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El_Borracho said:
Just go to the back of the grocery store and grab a few crates. Don't be an ass about it and take a palate worth of milk crates tonight....spread it out over the next few weeks.. :D The cost is much different in regards to a keg compared to a milk crate. If they cared more about their well-being they would have found a secure place to store them.

Yea just steal a few at a time themn it isnt stealing :confused:
 
spazus_maximus said:
If you need & cant afford..by all means take...If you can afford... you should pay.

I will say if i or my kids are hungry....I will steal so we can eat....If i Have money i will pay.....Ya just never know unless you have been there.....peace
I understand what you're saying, spaz, and for the most part I think people would forgive extreme behaviour in name of survival but I question whether that is ever necessary. I had a neighbour who had the attitude that everyone should give him things because he was poor. He was poor because he was a lazy idiot. Granted he collected welfare instead of stealing for a living, but saying you should take what you need because you have no money is a false dichotomy.

There are churches, soup kitchens, day work, begging, etc. All are a better options than stealing. I too found myself destitute for a short period of time. I wasn't homeless, but I had no money for food. What I found was a centre where you show up at 6:00 AM and wait for day labour. It was crappy work but they paid you half your day's wage (minimum wage of course) at the end of each day and saved the rest for a paycheque at the end of two weeks. I held my dignity and worked for my food. The crisis passed and I got back on my feet without selling my soul.

Stealing is almost always a choice where other options are either rejected or not explored. In fact, I would guess that most stealing isn't subsistance theft anyway. I believe drug dependancy drives most of it. It would be cheaper for us to just supply pharmaceutical drugs to the addicts until they're ready to get off them. But that's another subject.
 
Fingers said:
I understand what you're saying, spaz, and for the most part I think people would forgive extreme behaviour in name of survival but I question whether that is ever necessary. I had a neighbour who had the attitude that everyone should give him things because he was poor. He was poor because he was a lazy idiot. Granted he collected welfare instead of stealing for a living, but saying you should take what you need because you have no money is a false dichotomy.

There are churches, soup kitchens, day work, begging, etc. All are a better options than stealing. I too found myself destitute for a short period of time. I wasn't homeless, but I had no money for food. What I found was a centre where you show up at 6:00 AM and wait for day labour. It was crappy work but they paid you half your day's wage (minimum wage of course) at the end of each day and saved the rest for a paycheque at the end of two weeks. I held my dignity and worked for my food. The crisis passed and I got back on my feet without selling my soul.

Stealing is almost always a choice where other options are either rejected or not explored. In fact, I would guess that most stealing isn't subsistance theft anyway. I believe drug dependancy drives most of it. It would be cheaper for us to just supply pharmaceutical drugs to the addicts until they're ready to get off them. But that's another subject.

I would have to agree with you....unfortunately I have been reading too much classic russian literature which has left me somewhat detached from todays society...Your correct America is way too wealthy for anyone to steal. This is kind of interesting as my truck was broken into today....they/he/she stole a laptop,cd's & my smokes!..Now if they were hungry & didnt know what else to do...I forgive them wholeheartedly....On the otherhand if they were fienden for their dope & knew it was wrong... its a whole different story.....
 
spazus_maximus said:
I would have to agree with you....unfortunately I have been reading too much classic russian literature which has left me somewhat detached from todays society...Your correct America is way too wealthy for anyone to steal. This is kind of interesting as my truck was broken into today....they/he/she stole a laptop,cd's & my smokes!..Now if they were hungry & didnt know what else to do...I forgive them wholeheartedly....On the otherhand if they were fienden for their dope & knew it was wrong... its a whole different story.....

They didn't get any milk crates? Sorry...Just had to....I'm sorry for your loss.
 
Fingers said:
Well, the milk we typically drink has been specially formulated to grow healthy baby calves not humans. If you're talking about human breast milk I'd have to agree. In either case, it's not for adults.

I love me some breast milk! But you're right a baby calf goes from 40lbs at birth to 400lbs in a year or two off of just milk. I use it for cheap calories and steady protein. I would as far as to say Cow's milk is not for Humans. We're the only species on earth who lives off of another species milk. We inject hormones into the cows so their bodies think they need to lactate for their offspring, we stick em on to a pump and collect the sweet supple goodness. Kind of gross, and I used to be a vegetarian.

spazus_maximus said:
If you need & cant afford..by all means take...If you can afford... you should pay.

I'll agree to that. But I also very much agree with Fingerz, everyone has options.


I noticed someone posted about Pepsi and Cookies, I actually like my Oreos with Pepsi. Gives me the ****tles though.

/would rather not stir the **** anymore
 
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