled spring water until you hit your final target volume and mix well. then measure OG with hydrometer pitch your yeast and ferment like normal.

 

[speeddemon190]

here is a recipe for basically the same thing you are making just with a different hop....follow these instructions to help you

http://www.homebrewing.org/assets/images/AIH 2013 Recipes/AIH Summer Wheat Special2.pdf

 

[zaptop]

But if I take my whole package of hallertau mittelfruh, it gets to 41 IBU, How small are your packages?

 

[Gnomebrewer]

You don't want to use 100g of Hallertau in a weizen, it would be way out of place. Use EITHER 30g at 45minutes as a single addition, or 20g at 60min with 10-15g at 15mins. You want about 15IBU's.

 

[zaptop]

You don't want to use 100g of Hallertau in a weizen, it would be way out of place. Use EITHER 30g at 45minutes as a single addition, or 20g at 60min with 10-15g at 15mins. You want about 15IBU's.

Hey, I checked on Brewers friend and to get to 15 IBU, I need to boil 30 grams of hallertau in 60 minutes and then add 15 grams at 15 mins left.

 

[speeddemon190]

Hey, I checked on Brewers friend and to get to 15 IBU, I need to boil 30 grams of hallertau in 60 minutes and then add 15 grams at 15 mins left.

most of the hops packages in the US (unless buying bulk) come in 1 oz packages or about 28.5 grams. how many grams of hallertau do you have??

It all depends on how much water you plan on boiling. The more water you use the more your going to get out of the hops...1 oz of hops boiling in 5 gallons of water will have a higher IBU nbr than the same 1oz of hops boiled in 2.5 gallons...Use the brewers friend to create the recipe based on your ingredients and your planned boil and top off amounts. and tweak the recipe to get what will give you what you need. what size pot are you boiling in ?

 

[zaptop]

most of the hops packages in the US (unless buying bulk) come in 1 oz packages or about 28.5 grams. how many grams of hallertau do you have??

It all depends on how much water you plan on boiling. The more water you use the more your going to get out of the hops...1 oz of hops boiling in 5 gallons of water will have a higher IBU nbr than the same 1oz of hops boiled in 2.5 gallons...Use the brewers friend to create the recipe based on your ingredients and your planned boil and top off amounts. and tweak the recipe to get what will give you what you need. what size pot are you boiling in ?

I got a 100 gram package of Hallertau and I'm boiling in a 20 liter pot, roughly 5.3 gallons. Thanks for the answers!

 

[speeddemon190]

I got a 100 gram package of Hallertau and I'm boiling in a 20 liter pot, roughly 5.3 gallons. Thanks for the answers!

ok so thats a perfect setup for what your planning. What i personally would do is if you have the power (im assuming stovetop boiling) then steep your flaked grains in 13.2L of water for 20-30 min at 68C. Then bring to boil, stir in Wheat extract (with pot off heat source) until dissolved and bring to a boil again. once boiling toss in 39grams of hallertau and boil for 60 min....then cool and proceed.

If you dont have to power to bring 13.2L to boil then I would use 9.5L of water and when its time to add the hallertau I would add 51G.

Either way you will end up with 15IBU and there really is no need to add a late addition of hops unless your experimenting, or want the hop aroma (which really isnt part of the style)

 

[zaptop]

ok so thats a perfect setup for what your planning. What i personally would do is if you have the power (im assuming stovetop boiling) then steep your flaked grains in 13.2L of water for 20-30 min at 68C. Then bring to boil, stir in Wheat extract (with pot off heat source) until dissolved and bring to a boil again. once boiling toss in 39grams of hallertau and boil for 60 min....then cool and proceed.

If you dont have to power to bring 13.2L to boil then I would use 9.5L of water and when its time to add the hallertau I would add 51G.

Either way you will end up with 15IBU and there really is no need to add a late addition of hops unless your experimenting, or want the hop aroma (which really isnt part of the style)

That is not correct because my ingrediens lowers the IBU a bit, So if I think of boiling 13L of water and then add 50 grams of Hallertau, I'll get an IBU of 15.66. Is that a good way to boil? But I can't use tap water to fill up to 20 liter can I? How shall I get a bacteria free water to fillup?

 

[speeddemon190]

That is not correct because my ingrediens lowers the IBU a bit, So if I think of boiling 13L of water and then add 50 grams of Hallertau, I'll get an IBU of 15.66. Is that a good way to boil? But I can't use tap water to fill up to 20 liter can I? How shall I get a bacteria free water to fillup?

you will have to top up with bottles spring water. the 13L of water or the 9L in the previous post was with your ingredients already in the pot with the water. 13L of water and 50 grams of hallertau will get you 15ibu then after you cool just top off with spring water.

In brewers friend in the recipe section fill out your recipe and change the boil and batch sizes....when i put your recipe in 6lbs wheat LME, .25lb of flaked oat and wheat and hallertau into the recipe i swicted the batch size to 5.5 and the boil size to either 2.5 or 3.5 gallons and then tweaked the hops amount until it read 15IBU. So the recipe OG/FG and IBU will read what you will end up with AFTER you top off with water to meet your 5.5 batch size. If you were to measure before topping off all of those numbers would be higher.

 

[Weezy]

Flaked wheat really should be mashed. Without mashing you're getting unconverted starches more than anything in your beer.

 

[speeddemon190]

Flaked wheat really should be mashed. Without mashing you're getting unconverted starches more than anything in your beer.

good catch. I was too busy trying to explain the hops utilization.

OP your going to to need to mash that flaked wheat like weezy advised.

 

[zaptop]

good catch. I was too busy trying to explain the hops utilization.

OP your going to to need to mash that flaked wheat like weezy advised.

Thank for all your answers buddy! So is this a good idea: I heat up 13L of water to 150-160 degrees and then mash my wheat. I take out the wheat and use the water that's left to steep my flaked oat and malt extract and hops. Is that a proper work?

 

[speeddemon190]

Thank for all your answers buddy! So is this a good idea: I heat up 13L of water to 150-160 degrees and then mash my wheat. I take out the wheat and use the water that's left to steep my flaked oat and malt extract and hops. Is that a proper work?

yes except you need a base malt when you mash the flaked wheat since it needs the enzymes from the base malt (flaked wheat doesnt have its own enzymes) so you can mash the oat and the flaked wheat but you will need a base malt to help conversion. I believe you should be able to add a lb or 2 of malted wheat to help conversion or 2row...i dont think a lb of 2 row will affect the recipe that much.

so take your flaked oat and wheat with a pound or so of 2row and mash at about 155 for an hour (this mash will replace your steeping process) and then bring to a boil, add extract and hops and go from there

 

[Weezy]

I've minimashed a pound of grain in a 64oz double walled SS growler quit nicely. Double crushed in a one gallon paint strainer bag. It works great for quick, partial mash recipes. You *might* be able to squeeze a half pound of all three in one. Not sure. Half pound 2 row (or 6 row even better) should convert.

 

[speeddemon190]

I've minimashed a pound of grain in a 64oz double walled SS growler quit nicely. Double crushed in a one gallon paint strainer bag. It works great for quick, partial mash recipes. You *might* be able to squeeze a half pound of all three in one. Not sure. Half pound 2 row (or 6 row even better) should convert.

yea i use paint strainer bags for all my batches (biab brewer) i mash 11 lbs in the bag in a 5 gal pot (water is about 1/2" from top, which means i lose very little heat) then i dunk sparge in my 15 gal pot and then combine the 2 to boil 7.5 gallons works fantastic. mashing in a 64 oz SS growler sounds pretty interesting