American Pale Ale Kona, Fire Rock Pale Ale (AG Clone)

[bink00]

Thanks so much for the recipe. I have brewed this (well with some slight mods) 6 times now and loved it everytime. My neighbors are always asking if I have it on tap. Anyways im an extract brewer and can only boil 3 gallons. So here is what I came up with in BrewTarget for a 5 gallon batch. I hope its ok if I post this here!


3# Extra Light DME @ 60mins
3# Extra Light DME @ 5mins
1# Amber DME @ 5mins
14oz Caramel/Crystal #20 for steeping @ 20mins at 154 (Ive done 150-160 and never noticed a difference)

0.50 oz Centennial [9.50%] (60 min)
0.50 oz Cascade [7.80%] (40 min)
0.25 oz Cascade [7.80%] (30 min)
0.25 oz Cascade [7.80%] (20 min)
0.25 oz Cascade [7.80%] (10 min)
0.50 oz Mt Hood [3.70%] (5 min)

Dry Hop with .5oz centennial


I played around with the hop additions trying to get close to OP's numbers. This came out at with a color of 6.5 and IBU of 36.1 in the software...Its been a few years since I have had the original, but I remember I loved it. This is a great beer and my favorite homebrew that I have ever made. I hope this helps someone out...the additions may have totally changed the profile of the beer, but since Im a noob I dont really know!

When comparing the picture of the actual beer in BierMunchers post mine is darker...maybe because of the extracts?? Maybe next time I make it I will send a bottle off to someone who has brewed the All Grain version of this and give me some tasting notes.

Anyways, Thanks BierMuncher for the recipe!! I love it!

 

[natewv]

Hey folks, my next batch will be my 10th (oooOOOooohh!) and my 3rd AG. I only have equipment 1) for 5-6 Gal batches, and 2) for BIAB. I think I'm doing a Loose Cannon clone and another Gumballhead clone before this one, but I'd like to buy everything now.

Two questions...
1) Can i just cut this recipe in half, and more specifically what is the proper process to scale a recipe in general? I use brewtarget right now, but I don't use it very well at all...in fact I suck at brewing software because I don't really know what I am trying to do or vary when I use it.

2) How would you change the recipe considering BIAB? Not at all?

 

[BierMuncher]

Two questions...
1) Can i just cut this recipe in half, and more specifically what is the proper process to scale a recipe in general? I use brewtarget right now, but I don't use it very well at all...in fact I suck at brewing software because I don't really know what I am trying to do or vary when I use it.

Cutting a recipe in half is just fine. It's the easiest approach if you don't want to use software to scale it. Note your efficiency though. Efficiency on a 10-gallon batch is generally lower than on a 5 gallon batch.

 

[natewv]

Cutting a recipe in half is just fine. It's the easiest approach if you don't want to use software to scale it. Note your efficiency though. Efficiency on a 10-gallon batch is generally lower than on a 5 gallon batch.

I'm probably asking in the wrong thread here, but I have no clue how I am supposed ot go and measure my efficiency. ha

 

[zeekage]

Brewing 5 gallons of this tomorrow as my first full AG brew with my new cooler mash run and 9 gal brew kettle. Can't wait for it to be ready to drink. Looking forward to this one for sure.

 

[zeekage]

Here's a good read on efficiency. http://www.beersmith.com/blog/2008/10/26/brewhouse-efficiency-for-all-grain-beer-brewing/

This is a popular calculator I guess too. If you use beersmith and put your numbers in at the end of the brew it'll calculate your efficiency for you as well.

http://www.tastybrew.com/calculators/gravity.html

 

[bink00]

I just racked a little over 5.5 gallons of the all grain version of this recipe to my fermentor. It was my first all grain ever and a first on my new electric keggle with BIAB. Ive made the extract version of this with a few adjustments many times and its my favorite beer and I cant wait for this to be done!.

It has an awesome color (the extract version was darker as expected). I hit a 1.052 OG. I guess I messed up using the biabcalc and came out with way to much boil volume and had to boil for 2.5 hours. But I didnt start the hop additions until the last 60 minutes. The hydrometer sample tasted amazing!!!

Its funny that the first 3 recipes I will be doing on my new setup are Biermunchers...

 

[BierMuncher]

Its funny that the first 3 recipes I will be doing on my new setup are Biermunchers...

Funny how? Funny ha ha? Do I amuse you?.

Glad to hear it. Let us know how they turn out.

 

[edroberts]

This should get you close

4.5# Extra Light DME
2# Marris Otter
1.5# Munich
.75# Honey Malt

.50 Oz Centennial (60)
.25 Oz Cascade (40)
.25 Oz Cascade (30)
.25 Oz Cascade (20)
.25 Oz Cascade (10)t
.25 Oz Mt Hood or Hallertau (5)

Dry hop secondary with .5 Oz Centennial for 7 days.

Stupid question... but would a 5 gallon partial mash recipe only contain 1/2 oz of Centennial, 1/2 oz of Cascade and 1/8 of Mt. Hood? The AG recipe has twice the hops. Or is this PM recipe already scaled for 5 gallon instead of 11?

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Nevermind, if I looked at the total grain bill, it was pretty obvious. Anxious to try this for my first partial mash.

 

[brodacious]

I'm pretty sure I blew it...

I brewed up the extract version posted without altering on Sat, only I did it for a 5 gallon batch. The posted version is for the same 11 gallon yield as the AG version?

I was thinking of cutting it with water and hoping for the best.
Any chance it will turn out OK without adding water?
I'm thinking the yeast will have problems...
My OG was 1.13

Any help would be appreciated!

 

[usfmikeb]

I would take a wine whip and mix it up real good, and then split it in half and top each half off. Then I'd plan on some dry hopping to compensate for the IBUs lost due to the higher gravity boil.

 

[bink00]

I just kegged my first all grain batch of this recipe. the hydrometer sample has a plastic taste to it. I looked back thru my notes and I dont see where I added campden tablets. Oh well...it still tastes good, and its still gettin' drunk!

 

[brewinginCO]

BierMuncher,

This one's been in the primary for about 2 weeks, and fermentation looks about done. I've got a question about how you dry hop and cold condition. Do you dry hop in the secondary at cooler temperatures? Or do you dry hop in the primary, and then cold condition? And what temp do you use for the cold conditioning.

 

[kapbrew13]

BierMuncher,

This one's been in the primary for about 2 weeks, and fermentation looks about done. I've got a question about how you dry hop and cold condition. Do you dry hop in the secondary at cooler temperatures? Or do you dry hop in the primary, and then cold condition?

You could dry hop in keg with whole leaf in a bag . Also I liked this without the dry hop.

 

[brewinginCO]

I bottle, so I've got to either dry hop in the primary or secondary. My original plan was to dry hop in secondary, but then got concerned how cold temps will affect the dry hop results.

 

[kapbrew13]

I bottle, so I've got to either dry hop in the primary or secondary. My original plan was to dry hop in secondary, but then got concerned how cold temps will affect the dry hop results.

I dry hop in the primary but I hear that's a no no. It works for me. : )

 

[BierMuncher]

I secondary at room temp. I also dry hop in the secondary. Just a preference that has worked very well for me. I find that dry hoping in the primary... Between the trub, huge yeast cake and the hop sludge... Is just a little too messy for me.

 

[brewinginCO]

Sounds good, thanks for your reply. This came out great the first time I made it a year ago. I've made many upgrades to my brewery since then, so I'm looking forward to this batch.

 

[seminoleAle]

Brewed this weekend. Did a 5 gal all grain. Fermenting at 66. Looking forward to this one.

 

[Chris7687]

Hey guys, bought the ingredients today! Same grain bill as BM but a substitution on the hops Cenntenial for Amarillo and a sub. on the yeast US-04 for Kolsch. I am making it this weekend (BIAB) and will give you all an update then. I added an extra pound of Marris Otters for better efficiency, still trying to fine tune my BIABing.

 

[pvtschultz]

Boy I forgot all about the nuances of the Wyeast Kolsch yeast. I mashed in the first effort way too high for whatever reason and I had to re-cock and try again (luckily Northern Brewer is only 5-6 blocks away). I nailed my numbers the second round and put 5 gallons in the fermenter. I broke my flask the night before making a starter so I ended up doing a 2 liter starter in a jug instead of on a stir plate. It didn't matter, fermenting at 68 degrees resulted in a volcano less than 24 hours later. I hooked up a blow-off tube and she's chugging away now. I really liked how this one smelled going in so I can't wait to give it a try in 5-6 weeks.

 

[Strangelove]

Wow! This one's a crowd-pleaser. Nicely toasty/malty but with a good hoppy zing. Definitely the best AG I've done to date. I love it, SWMBO loves it. Not going to last...sigh.

 

[seminoleAle]

Tastes great. Starting dry hop after 2.5 weeks primary. Finished at 1.06.

 

[SkyHighBrew88]

Brewing this tomorrow! Got my Wyeast 1007 starter stirring now...

 

[davis119]

I haven't tried this from the store yet. I always go for the kona coconut brown instead.

Hey biermunch any chance you can created a clone for that?

 

[seminoleAle]

Brewing this tomorrow! Got my Wyeast 1007 starter stirring now...

<img src="https://www.homebrewtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=58572"/>

How did you build your stir box?

 

[SkyHighBrew88]

Pretty simple pine box from Michael's, $2 90mm computer fan, & a pack rare earth magnets online. I also had a low voltage (7.5V) charger I stripped to power the fan. I get about a 3/4 inch dimple in the wort, agitates enough for me. I love not having to go by & shake the thing all day.


Screws were covered with JB Weld for wood and sanded. Needs paint I think...



Simple inner guts



Where the fan and magnets meet the underside lid of the box.

 

[davis119]

Looks like it should play music when u open it.
Nice job. I need to make one......

 

[pvtschultz]

Well BierMuncher, you've done it again. This and your Centennial Blonde recipes have been two of my very favorite ales to date and I'm going to put this one right back in rotation. I had some crush related efficiency issues and ended up with a bit lower gravity than I had hoped, but nonetheless the flavor and hops strike a perfect harmony and my batch has only been in the bottle for 10 days. Another week should really let this beer shine!

 

[seminoleAle]

Kegged and tasting good.