Oregon to raise beer tax 1900%

[DeathBrewer]

I agree that that would hurt the breweries, brewpubs, restaurants, etc. that sold the beer.

Don't really care to comment further, except to say...I feel for you, Oregon.

 

[taylornate]

It's pretty obvious now that mat is just trolling.

 

[mat_890]

. There are far to many people like Mat thought, that would just say screw it.

. It's pretty obvious now that mat is just trolling.

Actually the last post is more trolling then anything i have ever read on HBT you knew full well I would respond when you called me out and for some reason i shamelessly fell into it.

Offer you opinion and I will read it. Don't call me out if you don't want a direct response.


That being said you, me and a few others have offered more then our 0.02 cents

Ok so get your last smack in at me (taylornate AND gunnerman) and we will stop spamming the thread with off topic posts and end the argument. Deal?

If anyone doesn't understand "trolling" its here http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling I had to look it up having not heard the term before.

 

[GunnerMan]

While it's a great idea and I would love to see it happen I bet it won't. I think there are too many people like you who are all talk and no action, how do you figure your better then me? If they were going to raise tax two dollars per beer (i know its per barrel) I would say this kind of action is necessary, even one dollar would warrant something. But 20 cents really?

Would you really boycott buying beer at a pub to save 20 cents. Take a look at what that's going to do to brewers, employees, restaurants, liquor stores, etc especially if you don't win which in reality IS a possibility. The cost of this tax will be passed to the consumer NOT absorbed by the brewer.

Believe it or not its not all about YOU.

I never said I myself would boycot beer in a pub to save 20 cents(unless there was a larger movement involved), but I would certanly buy less, just because I would reach my nightly budget faster. Like I said in my last post even if I am all talk, talk is better than nothing. If this were in my state I would be all over my representatives phones and emails.

A boycot would hurt a lot of people, a boycot would probably not be the best solution, but again the principle of the idea is very important. I never figured I am better than you, I was just pointing out that you are here saying that you wont make a difference and so you would rather take the bullet without standing up for what you belive in and then go on to tell us that we ourselves are all talk and no action. I am not going to go protest in the streets, or boycot a beer for a 20 cent increase, or dump beer in the streets. I will however adapt my lifestyle(drink less beer bought from stores/pubs), I will write and call my representatives and governor, I will expres my feelings to other peaople, and I wont vote for the people making these taxes.

So no maybe my actions don't look obvious but they are there and they are just about the most effective ways of using your personal powers as a citezen in our government.

I am not trying to be an ass, a troll, or anything, and I see your point of view, I just happen to disagree with it and as far as I see everyone here is being pretty civilized and ive said all I need to say on the matter.

 

[homebrewer_99]

I agree that that would hurt the breweries, brewpubs, restaurants, etc. that sold the beer.

Don't really care to comment further, except to say...I feel for you, Oregon.

That is EXACTLY my point...when consumers REFUSE to pay the added charge THEN AND ONLY THEN will businesses (who have more clout) will fight city hall for THEIR survival...and the state gov't will see that tax didn't work.

The REAL problem is they all think we are an unlimited source of funding. It's their OVERSPENDING that got us into trouble. They have to be reined in.

When someone says it's ONLY 20 cents...well, chances are that 20 cents will produce dolars for business...the division is never equal to the tax...they will definitely take more to insure they get that 20 cents...the rest is gravy.

When Germany went to the Euro businesses "converted" pricing on EVERYTHING...people started complaining that products were overpriced...it took at least 6 months for them to drop prices...that's 6 months or pure profit...

 

[Aspera]

Cite your sources.

+1. It is easy to say something is true. Proving it can be challenging.

 

[Beernip]

Not sure if this has been reported but looks like HB 2461 is dead in it's current form. New proposal is only slightly less evil.
Beervana, the Blog: The 2009 Beer Tax: Daid

 

[justinh85]

I would laugh about this if it wasn't so dire. The govt always thinks they can just raise taxes to gain revenue while telling us to do with less....why don't they take their own advice? Think about it like this...

10 guys go to a bar. They decide to use the graduating scale of taxation to split the tab. The first 4 guys pay nothing (they are the most poor/lacking in funds...if you will.) The next guy pays 2 bucks. The sixth and seventh guy pay 4 bucks. The eighth and ninth guy pay 20 bucks a piece. The tenth guy pays 30 bucks for a total tab of 80 bucks.

Now, the bartender aka govt, tells them that since they are such loyal customers...he will drop the tab 20 bucks down to 60 ala tax breaks. Now they all have to decide how to split the deduction. Since the last guy paid the most, it's obvious he should reap the largest percentage of the break, so on and so forth down the line.

Now, the other fellows seeing this get mad. Guy #10 got the largest amount of money back! It's unfair! I want my fair portion, too! This goes on until you reach the last 4 people...the most poor.

"We didn't get anything back! The system only rewards the rich!!!" So now the bartender, to settle the peace, gives them a chunk of something that they paid nothing in to, to begin with.

The next day, guys 1 through 9 see guy 10. Since they are mad, they beat him up. Well, the next night for drinks, guy 10 doesn't show up. Lo and behold, guys 1-9 don't have enough money to cover even 75% of the tab.

This is what happens when you raise taxes. Those that cannot, suffer. Those that can, move. Eventually, the govt will run out of people to rob.

 

[justinh85]

That is EXACTLY my point...when consumers REFUSE to pay the added charge THEN AND ONLY THEN will businesses (who have more clout) will fight city hall for THEIR survival...and the state gov't will see that tax didn't work.

The REAL problem is they all think we are an unlimited source of funding. It's their OVERSPENDING that got us into trouble. They have to be reined in.

When someone says it's ONLY 20 cents...well, chances are that 20 cents will produce dolars for business...the division is never equal to the tax...they will definitely take more to insure they get that 20 cents...the rest is gravy.

When Germany went to the Euro businesses "converted" pricing on EVERYTHING...people started complaining that products were overpriced...it took at least 6 months for them to drop prices...that's 6 months or pure profit...

You also have to remember, businesses don't pay business taxes. Consumers do. The job of a business is to be profitable. In order to maintain profitability, they pass the tax onto consumers ala higher prices for goods and services. Thus, consumers who have witnessed stagnant wages, higher inflation, higher interest rates, and raised prices have to cut back spending. When they do this, business suffers as they no longer sell goods and services at the rate at which they previously did. Then lay-offs occur to save cost. More people out of work. Less people have disposable income to pay higher costing goods and services, thus even more people laid off to save money. So on and so forth til we fail. God save us all.