New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[nebulabrewing]

I kegged ten gallons of 21C on Sunday and pulled a sample last night just to see where the carbonation is (and I was just eager to drink some haha).

This was a split batch between Lutra (pictured) and Verdant yeast. The last couple of brews I made, I was able to get 98% brewhouse efficiency. So for this batch, I wanted to experiment with a 40 minute mash and a really fast sparge to see if I could shorten my brew day slightly just for fun. I managed to get a 72% BE, so I was happy about that!

ABV: 5.8%
IBU's: 55
OG: 1.056
FG: 1.012
Water: CA: 100 Mg: 10 Na: 8 Cl: 139 SO: 93 HC: 16
Mash: 151°F

Grains
40% Golden Promise, 40% Pilsner, 8% Oats, 8% Wheat, 4% Carapils

Hops
Columbus, Rakau, Mosaic, Sabro, Galaxy

Yeast
Lutra (1/ea dry)
Verdant (2/ea dry)

Overall Impression
So far, it's pretty good. My first time using a heavy dose of Rakau in a WP and it's great. Lots of peach, passion fruit, apricot — with a side of plum/mango. Pretty happy with the results.

 

[wepeeler]

Just got some hops in the mail that I've never used before. Got a pound each of Cashmere and Strata. Was planning an all Simcoe neipa, because the last one I made was my favorite to date, but does anyone have suggestions for incorporating Cashmere or Strata into the hop bill? On hand I have Citra, Mosaic, Strata, Cashmere, Amarillo, Idaho Gem...

10# Mecca Lamonta
3# Mecca Shaniko
2# Carafoam

Coastal Haze

 

[murphyslaw]

The last couple of brews I made, I was able to get 98% brewhouse efficiency.

Is that a typo?

 

[nebulabrewing]

Is that a typo?

It is not. It was my Festbier I brewed before this one. My imperial stout that I brewerd before the Festbier was 86%. With good PH, water chemistry, grain crush, and sparging techniques it's not impossible. I use a eHERMS set up.

 

[Benson Brewhouse]

How can you have over 100% mash efficiency?

 

[ihavenonickname]

How can you have over 100% mash efficiency?

You can’t. It’s impossible. There has to be some measurement error. Usually it’s a volume error. To achieve 100% mash efficiency you would have to sparge till runnings are 1.000 or centrifuge the mash grains to reduce grain absorption to 0.0 (get every drop) and then to approach 100% brewhouse efficiency you would have to do the same to any trub and all the hop additions to reduce your kettle losses to 0.0. OR you could dump your whole kettle of trub and hops and all into your fermenter and expect your friends to drink every last drop of trub and dead yeast till their farts stink. THATS 100% BHE.

Edit: so 98% BHE means you have to do that to all but 12 oz of it in a 5g batch.

 

[ihavenonickname]

(Duplicate post)

 

[nebulabrewing]

There has to be some measurement error. Usually it’s a volume error. To achieve 100% mash efficiency you would have to sparge till runnings are 1.000 or centrifuge the mash grains to reduce grain absorption to 0.0 (get every drop) and then to approach 100% brewhouse efficiency you would have to do the same to any trub and all the hop additions to reduce your kettle losses to 0.0. OR you could dump your whole kettle of trub and hops and all into your fermenter and expect your friends to drink every last drop of trub and dead yeast till their farts stink. THATS 100% BHE.

Edit: so 98% BHE means you have to do that to all but 12 oz of it in a 5g batch.

I did have an error on that day.

The original recipe has my correct volumes with a 74% BE because I typically use that as a baseline to create my recipes. The second picture is the actual brew day batch with corrections of the brew day.

This is where the error happened. While I was sparging, I realized I was looking at the “total water needed” for the recipe and collected more wort than I wanted. So, instead of collecting my usual 13.5g, I collected 15.5. But, even though I collected more volume my OG was still significantly higher.

 

[Dgallo]

I did have an error on that day.

The original recipe has my correct volumes with a 74% BE because I typically use that as a baseline to create my recipes. The second picture is the actual brew day batch with corrections of the brew day.

This is where the error happened. While I was sparging, I realized I was looking at the “total water needed” for the recipe and collected more wort than I wanted. So, instead of collecting my usual 13.5g, I collected 15.5. But, even though I collected more volume my OG was still significantly higher.

What was the total lb of your grain bill. I’m also confused by your numbers. Shows your mash efficiency above 100% in the second picture

 

[nebulabrewing]

What was the total lb of your grain bill. I’m also confused by your numbers. Shows your mash efficiency above 100% in the second picture

It says on the screenshot—24# 5oz

 

[Dgallo]

It says on the screenshot—24# 5oz

Are my inputs correct? Because I’m getting 109% efficiency. Granted I’m half reading right now if you mentioned anything different in the post verses pictures, as I’m trying to finish up tubby and bed time with the kids lol

 

[nebulabrewing]

Are my inputs correct? Because I’m getting 111% efficiency. Granted I’m half reading right now if you mentioned anything different in the post verses pictures, as I’m trying to finish up tubby and bed time with the kids lolView attachment 772842

All good man! I remember those days fondly. My daughter is nine now and I hardly see her anymore.

Yep that is correct. My OG was 1.063, not preboil.

 

[Dgallo]

All good man! I remember those days fondly. My daughter is nine now and I hardly see her anymore.

Yep that is correct. My OG was 1.063, not preboil.

Yeah man it’s a wild but beautiful ride!

Thanks for catching that. What was your pb? It’s awesome you got such high efficiency. My best days are like 79-80! Even the commercial system I got to help brew one of my recipes on maxed out at 94-95%. If love to hit 98 lol

 

[nebulabrewing]

Yeah man it’s a wild but beautiful ride!

Thanks for catching that. What was your pb? It’s awesome you got such high efficiency. My best days are like 79-80! Even the commercial system I got to help brew one of my recipes on maxed out at 94-95%. If love to hit 98 lol

It really is!

I checked my notes, but I didn't take a PB it looks like, just the OG. Outside of me realizing I was collecting too much wort, it was a pretty perfect brew day. I'll probably never do it again haha. I upgraded my system to 20g kettles/10g batches at the end of last year, so I'm still learning the system in a way. One thing that's definitely helped was closing the gap on my mill a bit, and working on mash/sparge recirculation speeds. Even with a rushed mash/sparge on the last beer, I was able to pull 72%.

Commercial sounds fun! What did you end up brewing?

 

[Ren06]

I kegged ten gallons of 21C on Sunday and pulled a sample last night just to see where the carbonation is (and I was just eager to drink some haha).

This was a split batch between Lutra (pictured) and Verdant yeast. The last couple of brews I made, I was able to get 98% brewhouse efficiency. So for this batch, I wanted to experiment with a 40 minute mash and a really fast sparge to see if I could shorten my brew day slightly just for fun. I managed to get a 72% BE, so I was happy about that!

ABV: 5.8%
IBU's: 55
OG: 1.056
FG: 1.012
Water: CA: 100 Mg: 10 Na: 8 Cl: 139 SO: 93 HC: 16
Mash: 151°F

Grains
40% Golden Promise, 40% Pilsner, 8% Oats, 8% Wheat, 4% Carapils

Hops
Columbus, Rakau, Mosaic, Sabro, Galaxy

Yeast
Lutra (1/ea dry)
Verdant (2/ea dry)

Overall Impression
So far, it's pretty good. My first time using a heavy dose of Rakau in a WP and it's great. Lots of peach, passion fruit, apricot — with a side of plum/mango. Pretty happy with the results.


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Did you dry hop this post or active fermentation?

 

[nebulabrewing]

Did you dry hop this post or active fermentation?

Good question. Post fermentation when FG was reached. I have two SS brew buckets and only one of them can fit inside of my ferm chamber right now. Lutra was DH for roughly four days. The Verdant batch was dropped to a temperature of 55F, and I DH for two days.

 

[Ren06]

Good question. Post fermentation when FG was reached. I have two SS brew buckets and only one of them can fit inside of my ferm chamber right now. Lutra was DH for roughly four days. The Verdant batch was dropped to a temperature of 55F, and I DH for two days.

That looks absolutely delicious! I’m fermenting one right now and once it hits FG I’ll dry hop with 3oz of Eukanot hops

 

[beervoid]

I kegged ten gallons of 21C on Sunday and pulled a sample last night just to see where the carbonation is (and I was just eager to drink some haha).

This was a split batch between Lutra (pictured) and Verdant yeast. The last couple of brews I made, I was able to get 98% brewhouse efficiency. So for this batch, I wanted to experiment with a 40 minute mash and a really fast sparge to see if I could shorten my brew day slightly just for fun. I managed to get a 72% BE, so I was happy about that!

ABV: 5.8%
IBU's: 55
OG: 1.056
FG: 1.012
Water: CA: 100 Mg: 10 Na: 8 Cl: 139 SO: 93 HC: 16
Mash: 151°F

Grains
40% Golden Promise, 40% Pilsner, 8% Oats, 8% Wheat, 4% Carapils

Hops
Columbus, Rakau, Mosaic, Sabro, Galaxy

Yeast
Lutra (1/ea dry)
Verdant (2/ea dry)

Overall Impression
So far, it's pretty good. My first time using a heavy dose of Rakau in a WP and it's great. Lots of peach, passion fruit, apricot — with a side of plum/mango. Pretty happy with the results.


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Making your mash time shorter will mostly influence fermentability of the worth not efficienct

 

[nebulabrewing]

That looks absolutely delicious! I’m fermenting one right now and once it hits FG I’ll dry hop with 3oz of Eukanot hops

Thanks man! So far it's pretty tasty. Gonna give em a few more weeks to condition (if I stop pulling 'samples').
A friend gave me some of his unused Eukanot and I used it in a DH. From what I remember, it was a nice addition.

 

[nebulabrewing]

For those that care about my BE, I checked my notes again over lunch today. I did make an error! I mixed up the OG of the previous batch. So instead of 1.063 (which I initially wrote down and is wrong), the correct OG was 1.060. I’ll still take the 94%. I done goofed.

 

[secretlevel]

I kegged ten gallons of 21C on Sunday and pulled a sample last night just to see where the carbonation is (and I was just eager to drink some haha).

This was a split batch between Lutra (pictured) and Verdant yeast. The last couple of brews I made, I was able to get 98% brewhouse efficiency. So for this batch, I wanted to experiment with a 40 minute mash and a really fast sparge to see if I could shorten my brew day slightly just for fun. I managed to get a 72% BE, so I was happy about that!

ABV: 5.8%
IBU's: 55
OG: 1.056
FG: 1.012
Water: CA: 100 Mg: 10 Na: 8 Cl: 139 SO: 93 HC: 16
Mash: 151°F

Grains
40% Golden Promise, 40% Pilsner, 8% Oats, 8% Wheat, 4% Carapils

Hops
Columbus, Rakau, Mosaic, Sabro, Galaxy

Yeast
Lutra (1/ea dry)
Verdant (2/ea dry)

Overall Impression
So far, it's pretty good. My first time using a heavy dose of Rakau in a WP and it's great. Lots of peach, passion fruit, apricot — with a side of plum/mango. Pretty happy with the results.


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Looks awesome! I'm curious about your experiment with the yeasts, it's one of my favorite things to mess around with. Did Lutra also finish at 1.012FG? Seems kind of high for that yeast.

Verdant is pretty close to LA3, so I assume that character is pretty standard for NEIPA, maybe a little peachier than LA3, but how's Lutra in a NEIPA? I imagine it'd make a beer similar to King Sue or something (for those that haven't had it, it's basically a Citra DDH double NEIPA made with US-05).

 

[Noob_Brewer]

'Beer Porn Alert!' lol. Picture from earlier in the day/early evening. This single hopped Nectaron is great! about a week and a half since kegging. Still getting a tiny bit of the NZ 'Spice' on the front end and then some mild white wine followed by a good bit of stone fruit on the back end. Im finally getting the description they've praised this hop for: peach! Had a friend over tonight for a taste, he helps me out on brew days from time to time and I appreciate his palate and truthfulness overall. He mentioned peach, but not sweet sugary peach. More like a little more tart peach with skin vibe. Overall I think this hop is pretty multi-dimensional. Loving this overall. one of my fav single hopped beers to date. Unrelated to the hop itself, also happy with getting some of the best foam retention Ive ever had. Foam lasted almost like a little "lump" to the very last drop with great lacing down the sides of the glass the whole way. Pictured is my semi-slow pour to get a good head lol. Still working on that slow pour patience . Over the past 2 years I've become a firm believer that the foam helps to let the beer 'breathe' its aroma and flavor vs poor foam/head.

 

[Dgallo]

'Beer Porn Alert!' lol. Picture from earlier in the day/early evening. This single hopped Nectaron is great! about a week and a half since kegging. Still getting a tiny bit of the NZ 'Spice' on the front end and then some mild white wine followed by a good bit of stone fruit on the back end. Im finally getting the description they've praised this hop for: peach! Had a friend over tonight for a taste, he helps me out on brew days from time to time and I appreciate his palate and truthfulness overall. He mentioned peach, but not sweet sugary peach. More like a little more tart peach with skin vibe. Overall I think this hop is pretty multi-dimensional. Loving this overall. one of my fav single hopped beers to date. Unrelated to the hop itself, also happy with getting some of the best foam retention Ive ever had. Foam lasted almost like a little "lump" to the very last drop with great lacing down the sides of the glass the whole way. Pictured is my semi-slow pour to get a good head lol. Still working on that slow pour patience . Over the past 2 years I've become a firm believer that the foam helps to let the beer 'breathe' its aroma and flavor vs poor foam/head.

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Beautiful. I’m big on foam myself!

 

[jturman35]

I am going to try raising the sodium level into the 70’s as well. Doing this using canning salt causes my PH to raise into the upper 5.5 range. Any issues with latic acid I order to lower the ph in this style? What PH are you guys shorting for?

 

[Dgallo]

I am going to try raising the sodium level into the 70’s as well. Doing this using canning salt causes my PH to raise into the upper 5.5 range. Any issues with latic acid I order to lower the ph in this style? What PH are you guys shorting for?

I use 88% lactic. I need t use a decent amount due to my tap being high in bicarbonate and never can detect the flavor of the lactic

 

[nebulabrewing]

Looks awesome! I'm curious about your experiment with the yeasts, it's one of my favorite things to mess around with. Did Lutra also finish at 1.012FG? Seems kind of high for that yeast.

Verdant is pretty close to LA3, so I assume that character is pretty standard for NEIPA, maybe a little peachier than LA3, but how's Lutra in a NEIPA? I imagine it'd make a beer similar to King Sue or something (for those that haven't had it, it's basically a Citra DDH double NEIPA made with US-05).

Thanks man!

Both finished at 1.012.

My usual go-to is 1318, but my LHBS Carrie’s Verdant so it’s easy to get. Both beers are delicious, but I like the verdant version better. It’s well-rounded and the peach/apricot the yeast gives off is really nice. Lutra version is missing that. I can only temp control one of my FV, so I use lutra as a way to ferment in my hot FL garage.

Overall, it’s delicious!

 

[wepeeler]

Mosaic T-90 $12/lb Flash sale at Yakima Valley

 

[CascadesBrewer]

Mosaic T-90 $12/lb Flash sale at Yakima Valley

Combined with some solid prices in the anti-inflation sale that is still going...better eat up that ice cream to make more room in the freezer!!
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/collections/anti-inflation-sale

 

[Spundit]

Combined with some solid prices in the anti-inflation sale that is still going...better eat up that ice cream to make more room in the freezer!!
https://yakimavalleyhops.com/collections/anti-inflation-sale

For sure. The shipping sweet spot appears to be multiples of 4lbs. For me it's

1 - 4lbs - 10.95
4 - 8lbs - 15.50
Etc...

 

[Ren06]

Thanks man! So far it's pretty tasty. Gonna give em a few more weeks to condition (if I stop pulling 'samples').
A friend gave me some of his unused Eukanot and I used it in a DH. From what I remember, it was a nice addition.

As of right now just DDH today 7/1/2022 I’ll take hops out on 7/4/2022 and the taste notes are giving my OH vibes. Stonefruit, citrus, a nice bitterness with some grassy notes and tropical fruit bites and a 6.1% ABV