MoreBeer Vs. AHBS

[Otis The Drunk]

My question is, could you offer the 50lb sacks with the $10.00 Surcharge?
You could put it in a box (with less peanuts in the Box )
Maybe test market the idea.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

I guess what I am saying is this... it costs more than 6.99 to ship #40 of grain to Mass.

You are running a business, not a charity.

Therefore logic would dictate that some of the cost of shipping that grain has been added back into the #40 of grain.

If I come into your store and buy that #40 of grain, I am also paying for that shipping cost that is rolled into it, even though it isnt being shipped.

The guy in Mass. is getting a great price all the way around, because you have flat rate shipping, and what shipping cost there is rolled into the cost of the #40 sack of grain is not enough to eat up his savings in shipping, making it more of a value.

Say you add $10 to the cost of the #40 sack of grain to offset the fact that you only charge 6.99 to ship it. If I come into your store to buy the sack, I am still paying that $10, not a good "value" if you will.

The guy in Mass. is essentially paying that $10 that is rolled into the cost of the sack of grain, plus 6.99... so 16.99 over the cost of the grain itself... which is a great value seeing as though regular shipping would be $50.

Morebeer doesnt offer FREE shipping... that cost is spread throughout thier products as a mark up... they arent a charity either, logic dictates that they arent paying for my shipping, they are making it up elsewhere.

The places that give a discount on shipping or free shipping do not just make up somewhere. They make less margin. They may mke some of it up but the free shipping is not a gimmick. I pay UPS about $300,000 a year and I collect about a third of that. Most of that money goes to less margins. Some stores have higher margins then others. You can't assume that all store have the same bottom line margin so they make all of it up somewhere.

Walmart makes 3.6% margin and Target makes 4.3%. Walmart doesn't make it up on you. They have less margin. They make it up in volume.

Forrest

 

[Austinhomebrew]

My question is, could you offer the 50lb sacks with the $10.00 Surcharge?
You could put it in a box (with less peanuts in the Box )
Maybe test market the idea.

That would cost you more per pound.

I have an idea that I will launch after the beginning of the year. You just want a deal on 2 row right?

 

[The Pol]

Forrest, in your previous comparison you showed 100lbs from B3 shipped to Panhandle for FREE... was that a typo? Or is there a way to get 100lbs from B3 shipped for free?

 

[Jaybird]

Forrest, in your previous comparison you showed 100lbs from B3 shipped to Panhandle for FREE... was that a typo? Or is there a way to get 100lbs from B3 shipped for free?

B3 dosen't ship bulk grain for free.
JJ

 

[The Pol]

That is my point... B3 would be much higher in cost.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

Forrest, in your previous comparison you showed 100lbs from B3 shipped to Panhandle for FREE... was that a typo? Or is there a way to get 100lbs from B3 shipped for free?

They sell rahr 2 row for $1.43 per pound that qualifies for free shipping. People seem to prefer the Rahr 2 row over Great Western so that is what the comparison is for all of them.

Forrest

 

[Otis The Drunk]

That would cost you more per pound.

I have an idea that I will launch after the beginning of the year. You just want a deal on 2 row right?

With as much as I brew, a deal on 2-row would be a great thing.
Even with a 10 surcharge in a 50# sack, I break even.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

B3 dosen't ship bulk grain for free.
JJ

You can buy 100 pounds of grain from More Beer and still get free shipping. It just depends how much you want to pay for it.

Forrest

 

[Austinhomebrew]

With as much as I brew, a deal on 2-row would be a great thing.
Even with a 10 surcharge in a 50# sack, I break even.

No surcharges will be added. Not even if you want them.

Forrest

 

[The Pol]

I see, pay the per/lb price and get it shipped for free... OR pay the BULK price and pay shipping. Got it.

I still cant beat .80/lb for Rahr locally and 1.24/lb for Maris locally. Should have looked there earlier. Do most people NOT have a LHBS to buy bulk grain from? And avoid shipping?

 

[Otis The Drunk]

the only way I can beat all the prices is to go to Lubbock and order from the Triple J Brewpub when they do their bulk order, but I have to drive 4 1/2 hours to get there.
I have been trying to get the local feed store to place an order with Cargil for a pallet full (I know pleanty of homebrewers who would jump on this), but at this point I have had no success.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

You do consider your time and gas for comparing price right?

 

[Jaybird]

I see, pay the per/lb price and get it shipped for free... OR pay the BULK price and pay shipping. Got it.

I still cant beat .80/lb for Rahr locally and 1.24/lb for Maris locally. Should have looked there earlier. Do most people NOT have a LHBS to buy bulk grain from? And avoid shipping?

Ya I'm spoiled I pay .50 a # for 2 row and pale ale malt from Northstar Craft Brewery

 

[The Pol]

Hate you Jbird....

 

[Jaybird]

Hate you Jbird....

I hear that alot.....he he he he

 

[The Pol]

You are not spong worthy (SS scruby)

 

[Jaybird]

You are not spong worthy (SS scruby)

LMFAO !!!!! O but maybe I am

 

[Otis The Drunk]

You do consider your time and gas for comparing price right?

Yes I do, That is why I rarely do that... And why I'm trying to get the Local feed store to contact the supplier (they handle other Products) and see about getting a pallet of 2-row. (I know a lot of who would jump on it if it were available)
But have not had any success in that area as of yet.

From a sense of practicality on my part, 50# stretches farther than 40#.

The reason I got into 20 years ago was for two reasons.
1. Cheaper Beer.
2. Better quality beer than I can buy commercially.

With things the way they are, it's getting to the point that neither one is really achieved.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

I will have a deal that will be the best deal for you. Give me until January.

Forrest

 

[budbo]

You do consider your time and gas for comparing price right?

I don't consider time as much as gas (Since nearest LHBS is 1.5 hr drive) but I only go on weekends so that is "my time"

Still waiting on a reply to my email to AHS about my last order, 3 days and counting.........

 

[Otis The Drunk]

I will have a deal that will be the best deal for you. Give me until January.

Forrest

Will do Forest.

 

[Austinhomebrew]

Forward the email to me. [email protected]

 

[budbo]

sent.............................

 

[Sparky]

I feel fortunate to have LHBS that is more entertainment than worrying about value. It is San Francisco Brewcraft on Clement Street in SF. The Griz and the other cast-of-characters there is ALWAYS a spicy experience when picking up supplies.

Sure, you can order online from SF Brewcraft, but if you are in the area, it is pure entertainment.

 

[humann_brewing]

That's great, but they could come here and announce it themselves and they could support the members here with some deals, but they have chosen not to so far.

Well I am certain it was a store only thing and I think it may have only been the Los Altos location too.

But that aside, they don't show up in here to try and gain business or rebuttal against any bickering about their business practices.

If I had a place like AHB, NB or B3 within a 1/2 of me. I would probably be there every weekend and half my paycheck would be gone, so maybe it is good I am 90% internet beer shopping.

 

[humann_brewing]

Ya I'm spoiled I pay .50 a # for 2 row and pale ale malt from Northstar Craft Brewery

You suck.............. so how much will you charge to ship in bulk

 

[Jaybird]

You suck.............. so how much will you charge to ship in bulk

I am heading down to Northstar on Friday to pick up 550# of grain from Shawn :rockin::rockin::rockin:. As far as shipping, I can look into it if you really want to. I would be willing to bet it’s EXPENSIVE. But if you are serious just PM me your address I will check it out for you.
Cheers
JJ

 

[humann_brewing]

I am heading down to Northstar on Friday to pick up 550# of grain from Shawn :rockin::rockin::rockin:. As far as shipping, I can look into it if you really want to. I would be willing to bet it’s EXPENSIVE. But if you are serious just PM me your address I will check it out for you.
Cheers
JJ

No no, I wish I was serious. I need to hold off on that while the SWMBO settles on all that I have got lately. I don't really have a good area to store bulk grain either, my garage is way to hot in the summer and just ugly in the winter.

 

[kahunaman]

Just a followup. I just cancelled my order with morebeer. Over 2 weeks and it hasn't even shipped....

They were fast to cancel, which is good. Fwding order off to AHB.

I had an order in with Morebeer on Dec 3 (they had something on sale I wanted) and an order from AHB on Dec 7. The order from AHB arrived and was brewed already. The order from Morebeer is STILL NOT HERE. - 1 item delayed so they delayed my entire shipment. In OCT I ordered a thermometer from morebeer as part of another order. they shipped the order, but not the thermometer. 2 months later I finally got a refund.

I'm very pleased with AHB - no one is perfect but when I have had issues/problems/questions they got on it immediately and resolved my issue. Morebeer lacks in this.