Proposed Style Guidelines. Cascadian Dark Ale

[jmo88]

or Kentucky common. Or the division of North and South in respect to the English brown ales. Geographical distinctions happen in beer.

 

[remilard]

Is someone unhappy about California Common?

It was first brewed in California, and nearly 100% of current production is in California, so no.

I am unhappy with Oregon claiming a beer that was brewed in Texas before they guy that named it CDA in Portland was born.

 

[Thakog]

This is from the link that was provided earlier:

Ironic considering we called it
California Dark in deference to our friends on the West Coast who we
felt "invented" the category (if one can actually "invent" a beer
category. . .).

I should note that California is very much a part of "Cascadia."

 

[remilard]

This is from the link that was provided earlier:

Ironic considering we called it
California Dark in deference to our friends on the West Coast who we
felt "invented" the category (if one can actually "invent" a beer
category. . .).

I should note that California is very much a part of "Cascadia."

People in Oregon were all drinking Henry Weinhard's back then, which is why they limited it to California. Note the Californian's wanted to give credit to Texas. Let's go with Southwest Dark Ale, shall we?

 

[Thakog]

My contention has always been to name it after the region that really popularized it, which I feel is the pacific northwest/west coast. (Stone has a pretty popular version.)

However, Southwest Dark Ale has a nice sound to it. I like it better than American Dark Ale, and much better than the black ipa name.

 

[cheezydemon3]

I am pleased that AMERICAN's invented it, I would prefer the rest of the world knew it too, doubt anyone has heard of Cascadia, is that a location in the new avatar movie?

Whatever. Obviously our little discussion here will not solve anything.

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

I am unhappy with Oregon claiming a beer that was brewed in Texas before they guy that named it CDA in Portland was born.

I believe if we go back through this thread you will find that more folks in WASHINGTON and Northern CALIFORNIA are saying hell yeah to CDA...I haven't even given a hell yeah to it. Even Abram isn't singling out OR...not sure why so many here are. I agree there may be something better. I like the name, but I'm sure not married to it at all...

I actually quite liked the idea of a 14D.

 

[the_bird]

I'm waiting for a new Trey Parker/Matt Stone movie, "Team Cascadia".

"Pacific Northwest! **** YEAH!"

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

I propose a Great Wall of Cascadia....keep all the rest of you out and the beer in.

 

[Beerrific]

So anyone have a recipe for one of these? Maybe a clone of one of the ones that are listed as "Commercial Examples?"

Or am I not allowed to brew one b/c I don't live in the Pacific NW?

 

[Rhoobarb]

Hey, Oakshire Brewing has one! My favorite formerly local brewer Matt Van Wyk is there now. Would love to try their version. It really is Vermont's beer. Last night I had the Southern Tier (NY) Iniquity on tap and would love to clone that stuff! Amazingly good.

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

Or am I not allowed to brew one b/c I don't live in the Pacific NW, Texas, or Vermont?

There..fixed that for you.

 

[the_bird]

The easiest solution is for everyone to promise to make a pilgramige to Vermont Pub and Brewery, pay their respects to Greg Noonan, and brew Dark Cascadian/Texas/Vermont-non-pale-India-style-ale in his honor.

 

[Scooby_Brew]

Would you guys please finally stop whining like little girls? Brewers in the North West created this style and they want to call it Cascadian Dark Ale. So why so many poo-pood faces here? Next time just come up with something on your own and call it whatever you want, but for this style you're too late. Good luck next time, though.

 

[motobrewer]

wait for it...

 

[phasedweasel]

Would you guys please finally stop whining like little girls? Brewers in the North West created this style and they want to call it Cascadian Dark Ale. So why so many poo-pood faces here? Next time just come up with something on your own and call it whatever you want, but for this style you're too late. Good luck next time, though.

Perhaps it's time to lock the thread when commenters no longer bother to read the whole thing, and keep re-starting arguments ...

 

[TokyoRoad]

Would you guys please finally stop whining like little girls? Brewers in the North West created this style and they want to call it Cascadian Dark Ale. So why so many poo-pood faces here? Next time just come up with something on your own and call it whatever you want, but for this style you're too late. Good luck next time, though.

It appears the crux of the issue is that they *didn't* and are merely trying to steal credit for their gain.

IMO a poorly veiled marketing campaign with the proposed name.

 

[carnevoodoo]

Would you guys please finally stop whining like little girls? Brewers in the North West created this style and they want to call it Cascadian Dark Ale. So why so many poo-pood faces here? Next time just come up with something on your own and call it whatever you want, but for this style you're too late. Good luck next time, though.

But they didn't create it?

/thread

 

[remilard]

I believe if we go back through this thread you will find that more folks in WASHINGTON and Northern CALIFORNIA are saying hell yeah to CDA...I haven't even given a hell yeah to it. Even Abram isn't singling out OR...not sure why so many here are. I agree there may be something better. I like the name, but I'm sure not married to it at all...

I actually quite liked the idea of a 14D.

I'm from Oregon, for the record.

I like the 14D idea because it includes things that home brewers are brewing a lot (Rye IPA, Arrogant Bastard clones, a Brutal Bitter clone would fit well as it is IPA strength but not using American or English type hops) that would otherwise be excluded. I don't think there are so many black IPAs brewed by home brewers that they merit their own category and don't see why they can't be judged along side brown roasty IPAs (which I think the CDA guideline includes), amber/unroasty brown IPAs (red rocket, arrogant bastard) and Rye IPAs. This would also take a lot of stuff OUT of 23 which is a category that gets a ton of entries, many of them some sort of "other" IPA.

 

[cheezydemon3]

would you guys please finally stop whining like little girls? Brewers in the north west created this style and they want to call it cascadian dark ale. So why so many poo-pood faces here? Next time just come up with something on your own and call it whatever you want, but for this style you're too late. Good luck next time, though.

................................

Ruh roh!!!!

perhaps it's time to lock the thread when commenters no longer bother to read the whole thing, and keep re-starting arguments ...

it appears the crux of the issue is that they *didn't* and are merely trying to steal credit for their gain.

Imo a poorly veiled marketing campaign with the proposed name.

wtf scooby??

 

[z987k]

Category 23 unless you can get it in 10C.

This is a fad right now, and while it will continue to be brewed for years to come I'm sure, I don't think it in any way deserves a category. This will not make it to the BJCP guidelines and even if it does I would assume they would not let it come off so pretentious.
A beer more deserving of a category is a Quad.

 

[alexdagrate]

I can understand all the bad energy, because those who live outside the future Republic of Cascadia are scared crapless that we Cascadians will withhold our greatest natural resource from you outsiders: HOPS.

We got the hops. We'll name the style what we want.

I'll give you my Cascadian (and Cascade) Hops when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

CASCADIA RISE!

 

[cheezydemon3]

I can understand all the bad energy, because those who live outside the future Republic of Cascadia are scared crapless that we Cascadians will withhold our greatest natural resource from you outsiders: HOPS.

We got the hops. We'll name the style what we want.

I'll give you my Cascadian (and Cascade) Hops when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

CASCADIA RISE!

This almost didn't deserve a reply. But at least you made me laugh with your lack of rational argument.

Enjoy that!

My Kentuckian Dark Ale is certainly tasty.

 

[alexdagrate]

Deschutes Hop in the Dark Cascadian Dark Ale debuts this May (Beernews.org)

Look, once a more respected and larger brewery like Deschutes starts using the term, it's going to stick. Widmer's Pitch Black is labeled an IPA, but the words "Cascadian Dark" are still on there. It's only a matter of time before the widely-distributed (but not as reputable) Cascadian breweries make CDAs. Be on the lookout for CDAs from Redhook, Pyramid, Mactarnahan's, and Full Sail.

 

[cheezydemon3]

The first line of that article site Black IPA as the style and CDA as the name.

 

[KYB]

I still fail to see why Cascade hops have to be in a dark hopped up beer. I don't use any in mine.

 

[RenoDean]

imperial american brown ale

 

[motobrewer]

Deschutes Hop in the Dark Cascadian Dark Ale debuts this May (Beernews.org)

Look, once a more respected and larger brewery like Deschutes starts using the term, it's going to stick. Widmer's Pitch Black is labeled an IPA, but the words "Cascadian Dark" are still on there. It's only a matter of time before the widely-distributed (but not as reputable) Cascadian breweries make CDAs. Be on the lookout for CDAs from Redhook, Pyramid, Mactarnahan's, and Full Sail.

who cares.

OR should be sold to Canada for poutine and curling rocks.

 

[ShortSnoutBrewing]

I still fail to see why Cascade hops have to be in a dark hopped up beer. I don't use any in mine.

No one ever said you had to use Cascade hops.

 

[alexdagrate]

who cares.

OR should be sold to Canada for poutine and curling rocks.

I guess you'd restrict yourself to just EKG and Czech Saaz?