New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[Dgallo]

So I’m finally set up with chiller and going to brew my first southern beer. What yeast is everyone using now? I mostly used 1318 in the past and some s04. @Dgallo i think a long time ago you were using A24, would you recommend that or try something newer? I have access to imperial and omega.

I still really like dryhop a lot. It’s probably my favorite yeast for the style.

Recently I been running Imperial Juice (their 1318) on multiple generations to see if there is any extra benefit to future generations.

 

[braindead]

If anyone is interested
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That recipe must be wrong.
can't see Fidens dry hopping at 12g/L

 

[MugsWorth]

Off topic but I remember awhile back guys were using Spelt in they're NEIPAs. I tried to find some locally, big bucks though and not easly available. So my local maltster in my town suggested Emmer. He said it's an ancient Wheat type grain, ancestor to Spelt. Said very similar, good head retention, mouthfeel, smoothness,etc.
I even got some with a 30L caramel rating. If it's good maybe I can drop my Honey Malt.
New to this style , but having 2 maltsters in town should help.
Cheers

 

[jturman35]

I just used spelt for the first time and really stoked with the results. Pretty sure this is the best NEIPA out of a dozen or so i have brewed. I have used a touch of honey malt in the past but i think this is my new grain bill going forward with this style. I would post a picture but it's raining here.

64% 2 row
23% Spelt
13% malted oats

 

[murphyslaw]

Yeah, I was a bit confused why it seemed to be a huge hit and then disappeared from most recipes I saw on here.
I tried it once and really liked it.

 

[Dgallo]

Yeah, I was a bit confused why it seemed to be a huge hit and then disappeared from most recipes I saw on here.
I tried it once and really liked it.

I still use it pretty much every beer. These last few beers that I’ve brewed I’ve been trying to emulate the Fiden’s mouthfeel. I personally don’t believe any of the recipes they have shared recently and believe their pretty much basemalt, oats, and small percentage of character malts for color.

Here’s one they gave to Crosby Hops if anyone is interested in taking a look at this one. Still believe their oats are 3x the amount they list.

 

[TBA]

Dry hopping under pressure: I haven't seen much on that subject. Thoughts?

Wow, the exact question I had this morning! Thanks for asking for me

I have seen recipes listing Nelson hops, is that the same as Nelson Sauvin?

 

[skleice]

When you guys whirlpool at "X" temperature, do you aim to keep the set temp for the entire whirlpool, allow it to fall naturally, or chill down immediately?

 

[murphyslaw]

When you guys whirlpool at "X" temperature, do you aim to keep the set temp for the entire whirlpool, allow it to fall naturally, or chill down immediately?

I aim to keep that temp. But I'm brewing on a grainfather, so its just the temp i set my controller to.

 

[ihavenonickname]

So as this beer continues to condition it’s really getting good. I typically get a really nice mouthfeel and body for my beers but this beer is exceptional. The only difference was I went with a different maltster for my 2row. I used Rahr this time and I truly think it made a difference. I looked up the specs and it seems Rahr has a typically higher protein level in their 2row. If you haven’t tried them yet, give it a shot

Looks and sounds great. Would you give some more details as to what you've been targeting for these lately? Interesting you nailed the mouthfeel this time with just oats.
OG FG?
% adjuncts?
Water?
Hot site and cold side hopping rates?

Thats an interesting article @Dgallo . I read the whole thing. Aside from the weird 12oz of golden promise, I was surprised to see only about ~15% flaked oats on the grain bill and the article also says they only use about ~20% oats. I thought, from my experience having a few of their beers that they were in the 30-40% range. The other surprise to me was the higher mash temp suggested 155F. They expect 80% AA from 1.075-1.015 at that high a mash from LAIII? Nevertheless, I think I might try mashing a little higher to see what it brings. Water profile is a bit weird to me as they say "calcium chloride" to 125ppm. So does this mean BOTH Ca and Cl are 125ppm? I typically am getting about 175Cl to 110 S04 so these pumps are a bit lower. Not sure that would make a big difference but again I could be wrong. If you read the paragraph right before "on their own terms" its also clear they only DH after fermentation is complete and do a soft crash (something I thought only us lowly home brewers did lol).

Again, after the 2-3 beers I've tried from them, the IPAs are incredibly soft, GREAT lasting foam, Hazy, and flavors are eye-popping. So Lots of good stuff here to think about.

I agree the fidens recipe in CB&B seems overly "average" And I get why some of these breweries want to keep their secets...but why would they want to publish inaccurate info? seems too weird so its just perplexing to me. But if I were to make that as a clone I would prbably dry hop more like 10-12 oz.

 

[jturman35]

It took me awhile but finally got around to brewing the best NEIPA I have ever brewed thanks to Dgallo’s recipe! I get mango, sweet fruit and citrus lime for days. The bitterness is exactly what I want for a 8% but yet smooth. This is my first time using Spelt and I like it.

I would take this over 75% of the commercial examples out there. Really stoked about this one!

 

[BeerFst]

Small package incognito is here!!!!!

 

[HopsAreGood]

Small package incognito is here!!!!!

Saw this as well. Will be ordering some tomorrow.

 

[Ulisses4677]

Saw this as well. Will be ordering some tomorrow.

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Hopefully we are fortune anough to get our hands on some.

 

[ihavenonickname]

I hope they throw us a bone on pricing. At the 1kilo price 20 ml would only be 5 bucks or so, that would be sweet. Or what is 20 ml equivalent in t90?

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Curious what y'all are getting from Strata these days. I haven't used it in a good while and typically paired it with Citra and/or I7 but not much else. To confuse myself even more, YVH has an inconsistent message on strata: the picture of the flavor key shows: sweet fruit, berry/currant, and menthol. Their description of the characteristics though are strawberry, passion fruit, grapefruit, bubble gum, sage, and dank. So not sure what "menthol" is meant to be and TBH, I have never had a lot of strata that says "thats strawberry!" either. I have gotten dank/weed/cannibis, passionfruit, grapefruit as my primary flavors/aromas. Typically the dank/weed were more prominent in the aroma not as much in the flavor. I will say that YVH has only 2021 strata available and my personal stash is 2020, so not sure what's changed.

I recently had a beer from local brewery (Hopfly) that reported a strata/nelson combo and the beer was delicious so Im considering doing something like this pairing for my next NEIPA.

So what have ya'll gotten from strata recently? please indicate the year in the response.

 

[beervoid]

Curious what y'all are getting from Strata these days. I haven't used it in a good while and typically paired it with Citra and/or I7 but not much else. To confuse myself even more, YVH has an inconsistent message on strata: the picture of the flavor key shows: sweet fruit, berry/currant, and menthol. Their description of the characteristics though are strawberry, passion fruit, grapefruit, bubble gum, sage, and dank. So not sure what "menthol" is meant to be and TBH, I have never had a lot of strata that says "thats strawberry!" either. I have gotten dank/weed/cannibis, passionfruit, grapefruit as my primary flavors/aromas. Typically the dank/weed were more prominent in the aroma not as much in the flavor. I will say that YVH has only 2021 strata available and my personal stash is 2020, so not sure what's changed.

I recently had a beer from local brewery (Hopfly) that reported a strata/nelson combo and the beer was delicious so Im considering doing something like this pairing for my next NEIPA.

So what have ya'll gotten from strata recently? please indicate the year in the response.

2020 I once had extreme marihuana with tropical fruits in one lot but the rest of the lots where more orange forward with less mj.

 

[BeerFst]

I hope they throw us a bone on pricing. At the 1kilo price 20 ml would only be 5 bucks or so, that would be sweet. Or what is 20 ml equivalent in t90?

They replied on IG that is about 4oz t90. I bet its 8-10 bucks. Lupomax is roughly 5 bucks for 2oz

 

[Ulisses4677]

Anybody now around what time they’ll be releasing it? Sorry I don’t have any social media.

 

[BeerFst]

Anybody now around what time they’ll be releasing it? Sorry I don’t have any social media.

They said “this morning” but it’s not up yet. They did say flash Friday will be started at the same time. That appears to be up as Talus this month

 

[Ulisses4677]

Thanks I’ll be on the look out.

 

[Ulisses4677]

I was able to get citra mosaic. Excited to try it out with phantasm and cosmic punch.

 

[BeerFst]

Wow 15 bucks

 

[wepeeler]

Curious what y'all are getting from Strata these days. I haven't used it in a good while and typically paired it with Citra and/or I7 but not much else. To confuse myself even more, YVH has an inconsistent message on strata: the picture of the flavor key shows: sweet fruit, berry/currant, and menthol. Their description of the characteristics though are strawberry, passion fruit, grapefruit, bubble gum, sage, and dank. So not sure what "menthol" is meant to be and TBH, I have never had a lot of strata that says "thats strawberry!" either. I have gotten dank/weed/cannibis, passionfruit, grapefruit as my primary flavors/aromas. Typically the dank/weed were more prominent in the aroma not as much in the flavor. I will say that YVH has only 2021 strata available and my personal stash is 2020, so not sure what's changed.

I recently had a beer from local brewery (Hopfly) that reported a strata/nelson combo and the beer was delicious so Im considering doing something like this pairing for my next NEIPA.

So what have ya'll gotten from strata recently? please indicate the year in the response.

So I've been digging my all Simcoe neipa lately. Grabbed a can of Industrial Arts experimental series where they used Simcoe Strata, and it got my wheels turning. I'm brewing a Simcoe Strata 50/50 tomorrow. Splitting the batch and using Coastal Haze and 1318. I was getting vanilla and slight strawberry early on with Simcoe, but it mellows slightly to citrus and sticky dankness. Hoping to amplify it using Strata. I've only ever paired Strata with Citra, and it was fine. Nothing mind blowing, but my brewing technique has improved immensely since I last used Strata.

12 gal batch - 6 into each fermenter Coastal Haze/1318
67.7% Rahr 2 Row
19.4% Rahr White Wheat
12.9% Carafoam

2.5oz each Strata Simcoe at 10
5 oz each Strata Simcoe WP at 170 for 25 min
3.5oz each Strata Simcoe DH for 24-48 hours max

Fingers crossed.

 

[Dgallo]

Wow 15 bucks

I was expecting that. The labor involved and repackaging of the 1kg down to 20 ml, they would have to up the cost by about 1.5x what the break down would be

 

[ihavenonickname]

Yeah except this is 3x. Too bad. It's almost cost prohibitive when 4oz of citra cost 4 bucks from them and you only lose 1L or wort... But who am I kidding I'm gonna try it out anyways!

 

[Dgallo]

Yeah except this is 3x. Too bad. It's almost cost prohibitive when 4oz of citra cost 4 bucks from them and you only lose 1L or wort... But who am I kidding I'm gonna try it out anyways!

I should have stated it better. I actually meant 2.5x which it is. It’s right around $6 for the break down from the 1kg. I’ll try it eventually for sure. Same with phantasm but I can’t justify the shipping until I need more hops

 

[aaronm13]

Incognito goes for €12/$12 for 15ml in Europe so $15 for 20ml isn't too bad a price. Used it a few times and it really helps with losses.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

So I've been digging my all Simcoe neipa lately. Grabbed a can of Industrial Arts experimental series where they used Simcoe Strata, and it got my wheels turning. I'm brewing a Simcoe Strata 50/50 tomorrow. Splitting the batch and using Coastal Haze and 1318. I was getting vanilla and slight strawberry early on with Simcoe, but it mellows slightly to citrus and sticky dankness. Hoping to amplify it using Strata. I've only ever paired Strata with Citra, and it was fine. Nothing mind blowing, but my brewing technique has improved immensely since I last used Strata.

12 gal batch - 6 into each fermenter Coastal Haze/1318
67.7% Rahr 2 Row
19.4% Rahr White Wheat
12.9% Carafoam

2.5oz each Strata Simcoe at 10
5 oz each Strata Simcoe WP at 170 for 25 min
3.5oz each Strata Simcoe DH for 24-48 hours max

Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the input. I've primarily done Citra/Strata or Citra/Strata/I7, but looking back in my notes I did do a Strata/Simcoe/Mosaic. It was a dank bomb IIRC. But it ended up smoothing out nicely towards more grape fruitiness but that was a long time ago.

 

[Dgallo]

Just tapped my latest DIPA at 8.1% ABV. Hopped on the hotside with NZ Cascade and Simcoe and then Dryhopped heavily with Simcoe and Mosaic. I’m very impressed with this beer. Has a heavily true “hoppy” character (not bitter) followed with pithy orange, blueberry, mango, and a moderate dankness. I’m really digging the complexity

If you’re local or semi-local to Bennington, VT I will be serving this and a mix berry cheesecake inspired smoothy sour at the Summer Homebrew Festival under the name Bantam_Brews . Tickets are still available at Summer HomeBrew Fest