Picobrew Z

[Virginia_Ranger]

Can confirm I got an email as an early backer but canceler offering me a deep discount. I asked about the Pico Pro Rebate as well and they said they still have one going and will get back to me on the exact amount. If its anything close to $100 for the rebate it puts the Z1 under $1,000.

 

[Mutant]

I did a cleaning cycle, now there’s a leak in the sample port that wasn’t there before. I have tightened it, loosened it, and it leaks no matter what. I’m guessing a crack in the clear part. Should I seal it with food grade silicone glue?

Should be a warranty item, or a cheap part if not under warranty

 

[JCJ]

Just started my first brew about 30 minutes ago. Is there any way to do a first wort hop with this and how do you make that happen?

 

[brew-in]

Can confirm I got an email as an early backer but canceler offering me a deep discount. I asked about the Pico Pro Rebate as well and they said they still have one going and will get back to me on the exact amount. If its anything close to $100 for the rebate it puts the Z1 under $1,000.

So, before rebate, your price was less than $1100?

That is a good bit cheaper than the early backer price,

 

[alestateyall]

I bought a Z1 June 24. It shipped the next day. I was surprised given the prior wait times. I guess all the preorders have been shipped?

Mine was $1999 after $750 coupon. $500 more than the preorder I cancelled but that’s okay. I decided I am not the backer type.

 

[Mike Howard]

Can confirm that a campaign was sent out to all those who cancelled to try and win back customers....not likely though, I'll stick to the BrewBoss.

 

[Mike Howard]

Inline filter was clogged.

Don't the Step Filter Grain Screens fit tight enough to prevent that from happening? That was a problem on the Zymatic, but tell me they fixed that on the new Z's?????

 

[Goblism]

Don't the Step Filter Grain Screens fit tight enough to prevent that from happening? That was a problem on the Zymatic, but tell me they fixed that on the new Z's?????

The only time mine clogged was when i ground my grains extremely fine, second brew I had done that. I have now done 13 brews total with no problems since.

 

[JaimeTheLimey]

Have had my Z2 for a couple weeks and logged 3 brews and a cold brew session. Have had zero issues with it. My only beef right now is the online recipe software. Mainly the OG/FG. I was logging a new brew and no matter what mash temp I choose it spits out the same estimated FG. Anyone else seeing this?

 

[losman26]

Don't the Step Filter Grain Screens fit tight enough to prevent that from happening? That was a problem on the Zymatic, but tell me they fixed that on the new Z's?????

I’m guessing that my crush was too fine on the previous two batches.

 

[losman26]

Have had my Z2 for a couple weeks and logged 3 brews and a cold brew session. Have had zero issues with it. My only beef right now is the online recipe software. Mainly the OG/FG. I was logging a new brew and no matter what mash temp I choose it spits out the same estimated FG. Anyone else seeing this?

Coming from Beersmith using a grainfather, I would hit my numbers exactly every time. I keep undershooting my gravity with this software . What kind of crush, and what kind of efficiency are you guys getting? I think I calculated 55%, does that seem right? Maybe I should make my crush a little finer?

 

[losman26]

I bought a Z1 June 24. It shipped the next day. I was surprised given the prior wait times. I guess all the preorders have been shipped?

Mine was $1999 after $750 coupon. $500 more than the preorder I cancelled but that’s okay. I decided I am not the backer type.

I just looked at the z2, and it’s now selling for $5,000. Wow. I’m glad I waited it out.

 

[cubsfan16]

My guess is they won’t me moving too many units at $5k. Their “sale price” is probably where the price will need to be with holiday prices at the early backer price range to move units. Hopefully their margin can allow that.

 

[Mike Howard]

Nobody in their right mind is buying a Z2 at $5K...it really should go for $2000 at the most, given what else is out there.

 

[losman26]

Nobody in their right mind is buying a Z2 at $5K...it really should go for $2000 at the most, given what else is out there.

I totally agree. Once it gets over 3k, it’s a little too much.

 

[Brewfreedom]

Nobody in their right mind is buying a Z2 at $5K...it really should go for $2000 at the most, given what else is out there.

They will never be able to sell units at their MSRP.

 

[Mutant]

Remember that your Picobrew units are nothing more than boat anchors if they ever go out of business, as they are reliant upon the web interface.

 

[brewbama]

I bought a Z1 June 24. It shipped the next day. I was surprised given the prior wait times. I guess all the preorders have been shipped?

Mine was $1999 after $750 coupon. $500 more than the preorder I cancelled but that’s okay. I decided I am not the backer type.

Has it delivered and have you brewed with it yet?

 

[alestateyall]

Has it delivered and have you brewed with it yet?

I got it last night. I plan to brew for the first time Thursday.

I did assemble it and will run a rinse cycle tonight.

 

[Munchman]

Coming from Beersmith using a grainfather, I would hit my numbers exactly every time. I keep undershooting my gravity with this software . What kind of crush, and what kind of efficiency are you guys getting? I think I calculated 55%, does that seem right? Maybe I should make my crush a little finer?

I’ve been using 65% efficiency in Beersmith lately and I’ve been just about right on every time for medium gravity beers. Last lower gravity beer was over so I probably need to adjust for that.

 

[Mike Howard]

Remember that your Picobrew units are nothing more than boat anchors if they ever go out of business, as they are reliant upon the web interface.

For now, yes....but you know I always have something up my sleeve....bwah ha ha ha ha....

 

[Trevor Mack]

For now, yes....but you know I always have something up my sleeve....bwah ha ha ha ha....

Just need one of us software guys to figure out their API and signing keys... From there you just setup a raspberry pi server and done just cloned Picobrew web interface for local offline brewing.

When I get my unit I'll be pulling up Wireshark and seeing what I can find.

 

[chiefwigms]

Just need one of us software guys to figure out their API and signing keys... From there you just setup a raspberry pi server and done just cloned Picobrew web interface for local offline brewing.

When I get my unit I'll be pulling up Wireshark and seeing what I can find.

there are no signing keys - its clear text http

 

[Mike Howard]

Just need one of us software guys to figure out their API and signing keys... From there you just setup a raspberry pi server and done just cloned Picobrew web interface for local offline brewing.

When I get my unit I'll be pulling up Wireshark and seeing what I can find.

That's been done already by a few folks for the Zymatic, not sure if they changed anything for the Z's... But I am going an easier route...

 

[alestateyall]

I built a recipe for an APA using the "BETA Crafter". I am surprised by the implied efficiency.

Using a 2.5G batch size the following grain bill leads to 1051 OG.
5.22# American Two Row Pale
0.28# American Crystal 40L

Picobrew's B-52 Blonde Ale has 6.8# of grain to get 1051 OG (according to the Picobrew public recipe database).

So, am I in for a bad experience (low OG) if I brew with the grain bill above?

I'm confused.

 

[Mike Howard]

I usually get around 70% efficiency on my Zymatic if I'm using the HEMS mash profile and with that grain bill it looks like you would hit the 1.051 target. Can't imagine the new Z's are much different, since they didn't change how it actually works. And with all of the data Picobrew has collected off our machines and recipes, it makes sense that they would be able to dial in the numbers.

 

[alestateyall]

I built a recipe for an APA using the "BETA Crafter". I am surprised by the implied efficiency.

Using a 2.5G batch size the following grain bill leads to 1051 OG.
5.22# American Two Row Pale
0.28# American Crystal 40L

Picobrew's B-52 Blonde Ale has 6.8# of grain to get 1051 OG (according to the Picobrew public recipe database).

So, am I in for a bad experience (low OG) if I brew with the grain bill above?

I'm confused.

My OG came out 1046. I think there could be a few culprits.

- One, the recipe crafter makes an assumption about 2-row extraction. I mixed Briess and Viking Malts. I have missed OG multiple times on my Grainfather with both of these. I am just trying to get rid of both.

- Two my crush maybe too tight? I have the mill set for 40 mils. I think the Picobrew recommendation is 42-45 mils. It’s hard to believe that would make a huge difference though. Maybe I am wrong.

I am going to try the High Efficiency Mash. However, the beta recipe crafter only predicts a one SG point improvement over the Single Infusion plus Mash-out that I ended up using.

 

[losman26]

How do you guys determine what the predicted OG will be on beta crafter ? Are you using the actual OG or max? On beersmith using the zymatic profile, I get numbers way higher on predicted OG than the beta crafter. The max OG on the beta crafter is closer to what my OG is supposed to be on my recipe.

Should I add more grains? I’m just trying to get as close to the OG as close as possible to what the recipe is supposed to be.

 

[losman26]

My OG came out 1046. I think there could be a few culprits.

- One, the recipe crafter makes an assumption about 2-row extraction. I mixed Briess and Viking Malts. I have missed OG multiple times on my Grainfather with both of these. I am just trying to get rid of both.

- Two my crush maybe too tight? I have the mill set for 40 mils. I think the Picobrew recommendation is 42-45 mils. It’s hard to believe that would make a huge difference though. Maybe I am wrong.

I am going to try the High Efficiency Mash. However, the beta recipe crafter only predicts a one SG point improvement over the Single Infusion plus Mash-out that I ended up using.

I was reading on FB where guys were using .025 on the mill and getting better efficiency with no problems

 

[alestateyall]

How do you guys determine what the predicted OG will be on beta crafter ? Are you using the actual OG or max? On beersmith using the zymatic profile, I get numbers way higher on predicted OG than the beta crafter. The max OG on the beta crafter is closer to what my OG is supposed to be on my recipe.

Should I add more grains? I’m just trying to get as close to the OG as close as possible to what the recipe is supposed to be.

In the picture below the Min and Max columns are minimum and maximum gravities, IBU, SRM for the BJCP style. The numbers in the Actual column are predictions for your recipe. The predicted OG for my recipe is 1054 (from the picture). Regarding BeerSmith: your BeerSmith prediction is totally dependent on the equipment profile which has information about volume, predicted efficiency, and system losses. If any of those values are out of agreement with Picobrew BETA crafter’s assumptions then the OG prediction will differ between the two tools. I think it is best to try to hit the BETA crafter number and adjust accordingly on future batches.