Need a Manny's Pale Ale clone

[kshuler]

Yes, sorry for the lack of updates. The Manny's clone was good, but not quite like Mannys. I will talk about the 1st batch, which was closest. There is a fruitiness that i think wasn't present in the actual manny's, and it sort of surprised me as I WAY overpitched the batch. Usually this should decrease the amount of esters produced. It was just not as clean as Mannys. I do have to say that I screwed up the mash and when it was too low, I added heat and then way overshot my target. But even with that and 15% crystal, it was not a terribly sweet beer- in this way it tasted about right. Was very nicely balanced, had a great hoppy aroma, BUT, even with so much hops in the 20 minute to 0 minute stages, it had remarkably little hop flavor. The beer was also close to the color, but not quite as dark as Manny's despite my increasing the crystal to 15% over the suggested recipe. It was a very enjoyable brew, but definitely not a clone. I will have to try again after a few other brews. But it has taken me months to get through he 4 kegs (3 of each and one with the leftovers of all three batches mixed together), and I still have the last little bit on tap right now. 18 gallons of beer takes a long time to drink at 1-2 beers per night, especially when it is not the only thing on tap!

Klaus

 

[mendozer]

I'm reviving this thread. I concocted a recipe using the brewery website as well as a few posts on here to make this:

Manny's Clone
American Pale Ale
Type: All Grain Date: 4/2/2012
Batch Size: 5.00 gal Brewer: Kyle M
Boil Size: 5.72 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: My Equipment
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients
Amount Item Type % or IBU
9.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 87.80 %
0.75 lb Caramel Malt - 40L (Briess) (40.0 SRM) Grain 7.32 %
0.50 lb Carapils (Briess) (1.5 SRM) Grain 4.88 %
0.50 oz Magnum [14.00 %] (60 min) Hops 24.5 IBU
0.25 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
0.75 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 11.1 IBU
0.25 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (15 min) Hops 2.4 IBU
0.50 tsp Amylase Enzyme (Primary 3.0 days) Misc
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1.0 tsp
1 pack Yeast Nutrient (Primary 3.0 days)
Wyeast 1275 – Thames Valley Misc



Beer Profile
Est Original Gravity: 1.055 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1.010 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.005 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.34 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.65 %
Bitterness: 37.9 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 7.1 SRM Color:
Color


Mash Profile
Mash Name: My Mash Total Grain Weight: 10.25 lb
Sparge Water: 3.11 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

My Mash
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash Add 15.38 qt of water at 165.1 F 155.0 F

I like using irish moss or whirfloc with the boil. However, this is obviously not going to filter the beer. So it'll still be cloudy. I'll either use the Thames Valley yeast or head down to the brewery and see if I can get a little bit. How much used yeast would you say I'd need to replace a pack of yeast (100 million)?

 

[kshuler]

I don't really know how much is needed to replace 1 pack. I just asked them to fill a growler with yeast and that's exactly what I got. I made sure it was all in solution and just poured "some" into each of my 3 fermentors when I did it. All three of them were making bubbles within about an hour, so I likely added too much. I probably used about a pint of the slurry on each of the fermentors, but this is a guess.

 

[Rhuarc]

I haven't had time to read this whole thread, but can someone summarize if there was an extract recipe created that accurately clones Manny's? This is a beer that I really enjoy and would love to try my hand at.

 

[Soldevi]

mendozer, Did you ever brew this? Has anyone else tried to clone this beer?

We need to get this one close. I'm about to go down there and buy a keg. haha

 

[mendozer]

yeah i did make that to the T and it's pretty good. Not too much bite and the color is just right.

 

[underdog378]

Bringing this back from the dead. After reading most of these posts and seeing the resulting beers, it seemed like color was always a little on the light side. Most all of the clone recipes use 20L or 40L I know Georgetown doesn't say which Crystal malt they use, and instead of asking which they used, I instead made a guess and asked if I was right. I was right! I also asked about the Magnum/Summit change. Here's the response I got:

Hi Jon,

You are correct - we do use C-60 in Manny's.
As far as Magnum goes, we did use it originally. Then there was a time when Magnum was really hard to get, so we switched to Columbus. Columbus wasn't really working though, so we switched again to Summit. When Magnum became more readily available, the brewers decided they preferred Summit to Magnum and it has been Summit ever since.

Good luck with your brew!

Ingrid

I brewed my version of this last month. I don't have access to Summit, so I used Magnum. I believe I came pretty dang close, now I just need to grab a growler of Manny's to do a side by side comparison. I'll post again with some pics once I do that, hopefully next week. Here's the recipe I used. Note: IBUs are off by a little bit, you can adjust hop schedule as necessary to get your recipe to the 38IBUs that Manny's is at.

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.97 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 9.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 43.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 71.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 71.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 83.7 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 9.3 %
12.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.0 %
1.00 oz Magnum [11.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 38.6 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 4.7 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 6 0.4 IBUs
1.0 pkg Thames Valley Ale (Wyeast Labs #1275) [1 Yeast 7 -
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 8 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 10 lbs 12.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 12.00 qt of water at 163.1 F 150.0 F 60 min

 

[kshuler]

I look forward to hearing the results!

 

[mfedak]

I tried Brewtopias recipe, I would increase the 2 row by .5 lbs and change the magnum hops to Summit Per Georetowns website. Also says to use English ale yeast, but hen refers to British, going to use the White Labs WLP002 next time. My $.02

 

[mendozer]

I made this the other year, turned out very good.

Batch 10 gallons.

18 lb 2-row
1.5 lb crystal 40
1 lb carapils
Mashed for an hour at ratio of 1.5qt/lb

1 oz Magnum 14% for 60 min
1.5 oz Cascade 5.5% for 30
.5 oz cascade 5.5% for 15

Used Thames Valley Ale (Wyeast 1275) as a recommendation from Georgetown Brewing.

Dry hopped .5 oz cascade in keg

OG was 1.067 FG was 1.012

Was GOOOOD. And I drink a lot of Manny's here in Seattle so I know what it tastes like.

 

[VipperOfVipp]

Bringing this back from the dead. After reading most of these posts and seeing the resulting beers, it seemed like color was always a little on the light side. Most all of the clone recipes use 20L or 40L I know Georgetown doesn't say which Crystal malt they use, and instead of asking which they used, I instead made a guess and asked if I was right. I was right! I also asked about the Magnum/Summit change. Here's the response I got:



I brewed my version of this last month. I don't have access to Summit, so I used Magnum. I believe I came pretty dang close, now I just need to grab a growler of Manny's to do a side by side comparison. I'll post again with some pics once I do that, hopefully next week. Here's the recipe I used. Note: IBUs are off by a little bit, you can adjust hop schedule as necessary to get your recipe to the 38IBUs that Manny's is at.

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 6.97 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 9.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 43.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 71.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 71.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
9 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 83.7 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM) Grain 2 9.3 %
12.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3 7.0 %
1.00 oz Magnum [11.20 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 38.6 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 4.7 IBUs
0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 1.0 min Hop 6 0.4 IBUs
1.0 pkg Thames Valley Ale (Wyeast Labs #1275) [1 Yeast 7 -
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 8 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 10 lbs 12.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 12.00 qt of water at 163.1 F 150.0 F 60 min

Reviving this old thread, but how did this come out? Since you have access to the original, how close was it?

 

[Bitchin]

Our recipes are so close.

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9.25 Kg Pale 2-row
0.5 Kg Carapils
1.0 Kg Caramel Malt - 60L


0.8 oz Summit (Hop Union) [17.5%] - Boil 60 min
1.0 oz Cascade (Hop Union) [5.5%] - Boil 15 min
2.0 oz Cascade (Hop Union) [5.5%] - Boil 5 min
2.0 oz Cascade (Hop Union) [5.5%] - Dry Hop 7 days


1 pkg Thames Valley Ale (Wyeast Labs #1275) w/ Starter


Mash at 152F. Mash out at 168F. This recipe is based upon 65% efficiency and batch sparging, 51L pre-boil and 42L to the fermenter - adjust for your own brewery. 65F ferment with diacetyl rest at 70F for last 2 points of gravity. Dry hop in secondary at 70F and age cold in keg for 2-3 weeks before tapping.
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[Bitchin]

The website now posts the details. For what it's worth,

Malts - 2 Row Pale, Caramel
Hops - Summit, Cascade
Yeast - English Ale
OG - 1.051
TG - 1.009
ABV - 5.4%
IBU - 38

 

[mendozer]

The website now posts the details. For what it's worth,

Malts - 2 Row Pale, Caramel
Hops - Summit, Cascade
Yeast - English Ale
OG - 1.051
TG - 1.009
ABV - 5.4%
IBU - 38

Interesting on the yeast. The brewer at Georgetown told me to use thames valley as its the closest to what they use. "Almost basically the same" is what he said. Wyeast makes the yeast for them

 

[Bitchin]

Interesting on the yeast. The brewer at Georgetown told me to use thames valley as its the closest to what they use. "Almost basically the same" is what he said. Wyeast makes the yeast for them

Yeah. Thames Valley fits perfectly to get their profile and TG. Specs have changed over the years the way they report it. TG in the 1.009-1.011 range. I can't help but wonder if they've lowered it to boost the hop profile in light of changing tastebuds in hopland.

 

[mendozer]

true. Everyone around here loves shoving more hoppiness down their gullets. I don't get it. I feel like the only Seattleite who despises IPAs. *gasp*

 

[Bitchin]

true. Everyone around here loves shoving more hoppiness down their gullets. I don't get it. I feel like the only Seattleite who despises IPAs. *gasp*

I can equally appreciate the hops though. Just north of you there's a beer from Vancouver BC called Boombox, eh. So hoppy and so delicious. Quite a few of the NEIPA style coming out of that area are stellar. At the same time the thing I can equally appreciate is a well-balanced beer like Manny's. Mac & Jack's is another timeless beer. Moylan's ESB from CA is another.