Stone XI Anniversary Clone

[DeathBrewer]

Mr. Malty's calculator does not account for "stepping up". I would suggest making a 1 L starter and then stepping that up to a 2L starter, then stepping up to 3L or 4L, you'd be fine. Hell, the 2L will probably be more than enough.

Making a light, low-alcohol beer as a starter will work great. Just make an easy batch and you've got some cheap beer with the wonderful benefit of a giant starter.

 

[humann_brewing]

For those of you who got good attenuation from the target OG (1.082): How big a starter did you use? Mr Malty calculator said to use 4.8L starter starting from 1 vial... Thinkin I'd do a 1 gallon starter from 1 vial unless anyone suggests otherwise.

Or maybe do another beer to build up a cake, any suggestions on a good beer recipe to build the cake (WLP001 or WLP007)?

try out the stone levitation ale and you can stick to stone beers

 

[user 22118]

For those of you who got good attenuation from the target OG (1.082): How big a starter did you use? Mr Malty calculator said to use 4.8L starter starting from 1 vial... Thinkin I'd do a 1 gallon starter from 1 vial unless anyone suggests otherwise.

Or maybe do another beer to build up a cake, any suggestions on a good beer recipe to build the cake (WLP001 or WLP007)?

1 gallon seems rather excessive for 5 gallons. If you make a 1.040 1.5L starter you should be more than golden on a new vial/pack. I find that a pinch of nutrients (servomyces?) really helps you out, just watch out becuase it will ferment really hot!

 

[ChemEMc]

I've wanted to do a SMaSH for a while now, so I am going to do one to build up a yeast cake for this beer. Decided on Maris Otter/Cascade. Even though Amarillo might make more sense for this beer, I have more cascade on hand. Recipe: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/maris-otter-cascade-smash-173445/

 

[kjjohns5]

So I had the Sublimely Self-Righteous for the first time last night... blown away!!! I've already decided that I'm going to be brewing this on May 1.

15.25 lbs 2-row
0.75 lbs 60L
0.75 lbs Carafa III

2.5 oz Chinook (13.6%) @ 60 min
1.0 oz Simcoe (12.2%) @ 10 min
1.0 oz Amarillo (7.0%) @ 5 min
1.0 oz Simcoe DH
1.0 oz Amarillo DH

Looking to hit about 1.083 OG, 1.021 FG, 8.0%. I'm so damn excited!

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

My batch has been in primary about 10 days now. It started at 1.083 and the Pacman has it down to about 1.021. I was really hoping it would go a little lower but thats ok.

I think I mashed too high. I set my mash temp in BeerSmith at 152 and heated my strike water to the correct temp but it held a constant 154 for the entire 60 minute mash. I didn't try and cool it at all for fear of the temp falling too low.

The hydrometer sample tasted excellent. I'll probably rack this into secondary this weekend, let it de-gas for a couple days, then dry hop it for a week or so.

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

Looking to hit about 1.083 OG, 1.021 FG, 8.0%. I'm so damn excited!

haha, just noticed that I nailed your numbers exactly!

 

[Jughead]

My take on this has been dry hopping for bout 5 days, seams my FG is hovering right at 1.018, not too bad. This tastes Amazing! A lil roastier than I planned, but I thought I'd just round 14 oz of carafa to a lb, big difference I suppose. I'm am very excited to bottle this one! This is the beer that made me want to start homebrewing. Big thanks to AnOldUr and others for sound advice. My 1st time dry hopping seems to be providing good results. I had a lil extra when transfering to secondary so I put it in a gallon jug w/ no dry hop addition. It will be interesting to see the differences. I'll post more on final tasting, planning to unleash this at my annual Memorial Day camping trip, along w/ 4/ 5 gal kegs of various brews I've been working on the last month or so. I think it will be a hit! Thanks all. Oh I did a 2L starter of Pacman, from a healthy dose of washed yeast for those interested.

 

[Gritsak]

So I had the Sublimely Self-Righteous for the first time last night... blown away!!! I've already decided that I'm going to be brewing this on May 1.

15.25 lbs 2-row
0.75 lbs 60L
0.75 lbs Carafa III

2.5 oz Chinook (13.6%) @ 60 min
1.0 oz Simcoe (12.2%) @ 10 min
1.0 oz Amarillo (7.0%) @ 5 min
1.0 oz Simcoe DH
1.0 oz Amarillo DH

Looking to hit about 1.083 OG, 1.021 FG, 8.0%. I'm so damn excited!

I'd strongly consider upping the late additions and DH'ing. Maybe an ounce of each simcoe and amarillo at 10 and 5min. then another 2oz of each for DH.

 

[jedIPA]

I'm going to do an all grain batch of this on Monday. I have a question about the yeast. I plan on using WLP005 British Ale yeast. What have others used for this? I do have some washed WLP001 Cal Ale yeast in my fridge also. Brew Pal tells me to use 3 liquid packs, how big of a starter should I use to get this off and fermenting? I only have one vial of the 005. BTW this is a 5.5 gallon batch.

 

[Jughead]

I've had great luck w/ pacman, I think 001 would work just fine. I did a 2L starter and had a really good ferment. Good luck, you'll definettly wanna do this one again.

 

[kjjohns5]

I brewed this last weekend on Home Brew Day. Was pretty distracted because of all of the people there, and the food and the free home brew , so my efficency was only 58%. I'm sure it'll be just fine, though. OG was 1.073. I wracked to the secondary yesterday, and there was more sediment than any beer I've made yet. Gravity was at 1.006, so I'm looking at a beer somewhere around 9%. It tastes pretty damn good right now, a bit toastier, yet also a bit more bitter than Stone's, I'm happy with it. Dry hopped with 4 oz of hops, so maybe I'll give the secondary 7-10 days. I'm excited!

 

[songstre]

I brewed this last weekend on Home Brew Day. Was pretty distracted because of all of the people there, and the food and the free home brew , so my efficency was only 58%. I'm sure it'll be just fine, though. OG was 1.073. I wracked to the secondary yesterday, and there was more sediment than any beer I've made yet. Gravity was at 1.006, so I'm looking at a beer somewhere around 9%. It tastes pretty damn good right now, a bit toastier, yet also a bit more bitter than Stone's, I'm happy with it. Dry hopped with 4 oz of hops, so maybe I'll give the secondary 7-10 days. I'm excited!

Sounds like you got a good batch going. I'm still drinking mine and although I didn't get the ABV I was looking for, it is rich and delicious. It is lacking the hoppiness of the real thing, but it's good nonetheless. I will increase aroma hops toward end of boil and dry hopping next time. My OG was 1.062 and FG was 1.012. And I think I'm going to tone down the Carafa or something. I used III and I think it was a bit much.

 

[kjjohns5]

Sounds like you got a good batch going. I'm still drinking mine and although I didn't get the ABV I was looking for, it is rich and delicious. It is lacking the hoppiness of the real thing, but it's good nonetheless. I will increase aroma hops toward end of boil and dry hopping next time. My OG was 1.062 and FG was 1.012. And I think I'm going to tone down the Carafa or something. I used III and I think it was a bit much.

Awesome! I used Carfa III as well. How much did you use? I had 5% in my mash. And my IBUs are calculated at 137, so it should be hoppy enough. How much dry hop did you use? I have 2 of Amarillo and 2 of Simcoe.

 

[songstre]

Awesome! I used Carfa III as well. How much did you use? I had 5% in my mash. And my IBUs are calculated at 137, so it should be hoppy enough. How much dry hop did you use? I have 2 of Amarillo and 2 of Simcoe.

I was closer to 6% on the Carafa III. And I didn't go too heavy on dry hopping, which is why I'm lacking aroma.

15.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 88.24 %
1.00 lb Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
3.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (75 min) Hops 107.2 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) Hops 5.5 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (15 min) Hops 8.5 IBU
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) Yeast-Ale

 

[Jud]

Thank you guys!!! This will be added to my brew list. I think it will be brewed in a week, and let it age until fall or winter. If I can wait that long.

 

[DrinkNoH2O]

Mine has been dry hopping with 1.5 oz each of Simcoe and Amarillo for about 4 days now. I'll probably bottle it this weekend. Looking forward to tasting this brew!

 

[kjjohns5]

I was closer to 6% on the Carafa III. And I didn't go too heavy on dry hopping, which is why I'm lacking aroma.

15.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 88.24 %
1.00 lb Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.88 %
3.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (75 min) Hops 107.2 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (15 min) Hops 5.5 IBU
0.50 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] (15 min) Hops 8.5 IBU
1 Pkgs California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) Yeast-Ale

Ah, I see. That's not too far off from my recipe:

13.5 lbs 2-Row
0.75 lbs 60L
0.75 lbs Carafa III

3 oz Chinook @ 60 (13.6%)
0.5 oz Amarillo @ 5 (7.5%)
0.5 oz Simcoe @ 5 (12.2%)
0.5 oz Amarillo @ 1 (7.5%)
0.5 oz Simcoe @ 1 (12.2%)
2 oz Amarillo DH for 10 days
2 oz Simcoe DH for 10 days

Wyeast 1056


It looks glorious!!!!

 

[Jud]

My LHBS was out of the Amarillo, Chinook, and Carafa III. Looks like it will be another week. Looks like I will have to brew another IPA and be happy for now.

 

[kjjohns5]

My LHBS was out of the Amarillo, Chinook, and Carafa III. Looks like it will be another week. Looks like I will have to brew another IPA and be happy for now.

Lame! They'll have it next week though? If so, no worries. Everyone could do with more IPA!

 

[Idlehanz]

Just bought everything for this brew. I had to go with the Carafa II instead of the III. Being as I'm still very much a novice at brewing, I'm not sure what to expect in the final result as far as differences. Going to start it here in a bit. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

EDIT

Also interested in opinions on how you feel adding the Chinook at the beginning of the boil turned out. I've read everything from 3 oz for 90 minutes to someone thinking 2 0z at 90 would make it way to bitter. I'm a fan of bitter, hoppy, dark beers, so I'm going to go with 2.5 oz for 90 right now. Unless someone changes my mind in the next hour. The grains are in the pot!

EDIT 2

Decided to use 2 oz Chinook at a 75 minute boil. I'm losing to much wort to evaporation. I'll be lucky if I have 3 gallons right now, and there's still 30 minutes of boil left. Am I worrying to much about what's left, or am I doing the right thing? I'm going to add 1 oz each of Simcoe and Amarillo with 5 left on the boil. Then 1 oz each for dry hopping after 7-10 days, depending on how I can work it into my schedule.

 

[kjjohns5]

I think that Crafa II will do the trick. It's really dark still, right?

You're probably worrying a bit too much about the hop schedule. I'm sure it'll be fine
I did a 60 minute boil with 3 oz of Chinook, and it's REALLY bitter (luckily it's just the way I like it). So long as you hit over 100 IBUs (which I think you will), you're set. May want to consider dry hoping with an oz/hop more.

Cheers!

 

[Idlehanz]

Yea, it's still nice and dark.

I probably will add more to the dry hop. Maybe .5 oz more of each. I won't really know until it's time to do it and it depends on what kind of mood I'm in.

 

[Jughead]

Not much difference between Carafa 2 and 3 so no worries. I used 2 and it was dark as night, in fact I'll use less next time (9-10oz instead of 1lb) my Mom who knows beer well, said "oh tastes like Guiness" WTF no it doesn't! So less roastyness next time. I've played w/ hop schedule on 2 brews of this, and loved both. You can't go wrong, just different. good brewing dudes!

 

[alexdagrate]

my Mom who knows beer well, said "oh tastes like Guiness" WTF no it doesn't!

ha! my sis-in-law tasted my imperial cascadian dark ale (which is 10% ABV and about a million IBUs - pound of columbus, centennial, and simcoe in a 5 gal batch) and said "tastes like Guinness..."

 

[Jughead]

What is it? My mom likes hops and has had some wimpy hopped ipa's of mine and said they were too hoppy. See tries my supper hopped dark ale and says she can't taste the hops. T:cross:aste with the tongue, not the eyes people. haha

 

[Idlehanz]

I'll take your advice. I have no problem dryhopping with more than 2 oz's. I'm worried more about the fact that I went from 5 gallons to about two 1/2 during the boil. Again, being very new at this I have no idea if that's normal or not. My first few batch's, I lost some, but not that much. Guess I'll find out in six weeks how it turned out.

 

[Jughead]

It's hard to dial in the amount lost during boil, it can change. I've calibrated many times. If nothing else let the hydrometer tell ya what you're at. I've got figured pretty good to what volume I need w/ bout 15 min left in boil. I would rather add water then, than in the fermenter. But don't add too much. With practice you'll figure it out, no worries. I "upped" my bre-boil water a half gal at a time three times and still ended a half gal short each time??? If you have 5-5.5 gal going into primary my opinion is that 2oz DH is great for this recipe. I used 1oz each of Simcoe & Amarillo to nice, nice effect, now I just have to brew this again, went way, way too fast! Good luck

 

[Idlehanz]

My biggest problem is ever remembering to take a hydro reading. I actually did with this one, but being as I did a 90 minute steep and a 90 minute boil, I had a few drinks already in the belly and did not write down my OG. Things feel ok though, as I'm still getting good bubbling action 3 days later.

I guess it all comes down to personal preference of aroma on the DH. I've heard use 2 oz each of the Simcoe and Amarillo, and I've heard only use 1 oz each. I'll probably stick to the middle ground, make some notes, and tweak it next time I make it. Thanks for the reply.

 

[Gritsak]

Finally got mine mostly carb'ed up in the keg. Here was my recipe:

Type: All Grain
Date: 3/28/2010
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Brewer: Andy
Boil Size: 7.63 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 110 min Equipment: BREWT v1.0
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
17.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 89.47 %
1.00 lb Carafa III (525.0 SRM) Grain 5.26 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.26 %
3.00 oz Chinook [11.40 %] (90 min) Hops 97.0 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (10 min) Hops 7.2 IBU
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (10 min) Hops 11.7 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (1 min) Hops 0.9 IBU
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (1 min) Hops 1.4 IBU
2.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
2.00 oz Amarillo Gold [7.50 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1.10 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs Safale (DCL Yeast #S-05) Yeast-Ale


Mashed at 151-152 for 60min.
OG- 1.084
FG- 1.022
IBUs- 118
ABV- 8.1%

Overall the beer is really close in overall flavor. The hops are pretty much dead on IMO. I need to do a blind side by side test though. The most noticeable difference is in the body-mine has a thinner mouthfeel than the real thing. I'll have to adjust the next batch to compensate for this.