Star Trek or Star Wars?
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PRE66_6TART
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Star Wars is a great movie and all, but I can only watch it so many times. I've probably watched hundreds of hours of Star Trek, and there's still much more I haven't seen yet.
But that's not the main reason I like it better. Star Trek is more than just entertaining. It's an example of humanity at its best. And it's not just good vs evil, which rarely happens in real life. The conflicts are usually based on tough moral dilemmas. If I find my morals wavering, or my leadership faltering, I can ask myself "What would Warf do?" Or "What would Picard do?" and the answer is as good as any moral code from religion.
Ok maybe I'm over-stating it, but you could do worse than trying to live up to the ideals of Star Trek.
But that's not the main reason I like it better. Star Trek is more than just entertaining. It's an example of humanity at its best. And it's not just good vs evil, which rarely happens in real life. The conflicts are usually based on tough moral dilemmas. If I find my morals wavering, or my leadership faltering, I can ask myself "What would Warf do?" Or "What would Picard do?" and the answer is as good as any moral code from religion.
Ok maybe I'm over-stating it, but you could do worse than trying to live up to the ideals of Star Trek.
ChshreCat
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I really don't see Star Wars as taking much inspiration at all from Trek. It drew much more on samurai films than anything. It definitely leans more towards fantasy while Trek is more to pure science fiction.
And Wil Wheaton is an HBT member.
According to Sheldon Wil is evil. :cross:
I think Star Wars is brillant. The philosophies it uses like, reluctant hero, use of the colors for the Empire, and good vrs. Evil are incredible and purposeful. However, cloaking device, transporters (small ships), use of Empire as the foe think Klingon, etc. What I found interesting with Star Wars is the expectation you knew what a cloaking device was.
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I thought this was settled with Princess Leia in Gold Bikini?
Goofynewfie
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Sorry, she never did a thing for me. I thought Tasha Yar was pretty hot though. And Yeoman Rand from TOS.
Not Princess Leia in a Gold Bikini hot, but not bad.
Ya know, this brings up a very good point. Anyone watch some old TV series or movies and notice how awful guys could treat a woman back then??
Watch Captain Kirk or James Bond!
Watch Captain Kirk or James Bond!
Best Captain? Capt. Kirk or Capt. Picard?
My nerdy opinion is Capt Picard, by a long shot.
My nerdy opinion is Capt Picard, by a long shot.
You have got to be joking. Yes, these themes are present, but they are ubiquitous, bordering-on-the-wrong-side-of-cliché, CHILD-level fantasy tropes. Far from brilliant... the same characteristics could be said of so many works of fantasy that they could even be considered defining characteristics of the genre.
For instance, the exact same quote could pretty much be used to describe The Lord of the Rings!
There's a reason the whole series is so directly compared to soap operas (eg the whole "space opera" term). And I say this not to disparage Star Wars, nor its fans, but merely to demonstrate that these particular traits are somewhat shallow, ubiquitous tropes, rather than attributes indicative of anything particularly uniquely brilliant.
But I can't stress enough that *NONE* of this is necessarily a bad thing, NOR does it say anything bad about its fans. It has many of the same redeeming qualities that a decent western flick might have.
I must admit I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, but it has nothing to do with anything I've just mentioned. In fact, I've been a huge fan of the fantasy genre since I was a kid, everything from such "good-vs-evil" sci-fi to so-called "high fantasy"... for example, having even read A Game of Thrones about a decade-and-a-half ago when my 9th grade English teacher recommended it to me after finding I was the only real fan of contemporary fantasy in my entire classroom (it being a gifted class, everybody else listed their favorite book as either one of the "classics", or written by Stephen King, Michael Crichton, or John Grisham with myself being literally the only exception save the teacher herself, also apparently a huge fan of modern fantasy).
But no, the reason I just cannot get into Star Wars in a big way is because, in film especially (and I consider myself a major film geek), dialog is *EVERYTHING* to me - and in my opinion, the dialog is truly Star Wars' biggest, most critical failure; it has some of the worst dialog in all of film to me, which just makes it impossible to immerse myself into it at any level. But I can recognize that dialog doesn't have the same level of importance to most others, and so it's also a shortcoming I just don't feel I can criticize people to ANY degree for "overlooking" whatsoever.
Realistically, she wasn't particularly attractive and if the whole thing didn't have such massive nerdgasm/geek appeal, Carrie Fisher in a gold bikini wouldn't really do all that much for anyone.
I actually agree with you here, but the typical tall/skinny/European-model look never actually seems to do all that much for me.
My hormone-laden teenage self rejects your opinion and reasserts its horny conclusion regarding the attractiveness of a young Carrie Fisher!
Actually, the Enterprise ran several simulations and 75% of the crew agreed Carrie Fisher WAS, in fact hot. Of the remainder all but one considered her attractive"
The lone dissenting vote came from a Red Shirt and it was later discovered that he had perished at the time of voting and presumably pressed the "Not Attractive" button as he collapsed to the deck.
And, although it did not affect the outcome of the simulations, Data later discovered that Wesley Crusher has somehow managed to cast 5 "Hot" votes...
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HoppyDaze
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I know, it's awesome...
I'm a Trekkie really but this pic has a point lol
Emjay we will just have to disagree, Star Wars came out 36 years ago. There is a lot more philosophies inregards to color,music, etc. Yes, I agree the reluctant hero theme is way over used. I wish I could remember the documentary with George Lucas that expands on the different methods and philsophies he used in the film. It was really interesting.
ChshreCat
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Ugh.... They couldn't kill of Tasha Yar soon enough for me. I'm more of a Dax kinda guy.
Goofynewfie
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Jadzia or Ezri?
I had to look that up. I didn't watch DS9.
landshark
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I didn't like the whole Dax storyline or characters. Or DS9 for that matter.
ChshreCat
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Yes please.
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TxBrew said:
Star Trek has a robot with a functioning penis. Fact
and laser swords. that somehow managed to limit their range. I hear that the technology for a light saber has existed (maybe not in that size) for years, only the making it stop after 3-4 feet part isnt doable yet. Well that and making it something you can parry another one with.
Thunder_Chicken
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Tasha had her moments:
See above image for relevant scene with said robot.
She kept re-appearing. Remember when she showed up as her Romulan daughter.
ChshreCat
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Tasha had her moments:
See above image for relevant scene with said robot.
Nope. Not even then. The greasy hair and superman-spitcurl ruin it.
Thunder_Chicken
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She had hair in that scene? I didn't notice.
Goofynewfie
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Did you see her playboy spread? I still remember it
