I was talking to a friend of mine about the movie and who the bad guy could be and we were discussing the rumors that it could be Sidious or Plagueis and then I said "You know what would be trippy. If Vader didn't die in that fire or he somehow transferred his essence to another being or something and that's who Snoke is." And his response was something along the lines of "That would totally negate the redemption his character had in Ep 6". And I have to say I agree. If Snoke somehow turned out to be Vader, that would be a real bummer. I fully expect it to be Sidious or Plagueis.
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I was talking to a friend of mine about the movie and who the bad guy could be and we were discussing the rumors that it could be Sidious or Plagueis and then I said "You know what would be trippy. If Vader didn't die in that fire or he somehow transferred his essence to another being or something and that's who Snoke is." And his response was something along the lines of "That would totally negate the redemption his character had in Ep 6". And I have to say I agree. If Snoke somehow turned out to be Vader, that would be a real bummer. I fully expect it to be Sidious or Plagueis.
iijakii
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Yeah, that'd be incredibly stupid if it's Vader. Would ruin the movie entirely.
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I liked Rey. And thought Daisey Ridley did a fine job. Only quirk for me is she, far too often, looks like Kiera Knightly.
agrazela
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Kiera Knightly with a little meat on her bones. And that's a good thing!
iijakii
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I thought she could be the daughter of the lady who plays Cersei. Lena Headrey or whatever. Has the same quirky mouth mannerisms and accent.
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Yeah, I'm curious as to his story. Is he just the next emperor or is he something else? Does the Sith even exist anymore? And Kylo is part of the Knights of Ren, whatever they are. Presumably something similar to the Sith, using the dark side of the force. And like every Sith being having the word Darth in their name, the Knights all have Ren.
Maybe these characters exist in the book universe? Or maybe the characters in the movie are an amalgamation of book characters.
iijakii
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I thought the KoR were just a force-trained squadron. Sort of like the Jedi.
As to Sith vs other dark side group, is there enough lore in the movies so far for us to know a difference? We don't really have anything on the Sith besides they're powerful dark-side, want to kill Jedi and seize power.
My guess is Ep 8 will be a lot of flashbacks to how Luke, Han, Leia, Ben and possibly Rey ended up where they are in Ep 7. Did Luke keep Vader's helmet as some sort of reminder and then Ben stole it? If rey is Luke's daughter, then they will have to introduce her mother somehow.
And remember when Kylo takes his helmet off when he's interrogating Rey and he puts it in a container of ash? What's that about?
And remember when Kylo takes his helmet off when he's interrogating Rey and he puts it in a container of ash? What's that about?
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I didn't catch that but now I'm curious. I also didn't know about the Knights of Ren. Time for some Wookiepedia
That, or maybe ashes from Vader's helmet after he burned it up. Maybe he was feeling the pull to the light from Vader's helmet so he roasted it? Just a theory I read.
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I am not following.
It is clear in Return of the Jedi the helmet was in place when Luke set Vader ablaze.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ypdyXN3RQ[/ame]
You know how he has Vader's melted helmet earlier in the movie? Maybe he felt the call to the light side emanating from the helmet and so he reduced the helmet to ash and is keeping it on that pedestal.
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Not only this but, the table was in the interrogation room. Kylo Ren wasn't portrayed as someone with much emotional restraint. Why then would he gather himself, carry the mask to another room, and then burn it.
Based on his lashing out on what appeared to be a rather important and expensive control room, I don't think he'd do that.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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Huh?
They all look really old. Ford was the oldest of the 3 in the original so I guess the change wasn't as stark. He was in his 30s when Ep 4 came otu, Fisher was 21, Hamill was 26, Ford was 35.
Hey, Presidents get grey really fast. Robert E. Lee had a head of dark hair and a dark beard when he assumed command of the Confederate armies, and within 8 months or so his hair was completely white.
It's okay if Her Worshipfulness, Gen. Organa, aged a tad in the 30 years she's been administering a rebellion/resistance and when her son has turned to the Dark Side, which prompted her husband to run.
And Carrie Fischer is sharp as a tack and cool as can be.
It's okay if Her Worshipfulness, Gen. Organa, aged a tad in the 30 years she's been administering a rebellion/resistance and when her son has turned to the Dark Side, which prompted her husband to run.
And Carrie Fischer is sharp as a tack and cool as can be.
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Saw this film yesterday. Pretty good film, plenty of action, some really nice FX...
That being said, I'm not sure if it was all the hype or just me, but honestly I was expecting more/better. In the scenes with both Leia & Solo, the acting seemed a little "forced" (no pun) to me. I found it odd that Rey just suddenly developed Jedi powers, with zero training, that took most Jedi years to learn; AND she was powerful enough to defeat Kylo Ren, who obviously has had some training, twice. She must be some sort of soon to be super Jedi.
Now something that has been amiss for every Star Wars film is how the Millennium Falcon is able to out fly FIGHTERS. This has never made any sense, even with Solo's "special modifications," this would be like a DC-9 flying rings around a P-51, and considering how much time has passed & technological advancements, it would be closer to a DC-9 flying rings around an F-15. Now the Falcon hasn't flown in 20 years & it's flight ready in a less than a minute AND can still out-fly not one, but TWO tie fighters.
Another thing they got wrong originally & have continued with in this latest SW film is that "Made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" bit. If filmmakers are going to use current terminology, they need to at least use it properly. Here's the definition for those who don't already know:
A parsec (symbol: pc) is a unit of length used to measure large distances to objects outside the Solar System. One parsec is the distance at which one astronomical unit subtends an angle of one arcsecond. A parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length.
If it is X distance from point A to point B, you CANNOT travel said distance in LESS distance. There has been no mention of warp or space-folding technology in any SW film. It's like they're saying "I drove 14 miles & it only took me 12 miles to get there."
As soon as Leia said "If you see our son, bring him home," I knew Solo would die at the hands of Kylo Ren, Ren said so earlier while talking to the 30 foot hologram...
Predictable; It was still sad though.
The new super weapon? It's just the deathstar 3.0; as good as the FX were, I was rather disappointed with this. They can figure out how to destroy the thing, which is about 5 times bigger & more powerful than the 1st Deathstar, in about 2 minutes, from a stormtrooper who was assigned to SANITATION at the facility; this guy can't fly a ship, but he can figure out how to destroy the secret weapon.
Also, nobody can find Skywalker, nobody knows where this legendary "1st Jedi temple" is, or even if it exists, yet once they have the map, they can fly there in about 5 minutes. Come on JJ, give us a feeling of some passage of time. Then there's the ending, there isn't one, the movie just stopped. I know there's going to be a sequel, we all know this, and we all expect some sort of cliff hanger, but some sort of ending to sort of wrap-up this particular installment of the story would've been nice; this was worse the the ending of The Empire Strikes Back.
Now that I've managed to rag on the latest SW movie, I have to say that overall, I did enjoy it. If you're a diehard SW fan & dress up as your fav character(s), you'll LOVE it. If you've never seen any SW films, you'll likely enjoy it, though there are many references you won't get. In spite of incongruencies, it's a pretty good movie; I just expected more/better. Will I go see the sequel? Sure, why not.
Regards, GF.
That being said, I'm not sure if it was all the hype or just me, but honestly I was expecting more/better. In the scenes with both Leia & Solo, the acting seemed a little "forced" (no pun) to me. I found it odd that Rey just suddenly developed Jedi powers, with zero training, that took most Jedi years to learn; AND she was powerful enough to defeat Kylo Ren, who obviously has had some training, twice. She must be some sort of soon to be super Jedi.
Now something that has been amiss for every Star Wars film is how the Millennium Falcon is able to out fly FIGHTERS. This has never made any sense, even with Solo's "special modifications," this would be like a DC-9 flying rings around a P-51, and considering how much time has passed & technological advancements, it would be closer to a DC-9 flying rings around an F-15. Now the Falcon hasn't flown in 20 years & it's flight ready in a less than a minute AND can still out-fly not one, but TWO tie fighters.
Another thing they got wrong originally & have continued with in this latest SW film is that "Made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs" bit. If filmmakers are going to use current terminology, they need to at least use it properly. Here's the definition for those who don't already know:
A parsec (symbol: pc) is a unit of length used to measure large distances to objects outside the Solar System. One parsec is the distance at which one astronomical unit subtends an angle of one arcsecond. A parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length.
If it is X distance from point A to point B, you CANNOT travel said distance in LESS distance. There has been no mention of warp or space-folding technology in any SW film. It's like they're saying "I drove 14 miles & it only took me 12 miles to get there."
As soon as Leia said "If you see our son, bring him home," I knew Solo would die at the hands of Kylo Ren, Ren said so earlier while talking to the 30 foot hologram...
Predictable; It was still sad though.
The new super weapon? It's just the deathstar 3.0; as good as the FX were, I was rather disappointed with this. They can figure out how to destroy the thing, which is about 5 times bigger & more powerful than the 1st Deathstar, in about 2 minutes, from a stormtrooper who was assigned to SANITATION at the facility; this guy can't fly a ship, but he can figure out how to destroy the secret weapon.
Also, nobody can find Skywalker, nobody knows where this legendary "1st Jedi temple" is, or even if it exists, yet once they have the map, they can fly there in about 5 minutes. Come on JJ, give us a feeling of some passage of time. Then there's the ending, there isn't one, the movie just stopped. I know there's going to be a sequel, we all know this, and we all expect some sort of cliff hanger, but some sort of ending to sort of wrap-up this particular installment of the story would've been nice; this was worse the the ending of The Empire Strikes Back.
Now that I've managed to rag on the latest SW movie, I have to say that overall, I did enjoy it. If you're a diehard SW fan & dress up as your fav character(s), you'll LOVE it. If you've never seen any SW films, you'll likely enjoy it, though there are many references you won't get. In spite of incongruencies, it's a pretty good movie; I just expected more/better. Will I go see the sequel? Sure, why not.
Regards, GF.
kombat
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What makes you so sure she's had "zero training?"
Wow ... you're almost 40 years late to this party, gratus. That horse was beaten to death decades ago. Yeah, we all know a "Parsec" is a unit of distance, thanks. But they made that mistake in the original, and they couldn't very well change it in the new movie or it would be inconsistent. Besides, if you consult the many (MANY) dissertations on the topic, you'll discover that there are some - somewhat roundabout - explanations that can explain away the apparent mistake. For example, maybe the "Kessel Run" isn't a particular, rigid path (like Germany's Nurburgring), but rather a puzzle to be solved (eg., "What's the shortest distance you can traverse to deliver these 12 pizzas to the people that ordered them?"). Here's an even more nerdy and scientific explanation. At any rate, you're not covering any new ground here.
Thank you. I now need to change before work because I literally spit coffee onto my clothes. That was perfect!
I always attributed the parsec debate to how we measure distance in the midwest..."How far is it to Chicago?" "About 35 minutes..."
kombat
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Some random people have British accents in the Star Wars universe? Rey does, and she's supposedly Luke's daughter (who doesn't). Explain that? C-3P0 does, and he's a droid. In the OT, several of the officers in the Empire had British accents (didn't notice if they did in FA). Daniel Craig does, but his storm trooper character in FA doesn't (not that I noticed, anyway).
So I guess the answer is ... it's random?
So I guess the answer is ... it's random?
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charliethebum
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I personally got a kick out of the whole kessel run thing. I'm sure they threw it in there just to get a new rise of astronomy/physics nerds. Something like "yeah it's a unit of distance and not time....in YOUR galaxy!"
Not to completely defend the part at the end when Rey defeats Kylo, but he did just absorb a blast from Chewie's laser bow. Everyone else that got shot with that gun flew 20 feet through the air. And we see him bleeding quite a bit from it. So presumably he was weakened during that fight.
ZebulonBrewer
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I agree with your assessment. I enjoyed it, but there were definitely sticking points. Rey and Finn (one N or two? I'm not sure) are excellent, both as actors and as characters. Poe is an interesting character, but the guy playing him just doesn't do anything for me. Gwendoline Christy (Phasma) is wasted in this movie, but she claims she'll be featured more in the next one as 'a baddie,' so there's hope there. Nearly every new character has a single syllable name (Poe, Rey, Finn, [Kylo] Ren, Snoke, Maz), which bothers me a little, but then so were some of the OT characters (Luke, Han).
One thing that was also weird was Maz. Here's someone who has run a shady establishment 'for a thousand years.' You don't get that level of notoriety for helping the good guys. She seems awfully invested in the good guys, and then sticks around while her place is crumbling around her! No hideout, no crazy escape. A shady tavern owner woulda been outta there so fast.
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