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how soon would an infection show itself if it is there? this is kegged and carbed and bottled. overcarbed to help with the loss to bottling. im just curious when i should test one for infection. i want to keep a 6er to check 6 months to 1 year from now to monitor the aging of beers.
 
There's really no "Infection timeline." Some are late onset and may not develop until months down the line, some may occur in a few weeks.

Or more than likely not at all. :D

In the Dec 07 Zymurgy Charlie Papazian reviewed bottles of homebrew going back to the first AHC competition that he had stored, and none of them went bad, some had not held up but most of them he felt were awesome...We're talking over 20 years worth of beers. None were infected at all.

Me personally I believe the longest homebrew I have tasted was about 2 yearsing the other one. No problems at all.

But seriously, why worry so much about infections? Focus on making great beer, make sure you sanitize, and enjoy the hobby :mug:

You all have to remember it really is hard to ruin your beer.

And infections RARELY happen to the new brewers who are so paranoid that they think the mere looking at their fermenters will induce an infection.

Most of the time on here the beer in question is not infected. It's just a nervous new brewer, who THINKS something is wrong when in reality they are just unused to the ugliness that beer making often is.

It creates sort of like the hypochodria that med students often get when they start learning about illness, they start to "feel" it in themselves.

There is a lot of info here on "infections" https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/has-anyone-ever-messed-up-batch-96644/

This is one of the best posts on the subject....

If you pitch enough viable, healthy yeast to do their job, it's hard to contaminate your brew to the point it isn't drinkable. Trust me, I've had an infection in my brewery, and I had to work really hard to get it! :D In my case, it was on the fourth generation of re-using yeast which I had not washed properly (I was still a n00b back then). Every time you reuse yeast you are growing the level of contamination by 100-1000x, so I learned the hard way you have to be very careful going beyond 1 or 2 re-uses of yeast.

BUT A new brewer following sanitary procedures using new equipment is very unlikely to have ruined beer. The worst thing that may happen is your beer will go sour after 4-6 months of room temperature storage. I doubt your beer will last that long. :rolleyes:

You'll find that since beer has been made for millenia even before anyone understood germ theory, that even just the basic fact that we have indoor water, clean our living spaces and ourselves regularly and have closed waste systems, and a roof over our heads, that we are lightyears ahead of our ancestor brewers.

And despite the doomsayers who say that ancient beer was consumed young because it would go bad, they forget the fact that most of those beers were usually HOPLESS, and that the biggest reason hops were placed in beers was for it's antisceptic/preservative function.

So even if the beer had to be consumed young, it still must have tasted good enough to those folks most of the time to survive culturally for 4,000 years, and not go the way of pepsi clear or new coke. I'm sure even a few hundred or thousands of years ago, people were discerning enough to know if something tasted good or nasty...

Go take a look at my photo walkthrough of Labatt's first "pioneer" brewery from the 1840's https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f85/labatt-pioneer-brewery-128740/

Wood fermenters, open cooling pans, open doors, cracks in the logs and beams letting air in, and not one bottle of starsan in sight. :D

The way I figure even just having some soap and water, basic 21st century hygiene, and a basic understanding of germ theory trumps how it was done from Gilgamesh's time through Louis Pasteure's....

In most places we don't have to even worry about boiling our water before drinking it. :D

Best advice I have for new brewers, If you brew from fear, you won't make great beer!

You might make drinkable beer, or you might make crap...but until your realize that your beer is much hardier than you think it is, you will find that this is much more enjoyable of a hobby.

But infection worry, It is NOT something we have to freak out about, like new brewers do...It's just something to be AWARE of and keep an eye out.

But it's kinda like when you have a brand new car, you park at the far end of the lot away from everyone else, you are paranoid about getting every little scratch on it...Then you are backing out of the garage and take off a mirror, or get a ding on the bumper, then you no-longer stress out about it, because you've popped the cars cherry...If you do pick up a bug, you just treat it and move on.

And the reason I have collected THESE stories is to counter the fear and fear mongering that often happens.

So rather than looking for infections under every bed or in every brew closet, focussing from fear on the negative, I think it's better to look at examples of just how hard it is to screw up our beer, how no matter what we can do to screw up, it still manages to turn out fine.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/wh...where-your-beer-still-turned-out-great-96780/
 
well i'm really more interested in critiqing my bottling procedure. up until this point, i have made a 100 gallons perfectly great. but i only keg my beer. now im intrigued by stories of year+ bottled meads, barley's, and belgians, or to share via mail some fine brew. so what better way to practice then to take some so-so RIS and bottle some of it before you drink it all?

it seems in a month or so if there is no sign of off-flavor, my method is sound. awesome!
 
it seems in a month or so if there is no sign of off-flavor, my method is sound. awesome!

For the most part yeah....BUT gravity has a lot to do with it....

A mild with a low og may be more more touchy than a 1.090 RIS and may get an infection after 1 month, whereas the ris may have had the same micro-organism invading the beer, but since the alcohol content is so high, it is not affected by it...or may not be for 1 year...but may deveop something 1 year and 1 day later.

Like I said there's no timeline, and no way for there to be one, since there are way too many variables to look at...

But generally speaking, if you don't slack on your sanitization procedures then you shouldn't have an infection. It's that simple, it's no gaurentee.....But like I said it is very hard to ruin your beer. :mug:
 

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