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Thats pretty darn neet.

I suppose it's too early to see if the geartrain will stand up to hard-use.. I'd sure like to know how it does over time...

did you put bearings on the main-shaft/etc.. it looks like it, but hard to see in the pic
As promised clearer photos here.

The red gears are new not because the blue ones broke but because I wanted to make sone minor sizing changes to them and I was out of blue filament to print with.

If anyone wants gears made I am happy to share the files and they can get them printed locally, just PM me.

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157RPM 3 Roller Mill

The old motor I had laying around the shop had a little air compressor attached to it...I don't have the tank anymore, but after a few seconds of pressure build up in the hose, it will release a descent puff of air.

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I love that! Steam-Punk grain mill! :D

As for the edging, I went to the local paper/craft store and picked up a couple of plastic binders for school reports.
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I mitered the corners then simply slipped them over the edge. It has lasted for years...

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Cheers!
 
I tried reversing the supply wires to no avail, and asked williams support. Was told it cant be reversed, that it is hard wired for their mill. Perhaps it is the wires between the switch and the motor that need to be reversed?

At any rate, the bottom mount provided a more elegant solution so it was a good problem even if only due to my cluelessness.

As the OP cleverly sorted out how to make the stock rotation work, this is really just informational for anyone else who wants to make the alteration.

The gearmotor sold by Williams (and now MoreBeer too) does indeed reverse and seems to operate fine in either direction (don't know if there is a torque reduction for one or the other tho), however the color codes on the nameplate don't match what's inside the provided switch box as their harness changes wire colors at the coupling, which could cause some confusion. The reverse rotation change is as simple as moving the one mains line from one side of the capacitor to the other, and leaving the other connections as-is. (Red is common, Black/White is the capacitor pair)
I reset mine to run CW as such:
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Those are F1 spade connectors on the cap, I had to replace one to make the new connection.
Not sure why Williams support was being difficult on this matter - perhaps they were just avoiding some perceived liability issue with the end user altering electrical components? (shrug)
I never found any detailed specs for this Kebang motor, so no idea what the torque actually provided is other than the '90 Watt' label. The output at 60Hz is ~216RPM, doing the math from nameplate 50Hz@1350 = 60Hz@1620 / 7.5 gearbox.


I added one of these to my JSP mill this year, though perhaps in an odd way compared to most others here:
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The idea was to keep the system compact and portable by mounting to the stock base with a parallel arrangement using pulleys. (timing belt & pulleys from McMaster) The only assembly issue I ran into was this motor has a 12mm shaft and the mill is 3/8"... and timing belt pulleys don't seem to come in mixed metric/english bore sizes for a given belt type, so extra work with shims to 1/2" was required.
Works so far, no stalls or skipping so the torque must at least be adequate. Now that the motor and layout are proven to work I plan to change the base plate to a larger real wood build - the MDF flexes alarmingly when under load (pulls on the top, so has some meaningful leverage), and arrange a guard/cover.


Sadly, I found out recently that the JSP mill is no more. I was looking into one for one of the friends who taught me brewing in the first place, and Jack wrote back that his shop burned earlier this year and there there is no plan to resume production. Darn shame, as I quite like the mill with it's gear drive option.
-KD
 
Yes all shafts are on bearings. That picture is version 1, when I get a chance I will take a photo of version 2 where I have combined the the bearing blocks into one piece.

As I said the gears survived the first 5kg (11pounds) just fine with no sign of any stress.
I will keep an eye on them, but if they do break it costs me nothing to reprint them. I can always make them wider to distribute the forces (might only need that on the final drive gears as they take the largest torque). I chose herringbone gears because it they have the strength advantage of helical gears (more teeth engaged at any point in time) but they do not impose sideward forces like helical gears do.

Which engineering software did you use to create the gears? I’m loving this idea of yours. Thanks for sharing.
 
I have used solidworks. Happy to share the files I found the original on the net and adapted for myself. Honestly can't remember where I got the original though.
They are done so that you can just enter dimensions into the variables fields to change width, teeth etc. The ganged gears I did using an assembly of two seperate gears to create one stl file.
 
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This is mine. I put it on a board sized to sit on two homer buckets side by side. That way, for really big grain bills I can just pick it up and turn it around to mill into the second bucket. Not a lot of cool innovation, just the Williams motor I got on sale, the Cereal Killer I've been using, a wood board I got from Menards and a 5/8" Delrin cutting board for the riser on the mill.

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Keeping it simple with a drill driven mill - works well for small batches ;-) The shirt sleeve channels the milled grain with a minimum of fuss and dust to the collecting bin.
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A few pictures showing my automated mill.
Filling the hopper, milling and conveying milled grain is initiated by the brewery controller requesting grain from the grain processing system.
The milled grain is conveyed with air for thirty feet into the toy brewery hopper.
Multiple sensors let the system know about any problems or slow downs.
My goal is to upgrade the mill and silos by removing all cables (15) with a wireless system by the end of the year..

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A few pictures showing my automated mill.
Filling the hopper, milling and conveying milled grain is initiated by the brewery controller requesting grain from the grain processing system.
The milled grain is conveyed with air for thirty feet into the toy brewery hopper.
Multiple sensors let the system know about any problems or slow downs.
My goal is to upgrade the mill and silos by removing all cables (15) with a wireless system by the end of the year..

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hah love how overkill this is.
 
A few pictures showing my automated mill.
Filling the hopper, milling and conveying milled grain is initiated by the brewery controller requesting grain from the grain processing system.
The milled grain is conveyed with air for thirty feet into the toy brewery hopper.
Multiple sensors let the system know about any problems or slow downs.
My goal is to upgrade the mill and silos by removing all cables (15) with a wireless system by the end of the year..

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Just guessing...
Mechanical engineer?
 
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I've been milling grain using a DeWalt handheld 20 volt drill since I purchased my Cereal Killer grain mill from Adventures in Homebrewing last year. It isn't terribly inconvenient, but since I brew alone it gets dicey pouring grain while manning the drill at times. I started shopping for a motor and found a Maytag washing machine motor from I'm guessing the 1960s for $25. When I plugged it in for the first time I was amazed at how smooth and quiet it ran.

I crunched the numbers with some help from online calculators and found that in order to slow down the 1725 rpms of the motor to around 200 rpm I'd need either a 12 or 14 inch drive sheave for the mill. The smallest diameter sheave I could find for the ½” bore of the motor was 1-½”. I picked up a 12” sheave on eBay for $44 and a 1-½” sheave from Grainger for $10. I also picked up an adapter for a ⅜” bore shaft to fit a ½” bore sheave. Regrettably, I measured my drive shaft to be ⅜”. Only after the fact did I look up the specs to my Cereal Killer mill and find that the shaft is actually 10mm. That is about .394” as opposed to the .375” I mistakenly measured. So the ⅜” to ½” bore adapter didn't quite fit on the mill's shaft. A metal file and some elbow grease helped me shave off about .02” so the adapter would fit.

Next I started building a station to mount the mill and motor. I found a convenient spot between some shelving and my deep freeze, near my basement brewing setup. I decided it would be nice for it to be on drawer slides so it could be tucked away when not being used and pulled out to place a bucket underneath when milling.

Not knowing a lot about the motor, I hoped I could reverse the polarity to throw the mill in reverse if needed so I picked up a double pole, double throw switch. When I powered it on, despite triple checking the wiring, it unfortunately only goes one way. If I ever get a stuck mill I'll have to turn it off and reverse by hand. Haven't had that problem yet with using a drill so I don't anticipate this happening much if at all.

All in all it was a fun project. Not including the cost of the mill I've got $172 in it which includes the motor, sheaves, belt (I picked up a linked belt from Harbor Freight for $33 which I already like a lot), some lumber and other miscellaneous hardware. For anyone who has a Cereal Killer mill wanting to motorize it be prepared to do some minor metal work unless there's a 10mm to ½” adapter available somewhere that I didn't find in my fairly extensive research.
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I'm drooling over all these tricked out mills. Has anyone looked at using a child's ride on toy car motor & gearbox like this? Really inexpensive vs AC motors & gear reduction. Pro's and con's?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076Q3XTWB/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

From what I can tell they have ratio's ranging from 110-160 or so looking in the 200 rpm range for output. Speed might be easy to control with motor voltage?
 
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I'm drooling over all these tricked out mills. Has anyone looked at using a child's ride on toy car motor & gearbox like this? Really inexpensive vs AC motors & gear reduction. Pro's and con's?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076Q3XTWB/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

From what I can tell they have ratio's ranging from 110-160 or so looking in the 200 rpm range for output. Speed might be easy to control with motor voltage?

From my experience with my kid's power wheels type toys--- these motor won't offer enough torque to be effective milling grain. Just my $0.02! :mug:
 
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I'm drooling over all these tricked out mills. Has anyone looked at using a child's ride on toy car motor & gearbox like this? Really inexpensive vs AC motors & gear reduction. Pro's and con's?

From what I can tell they have ratio's ranging from 110-160 or so looking in the 200 rpm range for output. Speed might be easy to control with motor voltage?

Well, there was this article a while back on HBT.

Cheap DIY Option for a Motorized Grain Mill
 
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