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Spent all afternoon mashing up ginger and pineapple to make a beer (live in Thailand so limited ingredients here).

I then added the yeast (bought the day before from local bakery, so 'live'), but when I went to loosen the cap on Big fermenting Bottle, no satisfying 'hiss', and worse, when I gave the bottle a 'nudge', just to wake the yeast up, tightly screwed cap let out some of the liquid :( I know. Should've invested in a balloon.

A LOT of work and 22 liters down the drain? Or could I just add some new yeast. And invest in a balloon? Thankyou :)
 
What are you making? I would keep going no matter what you are making, and what is the balloon for? What kind of yeast strain from the bakery?
 
This is awesome... sorry. I'm sure it will turn out great. I've heard pineapple wine is delicious. Good luck my friend.
 
Spent all afternoon mashing up ginger and pineapple to make a beer (live in Thailand so limited ingredients here).

I then added the yeast (bought the day before from local bakery, so 'live'), but when I went to loosen the cap on Big fermenting Bottle, no satisfying 'hiss', and worse, when I gave the bottle a 'nudge', just to wake the yeast up, tightly screwed cap let out some of the liquid :( I know. Should've invested in a balloon.

A LOT of work and 22 liters down the drain? Or could I just add some new yeast. And invest in a balloon? Thankyou :)

With due respect mate that is not beer. Some kind of Hooch maybe but not beer you are making.
 
Spent all afternoon mashing up ginger and pineapple to make a beer (live in Thailand so limited ingredients here).

I then added the yeast (bought the day before from local bakery, so 'live'), but when I went to loosen the cap on Big fermenting Bottle, no satisfying 'hiss', and worse, when I gave the bottle a 'nudge', just to wake the yeast up, tightly screwed cap let out some of the liquid :( I know. Should've invested in a balloon.

A LOT of work and 22 liters down the drain? Or could I just add some new yeast. And invest in a balloon? Thankyou :)


This sounds like a prison wine recipe... Are you using any other fermentables? Or just pineapple? Is the yeast "bakers yeast"??
 
This sounds more like a wine,than beer. You need a wine or beer yeast not a bakers yeast. Also you must have a type of airlock or blow off tube to release the gases. Fermentation is not an instant process and my take some time to start, hours and some times days. If you use a balloon make sure to sanitize it and poke a pin hole in it. cheers;)
 
BOBrob said:
You need a wine or beer yeast not a bakers yeast.

Not true. You can definitely ferment sugars into alcohol with bakers' yeast.

It just doesn't produce the great flavor profiles that beer and wine strains do, and is a really poor flocculater, so it tends to remain in suspension and give the beverage a yeasty taste and mouthfeel.

But this guy is making hooch anyways, so it's likely not a big deal.
 
I experimented by making some prison wine with bakers yeast about 6 weeks ago (one gallon of white grape, one gallon of cherry).. I was able to get it pretty clear by racking to a new container every 2 days (about 4 times after initial fermentation was over).. When it was finished the cherry was still sweet, but tasted decent. The white has a very strong yeast taste. Both have a very high ABV. It was a fun experiment, but I'm not sure I want to drink them. I ordered some wine yeast for my next experiment...
 
'Prison' hooch is all that is available to expats in tropical climes. And of course the Middle East. No 'Hop Shops' here, and, laughably, I've recently found out that it is illegal to even make ANY alcoholic drink, even for your own personal consumption here in The Theatre Of The Absurd that is Thailand. They're all pissed up on the Godawful homemade rice whiskey which sends thousands to an early demise yearly. So any 'law' I find blatantly stupid I just ignore. It's not as though Somchai next door's going to grass me up ...

Their beer is disgusting too and I've given up on all of it. 'Stir in a ton of noxious chemicals with some water, together with formaldahyde, for preservation purposes, and stand back'. They should've been colonized. Even the Burmese can turn out decent rum/whiskey/gin and the rest of SE Asia all have a palatable signature beer.

Wine's my favourite, but exhorbitantly expensive. Why? Import? Nah, even their pathetic attempts at wineries in the North cost the same. Customs corrupt as f*ck.

I have made only ginger beer (as it's called by the Aussie expat gave me a recipe), requiring 6 weeks in total. Okay, fizzy and gets you there. Then tried another one from The Expat's Survival Guide requiring just 5 liters of water, 1 kilo sugar, and a small jar of honey, baker's yeast and just 7 days fermenting. My mate spat it out. So thought I'd try a more watered down one, this time adding pineapple to sweeten it up a bit. Ginger acts as an accentuate and gets rid of all sugars pretty fast. I tried a sip yesterday and if they had chips here, would be better sprinkled on them.

So, given that there's only baker's yeast, should I just chuck some more in and secure bottle opening with pricked balloon (to release the gas, if there is any this time), or chuck it out?
 
'Prison' hooch is all that is available to expats in tropical climes. And of course the Middle East. No 'Hop Shops' here, and, laughably, I've recently found out that it is illegal to even make ANY alcoholic drink, even for your own personal consumption here in The Theatre Of The Absurd that is Thailand. They're all pissed up on the Godawful homemade rice whiskey which sends thousands to an early demise yearly. So any 'law' I find blatantly stupid I just ignore. It's not as though Somchai next door's going to grass me up ...

Their beer is disgusting too and I've given up on all of it. 'Stir in a ton of noxious chemicals with some water, together with formaldahyde, for preservation purposes, and stand back'. They should've been colonized. Even the Burmese can turn out decent rum/whiskey/gin and the rest of SE Asia all have a palatable signature beer.

Wine's my favourite, but exhorbitantly expensive. Why? Import? Nah, even their pathetic attempts at wineries in the North cost the same. Customs corrupt as f*ck.

I have made only ginger beer (as it's called by the Aussie expat gave me a recipe), requiring 6 weeks in total. Okay, fizzy and gets you there. Then tried another one from The Expat's Survival Guide requiring just 5 liters of water, 1 kilo sugar, and a small jar of honey, baker's yeast and just 7 days fermenting. My mate spat it out. So thought I'd try a more watered down one, this time adding pineapple to sweeten it up a bit. Ginger acts as an accentuate and gets rid of all sugars pretty fast. I tried a sip yesterday and if they had chips here, would be better sprinkled on them.

So, given that there's only baker's yeast, should I just chuck some more in and secure bottle opening with pricked balloon (to release the gas, if there is any this time), or chuck it out?

Is it illegal to import LME in a can, dry yeast and hop pellets? I could post you some 'repackaged bakers yeast aka US-05'.
 
Thanks but most expats have the stuff smuggled in. I don't have anyone coming over for a while, so in the meantime, is there anything I can do about the present batch? Add more baker's yeast (all that's available here). Thanks.
 
Are there any signs of fermentation? Is there any chance you can get your hands on a hydrometer to check the gravity? If you have any signs of fermentation I would just leave it alone.. If you have no signs of fermentation after 72 hours you might consider re-pitching some yeast. It would be best if you could check gravity over a couple days, as this is the only way to tell if fermentation is taking place. I used balloons for my test batch also. Poke 4 holes in the sides of the ballon with a needle. Make sure you sanitize the balloon first (inside and out). Replace the ballon every couple of days with a freshly sanitized one. If you have the fermenting container capped off the gas build-up can hurt the yeast and ruin the taste, so use sanitized foil (it will let gas escape) till you get balloons. I hope these tips help. I'm no pro, but this is what I did with my prison hooch.. Good luck! Let us know how it works out...
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I would recommend getting some dry yeast from the grocery store if its available. It will probably be better quality actually then the lump yeast from the bakery.
 
I would recommend getting some dry yeast from the grocery store if its available. It will probably be better quality actually then the lump yeast from the bakery.

Absolutely not here it's not. Baking not big with Thais (I'm on Phuket, lot of expats so lot of bakeries). If they have yeast in the local supermarket, it's usually in large packages and has sat on the shelf for a year or more. They don't throw anything out. They wait until it can crawl out by itself ... At least bakery yeast must be fresh, they've just made a big batch of bread with it.
 
Are there any signs of fermentation? Is there any chance you can get your hands on a hydrometer to check the gravity? If you have any signs of fermentation I would just leave it alone.. If you have no signs of fermentation after 72 hours you might consider re-pitching some yeast. It would be best if you could check gravity over a couple days, as this is the only way to tell if fermentation is taking place. I used balloons for my test batch also. Poke 4 holes in the sides of the ballon with a needle. Make sure you sanitize the balloon first (inside and out). Replace the ballon every couple of days with a freshly sanitized one. If you have the fermenting container capped off the gas build-up can hurt the yeast and ruin the taste, so use sanitized foil (it will let gas escape) till you get balloons. I hope these tips help. I'm no pro, but this is what I did with my prison hooch.. Good luck! Let us know how it works out...
:mug:

I've just had a tentative peek at BIG bottle and yes! We have some bubbles, no hiss, but definite bubbles, and it does smell slightly alcoholic. I say slightly, as ginger has a kind of 'alcoholic' smell to it anyway. Or it could just be me ...

What happened was, this is a hybrid of the two previous recipes I made up. The first required just 1 desert spoon of yeast mixed up with a squeeze of lime and warm water before being pitched in to the warm mash and then make it all up to 22 liters. Turns out this particular recipe called for boiling the bejayzuz (3 times each with 1k sugar) out of the ginger, hence no 'ginger' taste. This was the six week recipe.

The second spat out recipe was 5 liters (smaller store bought water bottle) with 1k sugar only, together with small jar honey, just brought to boil and left to sit overnight, thus retaining the ginger flavour, which sounded more plausible, and THEN pitching in TWO desert spoons of yeast just chucked in to the now cold mash. Bubbled like fury but mate said it tasted like Nitromores lol. This recipe only seven days.

I'd topped up one of the half empty small secondary bottles with plain cold water, 'fridged it, and was definitely more palatable, although still a tad sour. So hit on this idea of just upping the water content, doubling the sugar, and adding pineapple instead of the honey. I've heard the locals make pineapple hooch, but that it's too sweet.

Shall I just leave it as it is then? And hope for the best ... Cap firmly on - but obviously lets in some air anyway, as some liquid came out when I tried to 'wake it up a bit'. These are 10 baht water bottles the locals use and then exchange the bottles for refills. But after a while, having been knocked about a bit, not quite as watertight as should be it seems. Also, I'd reckoned on this being just a bigger version of the 5 liter 7 day recipe. Am I being impatient? (Need a drink haha).

Doesn't seem to be any point in investing in a balloon for this batch as any fermentation already as far as it's likely to go? Pitching more yeast into it after a week waste of time? :confused:

PS NO way of getting hold of a hydrometer out in the jungle. So I have to test the gravity by how pissed I get.

PPS Just so you get an idea of how bad things are boozewise here, there's a Scot has a bar up my soi who advertises cider. God knows what apples he uses (all pretty mild and tasteless here, soil not earth, it's sandy). He's really proud of this crap. Doubt it's even looked at an apple. But people buy it. Because it's NOT THAI 'BEER' LOL!
 
So you are mixing highly acidic lime juice directly with you yeast before you pitch it? That could explain the slow reaction...
 
Is sounds like you are making something similar to Tepache.


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I'd look at that thread and some of the threads in the wine and cider sections for info on how to brew highly acidic "wines" like that. Skeeter pee is another one.
 
So you are mixing highly acidic lime juice directly with you yeast before you pitch it? That could explain the slow reaction...

No. That was the first time I'd tried it with Aussie mate recipe. No ginger taste.

Present batch - no lime.
 
Is sounds like you are making something similar to Tepache.


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I'd look at that thread and some of the threads in the wine and cider sections for info on how to brew highly acidic "wines" like that. Skeeter pee is another one.

The only thing this batch seems to have in common with Tepache (naturally fermented hooch from innate fruit sugars) is that it has a bit of pineapple in it.

I've already squeezed out the 24hr standing ginger and pineapple mash, so no need for secondary fermenting, ie, get rid of the gunk. So I'm just going to let it sit until it tastes okay :fro: Enough already ... :tank:
 
Quick update - The recipe called for just seven days, but I sampled it a couple of days ago. It was a tad 'sharp' (read vinegary), so fastened the cap for a couple of days more. Have in front of me a nice light amber coloured liquid :) Tastes like a light sparkling wine, but no 'depth'. Willing to give it another go, but doubling up on the pineapple and an extra kilo of sugar.

Would that help do you think?

Thanks to the poster who advised to keep it going by the way. Still better than Thai beer:p
 
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