Proposed Style Guidelines. Cascadian Dark Ale

[Sigafoos]

I read this whole thread. I get a medal for that, right? (or at least a cookie)

Being an east coaster, but not east enough to be cool, I had never heard of this til this thread, and it took me a few days to read it because I seriously thought somebody was just making stuff up.

I like the idea of 14D, not because I hate the PNW (which I do, sooo much!) but because it seems more useful, as a catchall for the styles of 'we took a beer and then shoveled a bunch of hops into it.'

Also, the other haters in this thread we need to address are the 23A bashers. I may have had a really bad spruce ale in the flight, but I stewarded 23A this year and there were some fantastic beers in there.

 

[cheezydemon3]

As much as I like this site, no one here gets to decide anything officially.

Lets agree to disagree.

 

[remilard]

Maybe someone needs to start doing some competitions that aren't based on style. Just vote for the tastiest beers. Then folks who don't want to conform to styles but still want to compete can do so.

It's called Beer Advocate and, guess what, people only like Imperial Stouts. No need to repeat that experiment.

 

[weirdboy]

It's called Beer Advocate and, guess what, people only like Imperial Stouts. No need to repeat that experiment.

Now, now. Imperial IPAs are also acceptable.

 

[ChshreCat]

I read this whole thread. I get a medal for that, right?

If you do, it should be the Purple Heart.

 

[FlyGuy]

It's called Beer Advocate and, guess what, people only like Imperial Stouts. No need to repeat that experiment.

ROFL. Classic response (and so true).

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

Brewer's Association has officially decided on American-Style India Black Ale.
http://www.brewersassociation.org/p...ociation-announces-2010-beer-style-guidelines

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

American-Style India Black Ale
American-style India black ale has medium high to high hop bitterness, flavor and aroma with medium-high alcohol content, balanced with a medium body. The style is further characterized by a moderate degree of caramel malt character and medium to strong dark roasted malt flavor and aroma. High astringency and high degree of burnt roast malt character should be absent. Fruity, floral and herbal character from hops of all origins may contribute to aroma and flavor.
Original Gravity (ºPlato) 1.056-1.075 (14-18.2 ºPlato) ●
Apparent Extract/Final Gravity (ºPlato) 1.012-1.018 (3-4.5 ºPlato) ●
Alcohol by Weight (Volume) 5-6% (6 -7.5%) ●
Bitterness (IBU) 50-70 ●
Color SRM (EBC) 25+ (50+ EBC)

Doesn't look like the full-blown guideline but still looks a bit different than the beer described in the OP. I wanna make one.

 

[passedpawn]

Brewer's Association has officially decided on American-Style India Black Ale.
http://www.brewersassociation.org/p...ociation-announces-2010-beer-style-guidelines

Sorry, but those guidelines suck. Every one starts with American Style or German Style, etc. That's stupid.

Regardless, inclusion there lends some (minor) credibility to the CDA style.

BTW, is there a recipe in the HBT recipe dictionary for a CDA?

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

Remember folks, this is the ABA, not the BJCP.

 

[passedpawn]

Remember folks, this is the ABA, not the BJCP.

Right. I think I have the BJCP memorized. I don't need another (I didn't know another existed, actually).

 

[Scooby_Brew]

So I got a new BYO issue this morning and what do I see on the cover? "Birth of a style: Cascadian Dark Ale" . Oh, I am sooo sorry for all of you party poopers and naysayers, I guess you gonna pick up all your toys now and go back to mama crying whoo, whoo

 

[phasedweasel]

Oh, I am sooo sorry for all of you party poopers and naysayers, I guess you gonna pick up all your toys now and go back to mama crying whoo, whoo

Are you trolling? What's with the hostility and insults?

 

[passedpawn]

Are you trolling?

Sure he is. The Great Internet Forum Challenge is to not take the bait. Once you've mastered that, you are ready for the Reality Challenge: marriage.

 

[Scooby_Brew]

All I'm saying is that the CDA is gaining recognition, and the BYO article is just another prove of that. Yes, there will be some people unhappy because they "have brewed a dark hoppy ale long time ago" So what? I brew an "India Brown" an "Imperial Porter" for years now. But that doesn't make me an inventor of this style. I'm just happy there is a new style, I'm happy that it originated in the USA, and so should you. It is a different, new style. and a good one too.
For some reason, I just can't understand why, some people here are so seriously opposed to the style. They take it like it's a war or something. They take it too personal. It's just beer, people, get over it!
BTW, if this is the biggest problem in your life right now then you must be very happy people, congrats on that.
PS. The article in BYO was written by Marc Martin. He was invited to participate in a symposium to discuss CDA. Eight beer writers and and 13 brewers took part of the discussion. It is a very interesting read, IMO, completed with proposed style specifications and a few recipes.

 

[olllllo]

BYO will take just about any reasonably written submission. It's not like they have an editorial staff. BYO also accepts ads for marital aid products. If you want to make a grandiose social statement out of that too, feel free.

I think the only thing that is being invented is some revisionist history.

Frankly, no one really objects to the elements of the style, just the intentional regional branding of it.

 

[Beernik]

I think it's the hubris of the proposed style's history.

I especially like the part about it being created early in the 21st Century. It's as though today is not still early in the 21st Century. Makes me chuckle every time I think about it.

 

[Mustangj]

subscribed

 

[Homercidal]

What's the point of calling it American-Style if it uses hops from any region? I thought the whole point was to use American hops, and plenty of them!

And at least Cascadian Dark Ale has is a cooler-sounding name, even if it references one particular area of the country. Last time I checked, my backyard hops were not growing in the Pacific Northwest.

So why don't we just call it American Black Ale, or American Dark Ale, and specify American Hops.

 

[carnevoodoo]

I blame Hitler.

 

[BeerBrent]

so is there a new category yet or do we still enter this beer into category 23?

 

[raiderrob67]

I made this last month. here is the recipe.
2 row #6
rye #1
Dextrose #1 (late boil)
Carafa III #.50
Crystal 120 #.50
Chocolate #.25

Hop's
Magnum 1 oz @ 60
Citra .50 oz @ 10
Cascade .50 @ 10
Citra .50 @ 1
Cascade .50 @ 1
Citra .50 @ 5 day's in secondary
Cascade .50 @ 5 day's ---------

Fermented @ 68 F with Mangrove Jack's U.S west coast M44