Multiple outlets from one breaker

[ccfoo242]

I need to power an EVSE charger for my car as well as brew equipment. If I install a 30amp gfci breaker for brewing is it within code to also have an outlet for the charger on that circuit? I wouldn't be using them at the same time and I would only install one outlet but they have different plugs.

 

[itsnotrequired]

i am not aware of an inherent violation with this approach, unless the charging equipment manufacturer's instructions indicated a dedicated circuit with no other outlets.

 

[Terek]

i dont see a problem, but the city recognizes the load as if both things are being used at the same time, even if you will not. Same with gas lines. I have to provide enough gas to run your furnace, water heater, gas range, fireplace, bbq, and dryer if they were to all run at the same time. Like you would ever run all those at the same time

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Like you would ever run all those at the same time

I can see that happening at any home gathering on a fall day.

 

[Bowtiebrewery]

I would be less worried about code on this. What I would say is wire it that way, but then if you choose to move. get rid of one of those outlets. For some reason I feel like its not a violation in code, but whoever buys your house after you will not understand that.

 

[itsnotrequired]

i dont see a problem, but the city recognizes the load as if both things are being used at the same time, even if you will not. Same with gas lines. I have to provide enough gas to run your furnace, water heater, gas range, fireplace, bbq, and dryer if they were to all run at the same time. Like you would ever run all those at the same time

ah, i should have mentioned this. ccfoo, check out 625.40 of the code (2014 edition). the breaker serving the charging station needs to be rated for 125% of the rating of the charger PLUS the load from the brew panel. more than likely, this would exceed 30 amps. if you operate separately, not an inherent danger but technically a code violation.

is this a 240v charger or 120v? a 30 amp circuit implies 240 volt...

 

[poptarts]

I need to power an EVSE charger for my car as well as brew equipment. If I install a 30amp gfci breaker for brewing is it within code to also have an outlet for the charger on that circuit? I wouldn't be using them at the same time and I would only install one outlet but they have different plugs.

every house has tons of 15-20 amp outlets per circuit and thats code I cant see it being different with bigger amperage outlets.

 

[Bowtiebrewery]

I always though you could only load up a circuit for up to 80% ampacity. I might be wrong... so 30 amp = 24 amps... or was it 75%?

 

[ccfoo242]

ah, i should have mentioned this. ccfoo, check out 625.40 of the code (2014 edition). the breaker serving the charging station needs to be rated for 125% of the rating of the charger PLUS the load from the brew panel. more than likely, this would exceed 30 amps. if you operate separately, not an inherent danger but technically a code violation.

is this a 240v charger or 120v? a 30 amp circuit implies 240 volt...

240v. Only 16 amps needed for the charger.

I'll probably just install two breakers. The EVSE breaker doesn't require gfci since the charger has it's own protection (I forget what it's called). And those breakers are cheap.

 

[Terek]

I can see that happening at any home gathering on a fall day.

man, id hate to see your gas bill in the fall, lol. thats like 300,000 btus an hour

 

[Terek]

240v. Only 16 amps needed for the charger.

I'll probably just install two breakers. The EVSE breaker doesn't require gfci since the charger has it's own protection (I forget what it's called). And those breakers are cheap.

i would recommend this. It would suck to be const. resetting the breaker during brew day. I could see it happening if the charger is running at the same time

 

[jeffmeh]

Or install one outlet and make a custom cord from male to that outlet to female of the other.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

man, id hate to see your gas bill in the fall, lol. thats like 300,000 btus an hour

@ ~1020 btu per CF

$3.75 per 1000cf.

That is what, ~$1.10 an hour?

 

[Terek]

@ ~1020 btu per CF

$3.75 per 1000cf.

That is what, ~$1.10 an hour?

wow, you got cheap gas. my bill is over 100$ for 138 CF.

 

[arnobg]

Maybe a silly question, but are you wiring the entire circuit or are you throwing a 30 amp breaker on an existing circuit with wire not rated for the breaker?

 

[Terek]

wow, you got cheap gas. my bill is over 100$ for 138 CF.

and that was for a whole month. Your bill must be like 8 cents a month

 

[ccfoo242]

Maybe a silly question, but are you wiring the entire circuit or are you throwing a 30 amp breaker on an existing circuit with wire not rated for the breaker?

It would be all new wiring. My panel is in the garage so I don't have to run it very far. And I can't fit my car in the garage while I'm brewing so I definitely couldn't charge it at the same time.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

and that was for a whole month. Your bill must be like 8 cents a month

The cost of the gas itself is not the only cost. It is just the only cost they cannot profit from. In addition to there are service fees and delivery fees per decatherm.

Our bill averages about $100 a month and almost everything is gas. Minus the BBQ. But we do use a LOT of gas. Fvcking dryer runs continuously.