New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[bailey mountain brewer]

Congrats on the win. What ratio did you go with the hops? I've got some 2024 Nectaron that I want to try out.

2:1 nectaron:citra in the wp
2:1:1 nectaron:superdelic:citra for the dh

Next batch I wanna throw some strata at it and see how that goes.

 

[Dgallo]

Thanks brother, sounds like I get to brew it with a pro, the co- owner and head brewer of mad chef in Lancaster PA selected us to brew it with him. Excited for that to happen, I'll update that as I get details on it.

Nice man. Idk if you’ve ever had an opportunity like that before but it’s a blast man. And as a homebrewer, it’s big bragging rights IMO.

Congrats again

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

Nice man. Idk if you’ve ever had an opportunity like that before but it’s a blast man. And as a homebrewer, it’s big bragging rights IMO.

Congrats again

This will be my first, I'm pretty freaking stoked.

 

[aaronm13]

2:1 nectaron:citra in the wp
2:1:1 nectaron:superdelic:citra for the dh

Next batch I wanna throw some strata at it and see how that goes.

Thanks. Did you find Nectaron totally dominated in those ratios? I did a 1:1 Citra Nectaron a few years ago and Nectaron was all that came through. Still a good beer but the citra was AWOL.

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

Thanks. Did you find Nectaron totally dominated in those ratios? I did a 1:1 Citra Nectaron a few years ago and Nectaron was all that came through. Still a good beer but the citra was AWOL.

I still got the citra, this was an all t90 batch, no lupomax or cryo or hop substitute or whatever.. I mean nectaron ran the show but citra and superdelic were both present. I think it all paired well, I was worried I overdid the nectaron, when I tasted my gravity sample that was all I got and it was a bit much then once kegged and carbed and about a week of getting to it's happy place everything came together.

Edit: I typically do it the other way around, 2:1 citra:nectaron but for this batch I wanted to really bring the nectaron to the front and see what happens, also, I had more nectaron and it was kinda one of those... I'll use what I got in the freezer beers, I just threw in the superdelic cause I needed to hit my oz to gallon ratio for my dry hop and that's what I had left.

 

[Fergal]

Congrats on the win - it looks great. I'm currently crashing my beer dry hopped with citra, nectaron, Nelson & superdelic. 2, 1.5, 1, 0.5 ratios. I was due to use riwaka instead of the nelson/superdelic but it was pretty garlic/onion smelling. How good is Superdelic?!

 

[secretlevel]

@couchsending is this you?! It's so exciting to keep watching your successes on the national stage. You've always been super knowledgeable and helpful, it's well deserved.
https://beerandbrewing.com/podcast-episode-403-conor-brown-of-offset-bier/

 

[couchsending]

@couchsending is this you?! It's so exciting to keep watching your successes on the national stage. You've always been super knowledgeable and helpful, it's well deserved.
https://beerandbrewing.com/podcast-episode-403-conor-brown-of-offset-bier/

Yup it is

Appreciate the kind words

 

[Ulisses4677]

Yup it is

Appreciate the kind words

Lie pas lol

 

[hopfenstopfen]

@couchsending is this you?! It's so exciting to keep watching your successes on the national stage. You've always been super knowledgeable and helpful, it's well deserved.
https://beerandbrewing.com/podcast-episode-403-conor-brown-of-offset-bier/

You beat me to it @secretlevel! Listened on my morning walk today.

Well done @couchsending was a good listen!!! I’m interested in brewing low
abv hoppy beers come summer, plan to trial many of your Lipa techniques.

 

[mrcastellino]

Yup it is

Appreciate the kind words

Ill be at the Firestone Beerfest Invitational …looking forward to trying your beers there!!

 

[BongoYodeler]

Ill be at the Firestone Beerfest Invitational …looking forward to trying your beers there!!

Have fun!! I'd love to attend, but unfortunately this year's nearly $200 admission price has priced me right out even considering it.

However, our homebrew club will be pouring our brews at the CCCBF on the 22nd of this month, alongside 50-ish commercial California breweries. Always a blast.

https://www.centralcoastbrewersguild.com/beerfest

 

[couchsending]

Ill be at the Firestone Beerfest Invitational …looking forward to trying your beers there!!

Awesome. I’ll be there pouring them so please say hello.

 

[secretlevel]

You beat me to it @secretlevel! Listened on my morning walk today.

Well done @couchsending was a good listen!!! I’m interested in brewing low
abv hoppy beers come summer, plan to trial many of your Lipa techniques.

Same! I suddenly have the urge to make a 5-6% hazy haha

 

[Fergal]

Same! I suddenly have the urge to make a 5-6% hazy haha

I honestly prefer the style at this strength. Here in Australia sessionable beers are big, maybe its the weather or a hangover from macro lagers but the ddh pale ale around 5.5% is the sweet spot in my opinion. I find it harder to brew than at the 7% mark. Dry, citrussy and less chloride is my personal fave.

 

[aaronm13]

I still got the citra, this was an all t90 batch, no lupomax or cryo or hop substitute or whatever.. I mean nectaron ran the show but citra and superdelic were both present. I think it all paired well, I was worried I overdid the nectaron, when I tasted my gravity sample that was all I got and it was a bit much then once kegged and carbed and about a week of getting to it's happy place everything came together.

Edit: I typically do it the other way around, 2:1 citra:nectaron but for this batch I wanted to really bring the nectaron to the front and see what happens, also, I had more nectaron and it was kinda one of those... I'll use what I got in the freezer beers, I just threw in the superdelic cause I needed to hit my oz to gallon ratio for my dry hop and that's what I had left.

I must give this a try as I've a good bit of Nectaron to use.

 

[Dgallo]

I must give this a try as I've a good bit of Nectaron to use.

Do a nz Pilsner if you have a lot on nectaron. A bright, dry/crisp finish is great with southern hem hops

 

[aaronm13]

Do a nz Pilsner if you have a lot on nectaron. A bright, dry/crisp finish is great with southern hem hops

I'm not a Pilsner fan at all but would probably work pretty well in a more modern west coast IPA. Must try and plan one for the summer. Just brewed an old school west coast DIPA last weekend so looking forward to trying it in a couple of weeks.

 

[Dgallo]

I'm not a Pilsner fan at all but would probably work pretty well in a more modern west coast IPA. Must try and plan one for the summer. Just brewed an old school west coast DIPA last weekend so looking forward to trying it in a couple of weeks.

Have you tried a nz Pilsner. You most likely don’t like pilsners due to Saaz hops, a nz Pilsner is pretty much a modern west coast IPA but with New Zealand hops

 

[aaronm13]

Have you tried a nz Pilsner. You most likely don’t like pilsners due to Saaz hops, a nz Pilsner is pretty much a modern west coast IPA but with New Zealand hops

I pretty sure I haven't. Its not really a style you see commercially available here. Is it basically a west coast brewed with a lager yeast?

 

[Dgallo]

I pretty sure I haven't. It’s not really a style you see commercially available here. Is it basically a west coast brewed with a lager yeast?

Exactly but a modern west coast ipa will have a higher dryhoping rate and abv(doesn’t need to be a higher abv but they will tend too)

Here is a base plan for a NZ pils
-100% Pilsner malt (maybe a small % of character malt)
-using 34/70 or similar lager yeas
-OG 1.060ish FG 1.012ish
-40-50 IBUS
-0.5oz/gallon whirlpool
-0.5-1oz/gallon dryhop

 

[aaronm13]

Exactly but a modern west coast ipa will have a higher dryhoping rate and abv(doesn’t need to be a higher abv but they will tend too)

Here is a base plan for a NZ pils
-100% Pilsner malt (maybe a small % of character malt)
-using 34/70 or similar lager yeas
-OG 1.060ish FG 1.012ish
-40-50 IBUS
-0.5oz/gallon whirlpool
-0.5-1oz/gallon dryhop

Cheers for the recipe. I'll run it through Beersmith and see what I come up with.

 

[anteater8]

Wow, my first hazy IPA in just over a year!

Citra/Mosaic/Strata Hazy

6.25 lb 2 row
6.25 lb pils
3 lb flaked oats
0.75 lb wheat
0.25 lb honey malt

0.25 oz Warrior 30 min
2 oz Citra Lupomax whirlpool
2 oz Mosaic whirlpool
2 oz Strata whirlpool
4 oz Citra dry hop
2 oz Mosaic dry hop
2 oz Mosaic Lupomax dry hop
4 oz Strata dry hop

Yeast nutrient 10 min

Imperial Juice Gen 1

75:150 sulfate:chloride

Mash temp = 154°
Mash pH = 5.4

Fermented at 64° up to 70° over the first four days

O.G. = 1.068
F.G. = 1.013
ABV = 7.2%

Notes: Very happy with the pale yellow hazy appearance. Aroma is strong dried mango, lychee, medium pineapple, slight pine and stone fruit. Flavor is strong mango, papaya, medium lychee, light pineapple and pine. Finish is slightly resinous, giving a slight drying perception despite a medium body overall. I've always enjoyed my own hazies that end around 1.013 more than a lot of the thicker commercial versions out there, but this one could use a touch more body. Overall, it has a good, although somewhat generic tropical fruit flavor, good drinkability, and I'm really enjoying it.

 

[Genuine]

That looks beautiful!

 

[ihavenonickname]

@couchsending hey great job on the podcast interview!

Can you give us the inside scoop on a few of those teasers you left us with? So what’s your yeast strain harvested from? Is it most similar to LA3? And does BSI keep your yeast for you? How’s that work?

What’s the subtext on the galaxy story? Something about cellar maker or an explanation for why it’s sucked for a few years?

 

[couchsending]

What we use is most similar to Conan but it didn't come from the Alchemist.

I hate LA3 personally. I think it tramples hops compared to other yeasts and it contributes this fake
cake frosting flavor that once you notice it you find it in every beer made with that yeast.

We were granted access to the three highest scoring lots of 2024 Galaxy that are in the US. We've
used two of the three so far. No exact explanation on why it sucked for so long and they're not
really talking about what they're doing differently. I guess it's no longer being grown in Tasmania
and they've significantly narrowed the picking window. I think this was one of the biggest issues. It
became so popular that they actually couldn't harvest it all when it was in it's prime so you ended up
with lots with significantly different pick dates being blended into one lot. One of the lots we have did seem to
have the weird licorice-like character in very small amounts but it seems I was the only one who
could pick it up. Gonna do a single hop Galaxy double IPA here shortly with all 3 lots, interested to
see how it turns out. Dry hopping that single hop pale ale with Aussie Cascade tomorrow. Ferm samples
were pretty bonkers. We'll see about the final beer. Pretty sure only Treehouse and Cellarmaker have
used it in the states. Not 100% sure though.

 

[jordanfrenzy]

I'm finally starting to get my fermenter, transfer, and pH process together. And just my process together for these beers in general. It's resulting in my best versions of these beers so far.

OG 1.082
2 Row
Malted Oats
Spelt

WP - Heavy Mosaic, little bit of Citra and Rakau
DH - Heavy Rakau, little bit of Citra and Mosaic

This beer is drinking very full and almost rich at 1.016 FG. Maybe that's the malted oats? Not really sure why I opted for that over flaked. Something to play with next time. A lot of classic citrus and orange from the Mosaic. I'm not sure what Rakau is bringing here. There's definitely a tiny (enjoyable) touch of southern hemisphere diesel, but you could tell me this was Mosaic/Citra and I'd believe you. I think it'll really hit form in a few weeks.

 

[x22n]

@couchsending What would be the best boil hops for hazies in your opinion? Anything low alpha like cascade or motueka?

 

[Dgallo]

@couchsending What would be the best boil hops for hazies in your opinion? Anything low alpha like cascade or motueka?

I’m interested in what @couchsending will say but I’d be more concerned with the cohumulin % than just overall alpha acids. You can adjust time for total A.A. but Cohumulone is responsible for harsh bitterness so I focus on hops that are low or lower in Cohumulone

 

[couchsending]

So.. I actually did some research on Cohumulone cause I had heard originally it would lead to harsher bitterness. Then I heard that myth had been debunked. But more recently I have heard this statement resurface a few times.

The original study on Cohumulone and bitterness was performed in 1972 and determined to be pretty flawed.

Basically it’s been determined that hops higher in CoH result in a higher level of IBUs in the final beer because they isomerize differently and survive fermentation better I guess??

Soooo it just depends on what you’re after honestly. We’ve started to use these Am Noble hops to build texture more than anything. But again I’m not completely sold on it. I don’t think we’ve pushed the amounts as far as we need to just yet but that more has to do with our kettle design and yield. We’re trying the variety specific Co2 extract and/or moving some incognito out of the WP and into the end of the boil right now to see what impact that might have. If we like the results of this we might try one batch where we move all the vegetative matter to the beginning of the boil via Am Noble and then use nothing but liquid extract to the end. But the goals for these 5% beers are rather different than most “hazy” ipas.

We use Waimea a decent amount if we just want max IBUs from the smallest amount of green matter and don’t want to use extract. It’s the highest alpha hop we usually have in the brewery. Simcoe, Strata, mosaic, all work great too. As does Nelson. I think Riwaka comes through fermentation better than any hop I’ve ever used.

Really there’s no one answer. It just depends on what your goals are. I do think boiling hops is a good thing and leads to a beer with a more interesting flavor and texture that seems to last longer and provide more depth. In general don’t boil hops from Australia, especially Vic Secret.