Official Lambic.Info thread

[Pneill3161]

New Lamvinous date

 

[SeaWatchman]

New Lamvinous date

Added. Also going through and adding some stuff from Evan1212.

 

[duketheredeemer]

With the help of some of our friends outside the project, Lambic.info proudly presents its bibliography, as a list of primary sources presented entirely in PDF form that are of interest to the history, culture, and scientific study of lambic. The bibliography is presented in one location to further the Lambic.info initiative of improving public awareness and education about lambic. These documents span three centuries and as many languages, each of which is indicated for every document. Most are directly related to lambic, though a handful are about beer in general, but are on a topic that is particularly interesting to lambic.

The bibliography is a living document and we'll continue to add to this collection as more sources become available. We welcome any additions and suggestions.

https://www.lambic.info/Bibliography

 

[LukeAleTime]

With the help of some of our friends outside the project, Lambic.info proudly presents its bibliography, as a list of primary sources presented entirely in PDF form that are of interest to the history, culture, and scientific study of lambic. The bibliography is presented in one location to further the Lambic.info initiative of improving public awareness and education about lambic. These documents span three centuries and as many languages, each of which is indicated for every document. Most are directly related to lambic, though a handful are about beer in general, but are on a topic that is particularly interesting to lambic.

The bibliography is a living document and we'll continue to add to this collection as more sources become available. We welcome any additions and suggestions.

https://www.lambic.info/Bibliography

(Edit) I should add, this is incredible

 

[mrk_d]

Does the submission page work? I added some pictures of a few h.ertie blends not on the site a while ago, and they're not up. Not sure if you guys have a huge queue to work through, or whether the pics didn't go through?

 

[quirkzoo1]

One question I would love to know more about is Filtration, particularly at Cantillon.

I have seen the video of them making the cellulose filter and noticed that you mention filtration in the brewing process at their Lambic.info page but I was wondering what purpose it serves. Usually we think of filtering as taking out the yeast, bacteria and other particulate, but at the same time with a beer like Cantillon obviously some of that comes through the filtration as the beers definitely continue to evolve in the bottle. Do you (or do they even know) what is being filtered out? Do they filter all their beers or just some?

 

[Thorpe]

One question I would love to know more about is Filtration, particularly at Cantillon.

I have seen the video of them making the cellulose filter and noticed that you mention filtration in the brewing process at their Lambic.info page but I was wondering what purpose it serves. Usually we think of filtering as taking out the yeast, bacteria and other particulate, but at the same time with a beer like Cantillon obviously some of that comes through the filtration as the beers definitely continue to evolve in the bottle. Do you (or do they even know) what is being filtered out? Do they filter all their beers or just some?

I know that they use filtration to remove the larger pieces of fruit from the fruit lambics, but it's certainly a very rough filter since I've seen bits of cherry skins in the kriek before. I would doubt that there's any filtration of gueuze and unblended lambic, but don't have direct knowledge of that.

 

[Snarf1]

Sorry for the potato cam pic, but here is (I think) gueuze being filtered when I was there in June. There are 4 sight glasses in the pic. The one on the L is the unfiltered beer, the two in the middle are during the filtration, and on the R is the filtered beer. I'm assuming draining the barrels stirs up quite a bit of turbidity and that all the beers are filtered so the bottles end up clear.

 

[Sage1]

With the help of some of our friends outside the project, Lambic.info proudly presents its bibliography, as a list of primary sources presented entirely in PDF form that are of interest to the history, culture, and scientific study of lambic. The bibliography is presented in one location to further the Lambic.info initiative of improving public awareness and education about lambic. These documents span three centuries and as many languages, each of which is indicated for every document. Most are directly related to lambic, though a handful are about beer in general, but are on a topic that is particularly interesting to lambic.

The bibliography is a living document and we'll continue to add to this collection as more sources become available. We welcome any additions and suggestions.

https://www.lambic.info/Bibliography

OMG <3 <3 <3

 

[stupac2]

Another question inspired by Untappd, lately I've been seeing a ton of duplicates of Scarenbecca Kriek, did they change their label? For instance, someone just made Oude Schaarbeekse Kriek with this description:

Oude Kriek produced with handpicked Schaarbeekse krieks (sour cherries). Oude lambiek is added right before botteling, which makes this beer different from the "Scarenbecca Kriek".

Here's the label:

Leaving aside that adding old lambic right before bottling doesn't really make sense (I mean, I guess they could do it though I don't see why they would), I see no real evidence that this is anything but a new name for an old beer. Any info?

 

[SeaWatchman]

Does the submission page work? I added some pictures of a few h.ertie blends not on the site a while ago, and they're not up. Not sure if you guys have a huge queue to work through, or whether the pics didn't go through?

Our submission page is admittedly not that great and I rarely remember to check it. Forgetfu and I are trying to come up with a better, more efficient way but you can always just send the info directly to us as well.

One question I would love to know more about is Filtration, particularly at Cantillon.

I have seen the video of them making the cellulose filter and noticed that you mention filtration in the brewing process at their Lambic.info page but I was wondering what purpose it serves. Usually we think of filtering as taking out the yeast, bacteria and other particulate, but at the same time with a beer like Cantillon obviously some of that comes through the filtration as the beers definitely continue to evolve in the bottle. Do you (or do they even know) what is being filtered out? Do they filter all their beers or just some?

Sorry for the potato cam pic, but here is (I think) gueuze being filtered when I was there in June. There are 4 sight glasses in the pic. The one on the L is the unfiltered beer, the two in the middle are during the filtration, and on the R is the filtered beer. I'm assuming draining the barrels stirs up quite a bit of turbidity and that all the beers are filtered so the bottles end up clear.

Re: Filtration. Unfruited/unblended lambic comes directly from the barrel to the stainless blending tank. It's then sent through the cellulose filter to get rid of any heavy particulates and then onto the bottling tank. The cellulose filter is made from a water/cellulose solution that is pumped from a small tank into the filter press. This removes the water and you are left with big cellulose filter disks the beer is pumped through into the bottling tank. Fruit beer is the same except there is a stainless filter on the outlet of the fruiting tank to get rid of the bigger chunks of fruit.

Another question inspired by Untappd, lately I've been seeing a ton of duplicates of Scarenbecca Kriek, did they change their label? For instance, someone just made Oude Schaarbeekse Kriek with this description:



Here's the label:

Leaving aside that adding old lambic right before bottling doesn't really make sense (I mean, I guess they could do it though I don't see why they would), I see no real evidence that this is anything but a new name for an old beer. Any info?

Haven't been able to figure this one out one way or another. The whole adding old lambic thing comes from someone on Ratebeer supposedly confirming that. The "handgeplukte" (hand picked) Schaerbeekse label is new and was introduced during TdG. It's also the first time it has appeared in 75cl bottles.

 

[suprchunk1]

Leaving aside that adding old lambic right before bottling doesn't really make sense (I mean, I guess they could do it though I don't see why they would), I see no real evidence that this is anything but a new name for an old beer. Any info?

I believe they are the same. Both state that they are aged in oak barrels and refermented in the bottle. One label is easier to get stateside, the other is easier to get continental-side. At least IME.

 

[SeaWatchman]

I believe they are the same. Both state that they are aged in oak barrels and refermented in the bottle. One label is easier to get stateside, the other is easier to get continental-side. At least IME.

I mean... most lambic labels say aged in oak barrels and refermented in the bottle. And this is definitely the first time this label has ever been used in Europe whereas it used to be the older label we see here, and I haven't found a TTB approval for this one yet. I'm not saying it's not a different beer, but it could be. Just no confirmation one way or the other yet.

 

[suprchunk1]

I mean... most lambic labels say aged in oak barrels and refermented in the bottle. And this is definitely the first time this label has ever been used in Europe whereas it used to be the older label we see here, and I haven't found a TTB approval for this one yet. I'm not saying it's not a different beer, but it could be. Just no confirmation one way or the other yet.

They could be, but the wording has me believing they are the same. The older label stated wild Schaerbeek cherries. The newer one just says cherries. I'm leaning towards the lack of Schaerbeek cherries calling for the change in labeling. Has anyone contacted Hanssen's? They are quite a friendly couple. I'm sure they might be able to shed some light on this. Just maybe.

 

[suprchunk1]

I just asked, I'll let you know if they answer, and with what. That is, if they are looking at their FB page.

 

[beerman2]

Is there any info on identifying the old label-less bottles that just had paint on them? I remember seeing bottles that were claimed to be from the 60s or 70s, but they were just big heavy ~800ml bottles with degrading corks and some paint.

 

[Pneill3161]

New Iris date - March 25th 2015

So ****** stoked as they finally bottled a birthday beer for me!

 

[SeaWatchman]

New Iris date - March 25th 2015

So ****** stoked as they finally bottled a birthday beer for me!

Size and cork date? I'm assuming 750ml and 2015, but ya know.

 

[Pneill3161]

Size and cork date? I'm assuming 750ml and 2015, but ya know.

Yeah 750 & 2015 cork.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Yeah 750 & 2015 cork.

Added.

 

[harrymel1]

How long is the website going to be down?

 

[SeaWatchman]

How long is the website going to be down?

It's not?

 

[harrymel1]

It's not?

Well, that was the most underwhelming trolling I've done in quite some time.

Well played.

 

[SeaWatchman]

Forgetfu added 50+ new photos from Lindemans and Mort Subite recently from TdG and our trip in June.

 

[Pneill3161]

Coup new loon dates
Classic Geuze feb 9 2015 750 euro
RdG May 20 2015 750 naked lady euro

 

[SeaWatchman]

Coup new loon dates
Classic Geuze feb 9 2015 750 euro
RdG May 20 2015 750 naked lady euro

Thanks! Got them added!

 

[mrk_d]

New GcB bottling for the site - 1999 label, 2002 cork (no bottling date):

 

[JulianB1]

Not to step on SeaWatchman or Forgetfu's toes, but I wanted people here to see this before they are gone:

http://www.lambic.info/Support_Lambic.Info

Lambic.info shirts and tumblers, go get 'em!

 

[caaam]

My roommates are about to be so sick of seeing new glass in the house… zfg

 

[csano]

Not to step on SeaWatchman or Forgetfu's toes, but I wanted people here to see this before they are gone:

http://www.lambic.info/Support_Lambic.Info

Lambic.info shirts and tumblers, go get 'em!

"...further the project's research oriented goals..."

Ah yes. The "fund our site so we can take free trips to Belgium" trick. Learned from the best, huh?

LYMI.