New here... Have a a couple of questions

[foolsbrew]

lets say i want to bootle tomorrow..

Judging by your first post tomorrow should be the 11th day. It should be done fermenting given you basically fermented it near 30C, but the higher gravity makes me unsure and I would wait at least a few days and take a reading then. It would be careless to bottle it tomorrow. Besides, you have no bottles right now.

I would also let it sit in your cold balcony for a few days before bottling.

Thanks foolsbrew. for complete answers... speialy the sanitizing ones.. I wasnt thunking of dish washer.. thats great idea. thanks...
SOo question.. lets say i want to bootle tomorrow.. is it ok that i clsoe the bottles doors and leave them in dish washer or somwehrre..
and also. can u please find a solution so i use these liquor bottles? maybe if i use less sugar they wont break? also their doors are not that tight anyway.
thanks again

Don't use your liquor bottles. At best it won't work out, at worst you end up in a grave.

The dishwasher method is for sanitizing before filling them. You place the empty bottles in your dishwasher like below

The top half of your dishwasher may not have enough space to fit them.

Make sure you run your dishwasher at 70C. Some dishwashers don't have this option. If the hottest option is only 60C, don't do it and clean them by hand or use the oven.

Once they are out, let them sit there for a few hours before opening it to make sure they dry and cool a bit, then fill them.

You can use PET bottles, but they have to be the stronger ones and it's not really ideal.

Best is beer bottles, but you will also need bottle caps and a way to cap them. You can get used beer bottles from liquor stores for whatever your country has the deposit rate of bottles set at, usually just several cents.

 

[Sistermoon]

Judging by your first post tomorrow should be the 11th day. It should be done fermenting given you basically fermented it near 30C, but the higher gravity makes me unsure and I would wait at least a few days and take a reading then. It would be careless to bottle it tomorrow. Besides, you have no bottles right now.

I would also let it sit in your cold balcony for a few days before bottling.


Don't use your liquor bottles. At best it won't work out, at worst you end up in a grave.

The dishwasher method is for sanitizing before filling them. You place the empty bottles in your dishwasher like below

The top half of your dishwasher may not have enough space to fit them.

Make sure you run your dishwasher at 70C. Some dishwashers don't have this option. If the hottest option is only 60C, don't do it and clean them by hand or use the oven.

Once they are out, let them sit there for a few hours before opening it to make sure they dry and cool a bit, then fill them.

You can use PET bottles, but they have to be the stronger ones and it's not really ideal.

Best is beer bottles, but you will also need bottle caps and a way to cap them. You can get used beer bottles from liquor stores for whatever your country has the deposit rate of bottles set at, usually just several cents.

thanks for the reply. By tomorow it was an example.. i will be bottling in about 10 days.
could u please explain why did you say , at best it wont work out and at worst it will kill me? bottle is bottle, wats the difference?

 

[foolsbrew]

thanks for the reply. By tomorow it was an example.. i will be bottling in about 10 days.
could u please explain why did you say , at best it wont work out and at worst it will kill me? bottle is bottle, wats the difference?

Bottles not made to withstand higher levels of pressure can and will explode. The best case is it's not a perfect seal and it ends up leaking the co2.

 

[Sistermoon]

Bottles not made to withstand higher levels of pressure can and will explode. The best case is it's not a perfect seal and it ends up leaking the co2.

Why do we need Co2?

 

[Tobor_8thMan]

Why do we need Co2?

Well we don't if one enjoys flat beer.

 

[Sistermoon]

Well i managed to find 45 bottles in basement. Hope its enough. Now i need to find caps.. We have a capper. i wont use liquor bottles anymore.
Thanks for suggestion.

 

[Tobor_8thMan]

Well i managed to find 45 bottles in basement. Hope its enough. Now i need to find caps.. We have a capper. i wont use liquor bottles anymore.
Thanks for suggestion.

Normal 5 gallon batch uses 52 12 oz bottles. However, if only have 45 clean and sanitized bottles, then put the rest in a clean and sanitized growler.

 

[Jag75]

Normal 5 gallon batch uses 52 12 oz bottles. However, if only have 45 clean and sanitized bottles, then put the rest in a clean and sanitized growler.

I'm usually at 48 12oz with a 5 gallon batch depending on what it is.

 

[cactusgarrett]

put the rest in a clean and sanitized growler.

Growlers aren't a good format for bottle conditioning either. If the cap doesn't fail, they're also not good with high pressure and are basically just BIGGER bottle bombs waiting to happen.

 

[dwhite60]

Higher alcohol beers really require aging to smooth out before consumption. This can be months. Without aging they can taste "hot" and have quite the alcohol burn but, if that's what you're looking for.....

I use some plastic soda bottles with screw caps. They hold quite a bit of pressure. I have some that are made by Cooper's (Amazon is your friend). Caps on screw tops are reusable many times.

All the Best,
D. White

 

[Sistermoon]

Thanks. This forum is great, many good people trying to help.
I have another problem with siphoning..
Is it necessary ?
I dont have one.. Can i juse use a glass for bottling? I dont have a second barrel or bucket either...
Thanks

 

[foolsbrew]

Thanks. This forum is great, many good people trying to help.
I have another problem with siphoning..
Is it necessary ?
I dont have one.. Can i juse use a glass for bottling? I dont have a second barrel or bucket either...
Thanks

A secondary is not necessary, in fact, better to avoid it.

A hose or a fermenter with a spigot near the bottom is useful. You should get one. A simple food grade hose is enough. You should also look into using gelatin for making sure the beer clears up.

You can slant your container very carefully and pour into a bucket first, leaving the yeast and the trub at the bottom of your fermenter and only pouring in the clearer part. This will however aerate the beer and that's not good.

I would just get one of these buckets with the spigot because that's less of a mess than a hose.

 

[Sistermoon]

A secondary is not necessary, in fact, better to avoid it.

A hose or a fermenter with a spigot near the bottom is useful. You should get one. A simple food grade hose is enough. You should also look into using gelatin for making sure the beer clears up.

You can slant your container very carefully and pour into a bucket first, leaving the yeast and the trub at the bottom of your fermenter and only pouring in the clearer part. This will however aerate the beer and that's not good.

I would just get one of these buckets with the spigot because that's less of a mess than a hose.

Thanks.
So so just to check i understood currectly..
I siphone the beer careftully with a hose into a second bucket which got a spigot and then from spigot to the bottles.
Right?

 

[foolsbrew]

Thanks.
So so just to check i understood currectly..
I siphone the beer careftully with a hose into a second bucket which got a spigot and then from spigot to the bottles.
Right?

If you have a siphon/hose, you just siphon it to each bottle, add sugar to each bottle, and cap it.

If you had a fermenter with a spigot at the bottom like this
you could just add a wand(to avoid aeration) and bottle it from there, which is easier than siphoning.

If you want to go with neither, you can carefully pour it to a bucket first and drain from there, but that's not a good option.

 

[Sistermoon]

If you have a siphon/hose, you just siphon it to each bottle, add sugar to each bottle, and cap it.

If you had a fermenter with a spigot at the bottom like this
you could just add a wand(to avoid aeration) and bottle it from there, which is easier than siphoning.

If you want to go with neither, you can carefully pour it to a bucket first and drain from there, but that's not a good option.

Thank you so much
Last question...
My bottles are 330cc ( 330ml) how much sugar do i need to add for each bottle?
Thanks

 

[foolsbrew]

Thank you so much
Last question...
My bottles are 330cc ( 330ml) how much sugar do i need to add for each bottle?
Thanks

By the way, when filling, place the hose at or near the bottom of the bottle rather than letting the liquid fall from a distance and create bubbles. Working with a hose, you will make some mistakes but try to be careful.
Watch this video,
You can do it with just a hose, but it's more work and easier to mess up.

You can search for priming options. People like their beers at different levels. https://www.brewersfriend.com/beer-priming-calculator/
1.5g of sugar per 33cl bottle will give you 2 vol co2. This is the commonly accepted amount. You can do half a sugar cube or a sugar cube each, each sugar cube being rougly 2-2.5g. I just do a sugar cube for 330ml bottles, but that ends up with slightly more carbonation than most people prefer after 3-4 weeks. I like it, though.

Out of curiosity, where are you from?

 

[Sistermoon]

By the way, when filling, place the hose at or near the bottom of the bottle rather than letting the liquid fall from a distance and create bubbles. Working with a hose, you will make some mistakes but try to be careful.
Watch this video,
You can do it with just a hose, but it's more work and easier to mess up.

You can search for priming options. People like their beers at different levels. https://www.brewersfriend.com/beer-priming-calculator/
1.5g of sugar per 33cl bottle will give you 2 vol co2. This is the commonly accepted amount. You can do half a sugar cube or a sugar cube each, each sugar cube being rougly 2-2.5g. I just do a sugar cube for 330ml bottles, but that ends up with slightly more carbonation than most people prefer after 3-4 weeks. I like it, though.

Out of curiosity, where are you from?

Thanks, and im from Czech republic

 

[dwhite60]

You can get a piece of siphon hose at most any hardware store. Nothing fancy.

5/16" inside diameter clear vinyl tubing.

All the Best,
D. White

 

[CodeSection]

Thanks, and im from Czech republic

***Off Topic*** We bought a Petrof Grand Piano 16-18 years ago which as you already know was 80%+ handmade in the Czech Republic. World class workmanship.... it is worth way more used than what we paid for it new...

Now back on topic/HBT: Welcome to HBT!

 

[AJinJacksonville]

Welcome to the forum Sistermoon! It's been a long time since I've seen so many guys tripping over each other to assist another brewer hahaha. Glad to see you're getting the help you need, all joking aside.

 

[foolsbrew]

Welcome to the forum Sistermoon! It's been a long time since I've seen so many guys tripping over each other to assist another brewer hahaha. Glad to see you're getting the help you need, all joking aside.

I wasn't trying to flirt with anyone on a homebrewing forum lol, but I can tell how it seems on a second look. I asked her where she was from because she failed to convert between cl and ml which is unusual for someone from EU and had 33cl bottles(most EU bottles are 50cl) while clearly having English as a secondary language.

I should probably refrain from spending my afternoons on spamming this forum, I always make a fool of myself one way or another.

***Off Topic*** We bought a Petrof Grand Piano 16-18 years ago which as you already know was 80%+ handmade in the Czech Republic. World class workmanship.... it is worth way more used than what we paid for it new...

Now back on topic/HBT: Welcome to HBT!

it's unfortunate in a way, CZ beers are already decent and that just makes it harder for beginners to make something drinkable(relatively speaking)

You can get a piece of siphon hose at most any hardware store. Nothing fancy.

5/16" inside diameter clear vinyl tubing.

All the Best,
D. White

This

Also, I really like these buckets with spigots. I always pitch to about half the yeast cake, so I don't have to do any cleaning besides cleaning the lid. I fill from the tap with a wand, so I don't worry about the trub getting in or aeration or carrying around a large fermenter. I don't do any cleaning after bottling because nothing spills out whereas it's easy to make a mess with a hose. It really makes life easier. Kegs are good too, but they occupy too much space for my tiny place.

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[Tobor_8thMan]

Growlers aren't a good format for bottle conditioning either. If the cap doesn't fail, they're also not good with high pressure and are basically just BIGGER bottle bombs waiting to happen.

Stainless growler works fine. I've used myself more than once.

 

[Tobor_8thMan]

Take a look at this thread

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/carbonating-in-a-growler.663198/

 

[cactusgarrett]

Stainless growler works fine. I've used myself more than once.

Right, stainless is perfectly fine. But the first thing one likely thinks of when "growler" is used is a glass one. I would imagine that's what OP in her limited brewing experience would. I'm just trying to keep everyone safe.

 

[ncbrewer]

A hose or a fermenter with a spigot near the bottom is useful. You should get one.

If you're using a swamp cooler for temperature control, the fermenter with spigot won't be good.

 

[foolsbrew]

If you're using a swamp cooler for temperature control, the fermenter with spigot won't be good.

Are you talking about submerging the spigot in water? I don't have any issues with it. https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/submerged-fermentor-with-a-spigot.539741/

I haven't done it or used a cooler in god knows how long though. In the winters I do lagers and every other season is cold enough for an ale. I only really need cooling in the hottest part of the summer, and I will either not brew anything or wait for a cold rainy week

 

[Sistermoon]

Thanks again everyone.. Answers were really great.
The reason i want to home brew is because its cheaper and its good to drink what u made yourself u know?
Its my first experience. I prolly didnt snitize alot. so im nto sure if it turns out good or bad. But for sure next time. i will make better, from what ive learned here

 

[Sistermoon]

Hi again.
SOrry for keep comign back...
I managed to get a hose... for siphoning. thats best i could find. could someone please guild me how to make a siphone out of this? I couldnt find a pump. can i somehow make a siphone with this? I know i shouldnt suck. Any alternatives?
Thanks

 

[foolsbrew]

Hi again.
SOrry for keep comign back...
I managed to get a hose... for siphoning. thats best i could find. could someone please guild me how to make a siphone out of this? I couldnt find a pump. can i somehow make a siphone with this? I know i shouldnt suck. Any alternatives?
Thanks

That hose looks like 10mm or 12mm. A 8mm one would be preferred for less aeration, but I guess it's too late now. The proper equipment looks like this https://www.amazon.com/Fermtech-Regular-Siphon-Tubing-clear/dp/B07FZ4484B

It also looks short. It has to be inside the fermenter AND below the bottom of the container(height wise) for a siphon to actually work. I don't know how large your fermenter is but is it long enough? Considering it has to go in the fermenter, and then out, and then to the bottle, is that really like 3 times the length of your fermenter? It could be, I just can't tell.

Anyway, with only a hose... Well, if you suck it real fast for a second and put it away from your mouth before it gets into your mouth, that will be enough. It takes practice to do this though If you were working at a larger scale, you can actually start a siphon by just shaking it but that wouldn't work here. Keep this in mind if you take on farming in the future Really sucking ... ehm, sucks, but you don't have a lot you can do with only a hose.

Once you get a siphon going, you should pinch/twist a section of it near the top(or have a friend do it) to be able to cut off liquid transfer when you are switching to a new bottle. You don't want to be starting a siphon for every bottle.

 

[Sistermoon]

That hose looks like 10mm or 12mm. A 8mm one would be preferred for less aeration, but I guess it's too late now. The proper equipment looks like this https://www.amazon.com/Fermtech-Regular-Siphon-Tubing-clear/dp/B07FZ4484B

It also looks short. It has to be inside the fermenter AND below the bottom of the container(height wise) for a siphon to actually work. I don't know how large your fermenter is but is it long enough? Considering it has to go in the fermenter, and then out, and then to the bottle, is that really like 3 times the length of your fermenter? It could be, I just can't tell.

Anyway, with only a hose... Well, if you suck it real fast for a second and put it away from your mouth before it gets into your mouth, that will be enough. It takes practice to do this though If you were working at a larger scale, you can actually start a siphon by just shaking it but that wouldn't work here. Keep this in mind if you take on farming in the future Really sucking ... ehm, sucks, but you don't have a lot you can do with only a hose.

Once you get a siphon going, you should pinch/twist a section of it near the top(or have a friend do it) to be able to cut off liquid transfer when you are switching to a new bottle. You don't want to be starting a siphon for every bottle.

Thanks again. Yeh its 2 meters. i think its long enough.
I have another question Its been 14 days. i removed the cap to see how is it going. there wasnt really any bubbles anymore. SO i thought maybe fermentation is over. I took a sample to read and it reads.... 1010.. do i need to add more yeast? cuz looks like not much goign on anymore...
Thank you. And please tell me at what reading can i start bottling
Thanks again for your great answers